Alonso - I give up!!!!!

[Poltergeistes]

For some reason what worries me most, even more than having a great car next season, is not team orders, but the strategies.

Maybe my memory is a little bad, but i feel like in alot of races this seasons, both drivers after their pitstops would loose positions rather than gaining, of course keeping in mind that when you stop other cars goes by but those cars will also have their pitstop, it just feels that almost never we make it work in a way that puts our drivers in front of the competition, the car that they were really racing agaisnt right in front of them.

Maybe someone else has another view, i hope I'm wrong and these are just conclusions i'm having after the f150 being such a let down, but i feel the race strategies for us hasn't been good, and i remember that during our golden age years ago, this used to be key for ferrari wins, i remember that alot of those spectacular races that schumacher would come back from behind in finish in a podium always had him gaining several positions due to pitstop timing, and efficiency.

[epiclyaddicted]

i think you might be right Agron - but I still don't think one of their objectives is to give one driver a "potentially better shot at a podium place" based on nothing but the current situation in the current race and at the potential expense of the morale of the other. Unless Ferrari benefits of course (and would they?) - why would they make that subjective call that hindsight seems to make some believe was the only course of action?

To be honest, I don't think it was a case of our drivers not being allowed to overtake each other or anything like that in Korea. The way I see it, we got the best result we could have had with our performance levels. As Alonso himself said, he was struggling with the tyres up until his final pit stop, and even if he was let through by Massa earlier on, I still think Jenson had enough pace in hand to cover us off.

Just to throw in my 2 pence worth.

[Nick Singer]

Okay, heard Fernando's explanation. In the end it seems we were wrong and Felipe was not holding him up at all.
I have said that it was a mistake of the team to not let Fernando pass, but Fernando proves I was wrong.
Just like Fernando I too would like to know now what was different in the last stint that made the car so much faster....

But one thing is a fact: Fernando is not a PR talker. So what he says is , like it always was, what he wants to say. That he says something else to the team is another matter.

[epiclyaddicted]

For some reason what worries me most, even more than having a great car next season, is not team orders, but the strategies.

Maybe my memory is a little bad, but i feel like in alot of races this seasons, both drivers after their pitstops would loose positions rather than gaining, of course keeping in mind that when you stop other cars goes by but those cars will also have their pitstop, it just feels that almost never we make it work in a way that puts our drivers in front of the competition, the car that they were really racing agaisnt right in front of them.

Maybe someone else has another view, i hope I'm wrong and these are just conclusions i'm having after the f150 being such a let down, but i feel the race strategies for us hasn't been good, and i remember that during our golden age years ago, this used to be key for ferrari wins, i remember that alot of those spectacular races that schumacher would come back from behind in finish in a podium always had him gaining several positions due to pitstop timing, and efficiency.

In my opinion, strategies are much easier to work out when you have the fastest car. It's not a coincidence that Red Bull has seemingly been able to make any strategy work in the last two years, it's just because they have had the out and out fastest car.

It is true that in several races lately, we have lost position after the pitstops, but our tyre temperature problems, and the inability to get the best out of the prime tyres meant that no strategy probably could've given us a better result.

Couple of examples that immediately come to mind, where our pitstops helped us gain positions (and in fact win the race), is Monza 2010 and Silverstone 2011, where our pace was really strong.

If we come out of the blocks next year with a beast of a car, then the same strategies that seemingly "cost" us position this year will turn into race winning strategies.

I'm sure we can always improve, but at the end of the day, if you have the fastest car, then everything else becomes much easier.

[scuderia_nano]

Been a while Since I posted here. I guess Fernando should have never said "I GIVE UP" and pushed till the end probably like Lewis Hamilton did in Italy 2009. Or lol, lets settle for the 5th place

[scuderia_nano]

For some reason what worries me most, even more than having a great car next season, is not team orders, but the strategies.

