Massa speaks about Hamilton

**Greig** · 1st November 2011, 19:16

Yeah Bianchi was doing a lot of work for the simulator, so his laps were not so meaningful in laptime

**Tech_Skill** · 1st November 2011, 19:21

Originally Posted by Tifosi

naaaa, been following this convo for 5 minutes now but you jumped the shark with this "logic".

To quote Lord Melchett in Blackadder II - "You twist and turn like a ... twisty-turny thing".

Hold on, so its way off to Suggest Rosberg might be closer than 0.6 to Alonso in qualifying?

**Tifosi** · 1st November 2011, 19:40

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Hold on, so its way off to Suggest Rosberg might be closer than 0.6 to Alonso in qualifying?

more the fact that you claim to use reasoned evidence to support your theory - yet conclude something that is nothing more than an opinion of yours, based on no evidence at all!

**Tech_Skill** · 1st November 2011, 19:43

Originally Posted by Tifosi

more the fact that you claim to use reasoned evidence to support your theory - yet conclude something that is nothing more than an opinion of yours, based on no evidence at all!

Nah, I said.

''Ps. Yes, I think Rosberg would do a better job too, thats just my opinion.''

I never claimed to have evidence..... I hope you havent been going to the ''Greig school of making up things to suit to your arguement when you have no arguement''

Thanks.

**Greig** · 1st November 2011, 20:08

No wonder you hold Autosport polls in such high esteem when this is what your opinion has to offer

Nico might be 1 second off Alonso for all anyone knows, you can guess all you like, excuse us while we get on with supporting our team and not having to defend it from Autosport fantasy

**Tifosi** · 1st November 2011, 20:09

Originally Posted by Tech_Skill

Nah, I said.

''Ps. Yes, I think Rosberg would do a better job too, thats just my opinion.''

I never claimed to have evidence..... I hope you havent been going to the ''Greig school of making up things to suit to your arguement when you have no arguement''

Thanks.

Is that close to the "Tech_Skill University of obfuscating what are essentially personal opinions about one driver against another by quoting incomparable facts about both"?

**dicec2** · 1st November 2011, 20:15

Let's not forget that the F60 was NOT a car that handled good. It would take Perez a while to get used to that. Remember Fisi?
Now, I'm a Massa fan, but what do you think about some other guys for the future, like Buemi, Jamie, or even Bruno? Probably a lot better drivers than their cars can show.

**Alonsomaniac** · 1st November 2011, 21:06

This is turning into a strange thread:
It starts with Felipe being hit by Lewis.

Then Felipe gets the penalty with Lewis' name on it.

Third Luca is not happy with Felipe because somebody gave him a penalty he did not deserve.

And then I read Felipe should be replaced by Sutil.

I don't know what some of you have been drinking, but it must be pretty strong...

**Poltergeistes** · 1st November 2011, 22:49

Originally Posted by Alonsomaniac

This is turning into a strange thread:
It starts with Felipe being hit by Lewis.

Then Felipe gets the penalty with Lewis' name on it.

Third Luca is not happy with Felipe because somebody gave him a penalty he did not deserve.

And then I read Felipe should be replaced by Sutil.

I don't know what some of you have been drinking, but it must be pretty strong...

I'm beginning to wonder wether they snorted it or injected it!

It has nothing to do with the thread, it was about the fact that lewis keeps targeting felipe, a ferrari driver, and then there's people arguing that pretty much any other driver thats in or out of F1 could do a better job than felipe.

And they try to back it up with statistics, which we couldn't draw much conclusions, i would like to think that a team that is as serious as scuderia ferrari is, would know better than any of us why they put felipe behind the wheel, and why they have kept him there since 2006, remember that by the time felipe leaves the team, he will be high on the list of driver's with most races for ferrari.

and that alone in my opnion would deserve some respect from ANY fan that is a ferrari fan, you never seen Felipe complain about the team, saying they are being unfair to him, when he's not doing well he is not blaming anybody else. when the team, or the pit crew made mistakes at a crucial time, he was first in line to make sure the mechanic knew it was a team sport, and they would win or lose, fail or succeed as a team, he didn't carry around a grudge, after "we" lost in 2008, it would be so easy for him to simply pin point some errors made by others inside the team, but all he did was point out that he also made errors, and just like a driver can make mistakes so can mechanics and pit crew.

The whole point here should be by now not just about how Lewis has directed destroyed felipe's races in many occasions this season so far, but also how the scoreboard doesn't really tell you everything about felipe's season.

They want Webber to replace Felipe, Webber who also has a faster than the rest car like Vettel, still can't seem to break away from the rest of the field, and that's fine for them, but the fact that felipe isn't beating fernando that is outrageous!

**Alonsomaniac** · 1st November 2011, 23:18

Originally Posted by Poltergeistes

I'm beginning to wonder wether they snorted it or injected it!

