I quote myself, because meanwhile my question is answered: again a damaged car and again the same person causing it.Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac
During the race I really didn't realize the hit was so hard..
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I quote myself, because meanwhile my question is answered: again a damaged car and again the same person causing it.
During the race I really didn't realize the hit was so hard..
You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse
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A true Ferrari-supporter supports BOTH drivers.
I am an Alonso-fan, but I will never speak bad of Felipe. He is Fernando's teammate and he does his very best. That things go wrong time after time this year is almost every time caused by external factors. The man is a great person and a great driver.
You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse
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I didn't know that super secret, one can not drive F1 car on 3 wheels?! Thank you for enlightening me! To continue being sarcastic, like you, back in 1998, SPA, Michael drove his Ferrari on 3 wheels pretty fast, and it was raining also.
Don't judge people, and base on what you are judging others? Just to answer your question. This is not my first F1 season. I am watching it since 1985. But who are you that I need to justify myself of how big and supportive Ferrari fan I am?
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So for someone who has been watching F1 since 1985, surely you can come up with a better way to back up your Felipe bashing? Or was it just more of that mindless Felipe bashing which we have all grown so used to on this forum?
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Michaels Ferrari was truly on three wheels then - and it was not fast, but I suppose it was faster then a car on three wheels and a flat...
It is quite clear to us what type of Ferrari fan you are.....so no need to justify yourself. Just bear in mind that both drivers are in fact part of Ferrari.
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About Michael Ferrari I was cynical. I don't know if it is clear to you and others what type of Ferrari fan I am. I am the one that support TEAM. And yes I know that both drivers are part of Ferrari, meaning TEAM. And when one is not performing quite well for quite a long period of time, than TEAM have a problem. He is week link in chain. This now sound stupid, because in this year "chain", the only strong link is Fernando. So as a supporter of TEAM I am cheering equally both drivers, but one level of performance is not good enough. With crashes or not...
Anyway I don't want to take this further than it has to be. I will finish now, for the sake of "peace in house".
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That sounds as if you don't think much of Alonso either. Is there anything about Ferrari you like?
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And yet when I ask you to back up your Felipe bashing, you conveniently ignore the post.
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Everybody knows that Felipe pays Lewis to hit him at some point during the race so that he can pretend that the car's performance has been affected and thus "take it easy" for the rest of the race.
The fee varies of course. After Monaco it was a set of steak knives. After Singapore it was a pair of infeasibly large sunglasses and an pair of Sennheiser S-120 noise-cancelling ear studs* (as worn this week-end) and rumours are that his "fee" for today's performance will be a pair of vision impairing "union jack" contact lenses and a fully installed "in-cap ghetto blaster" that goes "La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!" very loudly when someone points out that he drives like Mr Bean with leg cramp instead of a PROPER F1 DRIVER
Rant Over!
* to block out the criticism
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
bonne chance Charles
Everybody knows that Felipe pays Lewis to hit him at some point during the race so that he can pretend that the car's performance has been affected and thus "take it easy" for the rest of the race.
The fee varies of course. After Monaco it was a set of steak knives. After Singapore it was a pair of infeasibly large sunglasses and an pair of Sennheiser S-120 noise-cancelling ear studs* (as worn this week-end) and rumours are that his "fee" for today's performance will be a pair of vision impairing "union jack" contact lenses and a fully installed "in-cap ghetto blaster" that goes "La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!" very loudly when someone points out that he drives like Mr Bean with leg cramp instead of a PROPER F1 DRIVER
Rant Over! * to block out the criticism
Forza Jules
bonne chance Charles
I am just so so sick of Ramilton. I wish he would go and play with Michael who would not be as kind as Felipe-----he needs a ginormous dose of his own medicine.
Forza Jules
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No, I am not ignoring the post, I had other things to do... Results speaks from them self in last 3 years...