Maybe my memory is a little bad, but i feel like in alot of races this seasons, both drivers after their pitstops would loose positions rather than gaining, of course keeping in mind that when you stop other cars goes by but those cars will also have their pitstop, it just feels that almost never we make it work in a way that puts our drivers in front of the competition, the car that they were really racing agaisnt right in front of them.

Maybe someone else has another view, i hope I'm wrong and these are just conclusions i'm having after the f150 being such a let down, but i feel the race strategies for us hasn't been good, and i remember that during our golden age years ago, this used to be key for ferrari wins, i remember that alot of those spectacular races that schumacher would come back from behind in finish in a podium always had him gaining several positions due to pitstop timing, and efficiency.

I totally thought that Fernando's pit stop was bad timing. He lost too many places.

[XXX132]

My 2cents

OK so our car is bad at heating up it's tyres or whatever, and Massa struggles the most out of our two drivers. FA is currently getting more out of his car and therefore should get priority. Next year, build Massa the car he needs, but this year we can only work with what we have.

Therefore it's a no-brainer FM should have let Nando past sooner, because anything could have happened at the front. Even if Nando was going as fast as he could anyway early in the race behind Massa, swap the positions. So what? If Massa suddenly finds some extra speed, radio the pits and someone makes the call.

Strategy must evolve second by second during the race. Had an accident or safety car bunched everyone up again, those "quali" laps by FA near the end of the race would have been P2 no question.

The team should think ahead and cover all posibilities, but again, they just react. We've seen it time and again - from the car design right down to poor calls in the pits (esp last year costing FA the WDC). It seems to be a team phenomenon. SD anyone..?

[impactX]

Before the season started, Massa said he liked the Pirelli tyres a lot more than the Bridgestone.

[Hermann]

Before the season started, Massa said he liked the Pirelli tyres a lot more than the Bridgestone.

As far as i remember, Pirelli decided to alter the tyres a bit to the start of the season. For whatever reason. Obviously not to help Ferrari, that is...

[justjesper]

Is Fernando not just calming the seas when saying he was not much faster then Massa and perhaps he was not fast enough to pass Massa.
As to the "I give up" yes that was a bit of a strange comment, but as scuderia_nano said " Let's settle for 5th " Was perhaps what he wanted to say.

[Kingdom Hearts]

We don't know the context, maybe he was pushing consuming too much fuel and Andrea was asking him to stop because the fuel level was very low, then Alonso came with the give up, we need the full radio transmision. Shame that the FOM is like a yellow page newspaper.

[wisepie]

No way did Fernando give up although I wouldn't have blamed him, the pit stop strategy blew it for both our boys and I'm sick of Felipe being blamed for holding him up, he was faster to begin with and his start was amazing even though he lost out at the first corner. Felipe had every right to try to fight for his position in view of the championship situation and as for the points comparison between the two drivers, Felipe has always been the one to lose out when it came to pit stops and overall strategy, so if anyone feels like giving up, it should be him. If the car had been up to scratch for the outset, the points tally would have been very different so give Felipe a break!

[NJB13]

We don't know the context, maybe he was pushing consuming too much fuel and Andrea was asking him to stop because the fuel level was very low, then Alonso came with the give up, we need the full radio transmision. Shame that the FOM is like a yellow page newspaper.

There have been some pretty controversial Ferrari radio transmissions selectively released recently. I didn't read much into what Nando said simply because you just don't know the context.

[Greig]

He explained his comments, he nearly hit the wall so said that was it, settle for what we had.

[EL NANO]

I just wonder what would have happened if Kimi would have given up in 2007...
A Ferrari driver should never give up.

As Tina Turner would say : " whats Kimmi got to do with it"

[EL NANO]

There have been some pretty controversial Ferrari radio transmissions selectively released recently. I didn't read much into what Nando said simply because you just don't know the context.

I agree, looks like the "media" like to juice and air only partail comments.. who knows what conversation ALO was having prior to that comment with his engineer.. Think about it folks... Hope that settles this topic...