It has nothing to do with the thread, it was about the fact that lewis keeps targeting felipe, a ferrari driver, and then there's people arguing that pretty much any other driver thats in or out of F1 could do a better job than felipe.

And they try to back it up with statistics, which we couldn't draw much conclusions, i would like to think that a team that is as serious as scuderia ferrari is, would know better than any of us why they put felipe behind the wheel, and why they have kept him there since 2006, remember that by the time felipe leaves the team, he will be high on the list of driver's with most races for ferrari.

and that alone in my opnion would deserve some respect from ANY fan that is a ferrari fan, you never seen Felipe complain about the team, saying they are being unfair to him, when he's not doing well he is not blaming anybody else. when the team, or the pit crew made mistakes at a crucial time, he was first in line to make sure the mechanic knew it was a team sport, and they would win or lose, fail or succeed as a team, he didn't carry around a grudge, after "we" lost in 2008, it would be so easy for him to simply pin point some errors made by others inside the team, but all he did was point out that he also made errors, and just like a driver can make mistakes so can mechanics and pit crew.

The whole point here should be by now not just about how Lewis has directed destroyed felipe's races in many occasions this season so far, but also how the scoreboard doesn't really tell you everything about felipe's season.

They want Webber to replace Felipe, Webber who also has a faster than the rest car like Vettel, still can't seem to break away from the rest of the field, and that's fine for them, but the fact that felipe isn't beating fernando that is outrageous!

Muh....so one could conclude that the people running Scuderia Ferrari are just a bunch of morons.....

Here in the Netherlands we have a saying, and I'll try to translate it: The best captains stand ashore. (which means that those who are not doing the job always know how it could be done better)

**killer** · 2nd November 2011, 09:08

http://www.pitpass.com/45135-Herbert...-Massa-penalty

Coch says Herbert "suggested" what really happened was contrary to Massa's claim of not knowing Hamilton was there. From the same source:

"After looking at it from different camera angles and studying all the data available to us, it was clear that Massa knew where Hamilton was before he chose to turn across him."

I'm not sure Felipe would lie his *ss off so publicly.

Herbert further states Massa effectively ceded the corner when went wide right. OK--they studied the replays, but it isn't clear if they looked at Felipe's turn in at that corner for the previous laps. What if that really was his line? Why couldn't it have been Hamilton plain understeering into Massa as he lost grip on the dirty line?

I don't like that this has boiled down to Massa's word against Herbert's when they have access to tons of data and could have come to a rational and just decision.

**racingbradley** · 2nd November 2011, 10:53

Originally Posted by killer

I don't like that this has boiled down to Massa's word against Herbert's when they have access to tons of data and could have come to a rational and just decision.

You are not alone there even Alex Wurz

Alex Wurz has also fulfilled the FIA role in the past.
"In my opinion," said the former Benetton and Williams driver, "it was 50:50. It was a normal racing incident."

**Tifosi** · 2nd November 2011, 10:57

To be fair, Johnny H is the only driver i've heard say it was clearly Massa's fault so I don't think this is a battle of opinions as such but more a dissection of a really poor one :-|

**brembo man** · 2nd November 2011, 18:59

Originally Posted by Tifosi

Is that close to the "Tech_Skill University of obfuscating what are essentially personal opinions about one driver against another by quoting incomparable facts about both"?

A great observation by you! The greatest obfuscator here at SNF! Like they say "It takes one to know one."
If Massa goes to Mac, Button back to Ross, Nico to Reo and Bruno to Ferrari , that will fix everything.

**Tifosi** · 2nd November 2011, 19:27

Originally Posted by brembo man

A great observation by you! The greatest obfuscator here at SNF! Like they say "It takes one to know one."
If Massa goes to Mac, Button back to Ross, Nico to Reo and Bruno to Ferrari , that will fix everything.

Thank you brembo man

You crept up behind me like a ghost there

Did you enjoy Halloween?

Whilst I appreciate your attention as always, i'm a bit confused (as always) by your cryptic coding and - as always - the point of your post.

Some preliminary questions to enable me to reply to your "post" if you will

1. What am i being accused of obfuscating?
2. What is SNF?
3. What does the bit in bold actually mean?
4. Are you just bored?

Luv ya hun x

**epiclyaddicted** · 2nd November 2011, 19:52

Originally Posted by Tifosi

Luv ya hun x

Cringe!!

**brembo man** · 3rd November 2011, 01:03

Originally Posted by Tifosi

Thank you brembo man

You crept up behind me like a ghost there

Did you enjoy Halloween?

Whilst I appreciate your attention as always, i'm a bit confused (as always) by your cryptic coding and - as always - the point of your post.