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You misunderstood me deliberate or not? OK. I don't need to defense myself about am I, or am I not true Ferrari fan. And to answer your question. YES. There is plenty of things that I like. As each supporter loves his beloved team. That doesn't means that one can not criticize them.
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its the fact that you are running "bashing" Felipe when it isnt his fault, been the innocent party. Singapore and today he could of finished higher up. End of day, it hasnt been good season for him, but to bash him and run him down, when should be supporting and wanting him to turn it around and have good result that he is well deserved. Im not telling you how to support, but, what you have posted isnt sounding 100% full support of the WHOLE team. He is a big part of the Ferrari team, Ferrari family. Like it or not mate, he going to be there next year. I support the team first and drivers second. But, if 1 or both are not firing all guns i will never run them down or shout sack him he not performing well.
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Like what results? Losing the world title by 1 point in 2008, then whooping Kimi in 2009 up until his accident despite having that awful car? And then coming back at the start of 2010 to be immediately put in the same car as the fiercest competitor in the grid, alongside whom anyone would be made to look ordinary?
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No, you don't have to defend yourself as a Ferrari supporter but based on the reaction you have received from several posters in regard to your original rant about one of Ferrari's drivers, i'd say it's clear that you need to defend the fact that you want to sack him because several people want to know why and for you to back up your argument with facts and not just emotion.
I think we are all waiting for you to explain exactly which results you mean and who (realistically) you think could do a consistently better job with the equipment at the moment.
"Luna faccia schiaffo testa"
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Since the accident in Budapest in 2009, and loosing WDC in last race in 2008, he has been different person. I don't find him strong enough like he was, for example when he was driving with Michael. At that time, I would say that Massa had better driver, but it is always hard to compare drivers, as a team mate in Michael than it is with Alonso. Not saying that Alonso is not great driver. He is. But he is regularly better positioned than Massa. He is always pulling that little more from car than Massa is doing. How come? Massa was there when great Michael was driving and winning five consecutive titles. Has he learned something from him? As I remember he was good at that time. He was beating Michael couple of times. It is hard to drive when is raining. Couple of them are real maestros. Massa definitely not! Remember British GP from couple a years ago? He had like 10 spins in one single race?!?!? How can remember everything. Any way, yes I confess I am little carried away with emotions, because we are collecting bigger points (podiums) with just one driver! Massa is really nice guy, and I like him, but he is a different driver now than he was before accident in Budapest in 2009.
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ah the old he can't drive in the wet myth, how about his win at Brazil 2008? forgotten in time......
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Also wasn't Michael's last title with Ferrari back in 2004? Don't remember Felipe being with the team then.......
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bonne chance Charles
You are right you get carried away with emotion and in so doing you like to exaggerate. It was 5 spins when he was on completely the wrong tyres!!!! Hamilton had a similar race the following year in China (I think) but that has all been forgotten about but the Massa saga lives on----it gets quite tiring really.
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...and China 2009, Fuji 2007 etc.
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fun fact. his last podium was in the wet in Korea last year,
and he was outperforming Alonso in Canada before having to go on the wet to pass HRT
In Stefano Domenicali, we have a team boss who has proved to be a leader. - Luca diMontezemelo
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maybe cause Alonso had been taken out by Button
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I just got to see the replay of the race..I didnt look at the results today so I could enjoy the race...
A pretty good race at a great track...one of my favs...
I want to congratulate Vettel for his 2nd WDC..He's a likable lad and a great racer.
Great drive by Alonso to get 2nd, Great result for Ferrari!!!
Button did a good race, he is becoming the numero uno driver at mac...which is ok w/me..getting tired of
watching lh run into Felipe.
Shue did pretty good..Perez should find a top drive soon..he is going to be good.
Again I have to see Felipe's race compromised by the almost has been lewis h. This guy, lh, is becoming unraveled n fast...he's driving strange,
he's looking strange, and appears to have a problem getting passed by Felipe especially...Felipe had him and wouldve had a much better race
had not lewis yet again, ran into him...this is becoming a regular part of every race....but enough of him...