Some preliminary questions to enable me to reply to your "post" if you will

1. What am i being accused of obfuscating?
2. What is SNF?
3. What does the bit in bold actually mean?
4. Are you just bored?

Luv ya hun x

1. Equal to a great politician your unclear when you reprimand me for constantly reffering to our former driver as, well you know the words. Then when you feel like it you list the very words unprovoked by me .
2. It be Ebonics for Scuderia net forum. Sorry to have confused y'all.
3. My theory for 2012. Kind of a way to chill Lewis out. Put Massa on his very team so they can get along better on the track. You know I'd love to see Bruno with Ferrari. And the rest of the moves are just to fill int he voids created by the above moves.
4. Nope.
I hope to meet up with you at the New Jersey F1 spectacular!!

**brembo man** · 3rd November 2011, 01:06

Originally Posted by ek583

Cringe!!

Jealousy is a terrible trait. It will get you nowhere.

**Poltergeistes** · 3rd November 2011, 01:51

So is JH suggesting that, when drivers are aware that lewis hamilton is at the premises, they should simply move out of the way, even if that is their racing line, even if they have the car ahead? i think that's why felipe's been punished, that's their way to try and stop the problem, by intimidating other drivers, so if they aproach lewis's differently knowing he is a car wrecker they have to do it differently than they would do to any other driver?

like a parent saying "you are punished cause your brother punched you, when you know he pratices boxing"

**Tifosi** · 3rd November 2011, 09:06

[QUOTE=brembo man;698154]1. Equal to a great politician your unclear when you reprimand me for constantly reffering to our former driver as, well you know the words. Then when you feel like it you list the very words unprovoked by me .
2. It be Ebonics for Scuderia net forum. Sorry to have confused y'all.
3. My theory for 2012. Kind of a way to chill Lewis out. Put Massa on his very team so they can get along better on the track. You know I'd love to see Bruno with Ferrari. And the rest of the moves are just to fill int he voids created by the above moves.
4. Nope.
I hope to meet up with you at the New Jersey F1 spectacular!![/QUOtE *

I'm Unclear? I and several others often reprimand you for your ridiculous slagging off of ex-Ferrari members with insulting and childish names. What's unclear about that?

You call MS the "chin" it seems because you are relentlessly bitter about non Brazilians that you feel have upset, disadvantaged or taken the seat of Brazilians. I (and others) call him the "chin" because it's a direct parody* of you being relentlessly bitter about non Brazilians that you feel have upset, disadvantaged or taken the seat of Brazilians.

The rest I assume you added to obfuscate the purpose of your post which was to specifically say hello to me

and to derail the thread with some random off topic shizzle as per.

catch you soon hunny x

**brembo man** · 3rd November 2011, 11:20

Calm down man! Rubens and Massa are Italian. Bruno's Brasilian, even Piquet Jr. he's german . What brasilian did MS unseat?

**Tifosi** · 3rd November 2011, 11:23

**Greig** · 3rd November 2011, 11:26

Yeah Rubens and Massa are Italian, seriously please stop. Both born in Brazil, if you want to say Nelson is German cause of his birthplace then you can't say Massa and Rubens are not Brazilian.

Felipe must have been out of his mind when he won at Brazil and stopped for his national flag, same with Rubens at Germany 2000, we have been fooled all this time!

**Suzie** · 3rd November 2011, 13:14

Felipe is only quarter-Italian, brembo man. He is mostly made up of Brazilian-ness

**Kingdom Hearts** · 3rd November 2011, 14:31

Webber thinks it's 50/50.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/form...e/15569488.stm

**Ferrari_gal** · 3rd November 2011, 15:03

Guess we have, hey ???

**Ferrari_gal** · 3rd November 2011, 15:05

[QUOTE=Ferrari_gal;698214]

Originally Posted by Greig

Yeah Rubens and Massa are Italian, seriously please stop. Both born in Brazil, if you want to say Nelson is German cause of his birthplace then you can't say Massa and Rubens are not Brazilian.

Felipe must have been out of his mind when he won at Brazil and stopped for his national flag, same with Rubens at Germany 2000, we have been fooled all this time!

Guess we have, hey ???

**brembo man** · 3rd November 2011, 17:50

Originally Posted by Suzie

Felipe is only quarter-Italian, brembo man. He is mostly made up of Brazilian-ness

I know that! Well I didn't realize he put together in sections, I thought he was born in one body. You have to know I was just kidding around confusing my confused best friend Tifosi!

**brembo man** · 3rd November 2011, 18:03

Originally Posted by Greig

Yeah Rubens and Massa are Italian, seriously please stop. Both born in Brazil, if you want to say Nelson is German cause of his birthplace then you can't say Massa and Rubens are not Brazilian.!

Sounds good to me. I must have got tifosied [confused] because of the Pres. Obama situation over here in the US. He's African Irish American.