I dont know why, but yet again I come to this world famous Ferrari site, and read unhappy peoples remarks, criticizing just about everything Ferrari does..
Im especially tired of the cruel remarks being made about Felipe, and you posters know who you are.....I want to come here an celebrate Ferrari, not read drivel
by unhappy people who would complain even if Ferrari finished 1-2 at every race. DO you complain about everything? Sure its ok to criticize, but please do so in
a tad less cruel manner, especially about my team and its drivers. N please dont retort to this, I know who the nasty posters are, n Im simply going to disregard your posts.
Again, congrats Seb on your 2nd WDC...n GO FERRARI!!! Good race guys.
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I know,I know but for Stefa that is not enough. Let's face it , he is a fan of the team but doesn't like the people in it....
You can run like the wind, but you'll never outrun the Prancing Horse
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Well please with both drivers today Alonso Driver of the day for me and Massa deserves a mention not bad considering Ramilton nearly took him out AGAIN!! The only Pole Hamilton deserves is Massa's right fist! Rant over lol
If Ferrari keep improving the car this year it will be a good base for next year i hope they give our boys the fastest or evenly matched car with others next year the drivers will both show them all how to drive
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As a matter of fact of the last race, Massa got a puncture and had to complete almost one full lap at a very slow speed and lost a lot of ground - and he had an extra stop to change the tires as well. Hamilton, even with his DT, still rejoined ahead of Massa just after the accident.
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Yeah, yeah... I am the bad guy here... All of this went further than it should.. I started it, and I will finish it. I am apologizing if somehow I have insulted someone with my comments about Massa. And for your comment that I don't like people in team... Hmmmm... Let's take it this way, people come and go, but team is there forever. Thank God MS was driving for Ferrari and made those glorious years for TEAM. Hoping that current line up will do if not the same, than at leas half of it!I know,I know but for Stefa that is not enough. Let's face it , he is a fan of the team but doesn't like the people in it....
Once again apologize for comments about Massa.
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No hard feelings.
Let's not forget that it's the people that make the team. Personally, I've got no preference between our two drivers, I like Alonso and Massa both equally, because they're both driving for Ferrari. It's easy to sometimes overlook how good Alonso really is, when comparing him to his team mates. He has been dragging that Ferrari far higher up than where it should be performance wise, and as I've said before, there's not a lot of other drivers on the grid currently who has that capability.
Just look at Red Bull, they've had the fastest car all season, easily, and yet Webber is being absolutely thrashed by Vettel. Alonso and Button, in slower cars, are currently higher in the Championship than Webber.
So it's all about perspective. Let's first see Ferrari make a ridiculously fast car, and then we can criticise Felipe if he is not performing.
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I am glad we solved this. I overreacted...No hard feelings.
Let's not forget that it's the people that make the team. Personally, I've got no preference between our two drivers, I like Alonso and Massa both equally, because they're both driving for Ferrari. It's easy to sometimes overlook how good Alonso really is, when comparing him to his team mates. He has been dragging that Ferrari far higher up than where it should be performance wise, and as I've said before, there's not a lot of other drivers on the grid currently who has that capability.
Just look at Red Bull, they've had the fastest car all season, easily, and yet Webber is being absolutely thrashed by Vettel. Alonso and Button, in slower cars, are currently higher in the Championship than Webber.
So it's all about perspective. Let's first see Ferrari make a ridiculously fast car, and then we can criticise Felipe if he is not performing.You said it right. I also don't have preference between drivers. They are team. But to be able to win WCC, both needs to contribute. Alonso is doing same what Michael was doing in at the end of 90'. Pushing car to to very limit, and getting that little extra what their team mates cannot do. Then their team colleagues look bad... Ferrari need to produce great car, something like F2002 or even better F2004. Those were the days...
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