Massa speaks about Hamilton

[Tifosi]

@FrankAlfa: grey, true. But just as we know that it is not Hamilton's way to back off, so does Felipe know too. Felipe knew he was somewhere very close - he had seen him beside the Ferrari at one moment - and decided to turn in. Had Hamilton backed off, everyone had called Felipe a driver with big balls, but Hamilton does not back off. Never.
The penalty was idiotic, it was a racingincident to me this time.

You dont let the other guy through just because you know he has no sense in overtaking. Massa didn't "turn in". He took the racing line because he was ahead. He followed the logic and rules of the sport. Lewis may have special needs sometimes but i dont see why any driver should have to make allowances for his lack of race craft to give him an easy life.

[Suzie]

You dont let the other guy through just because you know he has no sense in overtaking. Massa didn't "turn in". He took the racing line because he was ahead. He followed the logic and rules of the sport. Lewis may have special needs sometimes but i dont see why any driver should have to make allowances for his lack of race craft to give him an easy life.

Don't be so harsh. Lewis has PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO-ONE ELSE HAS EVER HAD BEFORE.
How insensitive are you?
GET A GRIP.

[Tifosi]

just sayin' :-|

[Hermann]

Don't be so harsh. Lewis has PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO-ONE ELSE HAS EVER HAD BEFORE.
How insensitive are you?
GET A GRIP.

[Tifosi]

I wonder if the Bob Marley estate have sued yet......

[Poltergeistes]

Don't be so harsh. Lewis has PERSONAL PROBLEMS THAT NO-ONE ELSE HAS EVER HAD BEFORE.
How insensitive are you?
GET A GRIP.

In a way this is so true, i can't imagine how bad and difficult it must be for lewis, being himself... you know it's not like he can just one day look in the mirror and see Naomi Campbell, a person who already went through everything he hamilton is going through.

[brembo man]

and guys just keep in mind, felipe is just lewis's second favorite rival to crash, so our team is in big danger next season if we have a competitive car, he will be even worse than this year when it comes to the red cars.

I believe if Lewis is back to#1 driver status @ Mac just because he's Lewis, and Button would stop beating him next year all will be fine and Lewis will no longer hit anyone or look so serious even on the podium. His well earned sucess in the past has left him in very unfamiliar territory this year. The boy is in shock. Just a thought here, I remember a quote by Prost saying "The most dreaded fear in F1 was looking in his mirror and seeing that yellow helmet!!! Isn't Ayrton Lewis' idol big time?

[Poltergeistes]

I believe if Lewis is back to#1 driver status @ Mac just because he's Lewis, and Button would stop beating him next year all will be fine and Lewis will no longer hit anyone or look so serious even on the podium. His well earned sucess in the past has left him in very unfamiliar territory this year. The boy is in shock. Just a thought here, I remember a quote by Prost saying "The most dreaded fear in F1 was looking in his mirror and seeing that yellow helmet!!! Isn't Ayrton Lewis' idol big time?

You definetly have a point there, it's something that comes very naturally to lewis, to think he is the new ayrton senna, so he wants to paint the same picture senna did, and until he realizes he can't, he has to have a personality of his own he won't grow up.

And for lewis being a fan of ayrton is actually a little insulting the fact that he is trying to copy him that much, surely that yellow helmet didn't cause fear on the adversaries because he would always drive his car over the car in front of him, and most of all, senna wouldn't claim himself to be a genius in the water, he would prove it during his career, talking is one thing and doing is another as felipe pointed out today.

[racingbradley]

I think Lewis fancies a seat with Ferrari but Stefano said no, no and Lewis decided to RAM, RAM the red car-----at least that is what is happening at every race right now.
I also think he underestimates Felipe and thinks he is an easy target.

[epiclyaddicted]

You guys, please leave Lewis alone, he has just broken up with his girlfriend.

[Suzie]

You guys, please leave Lewis alone, he has just broken up with his girlfriend.

Well that's what I have been trying to tell Stu. No-one in the world aside from Lewis has ever broken up with someone and then had to go to work the next day and put on a brave face. No-one.

[Tifosi]

*arm around shoulder*
"Have a good race"
*CRASH*

[Poltergeistes]

You guys, please leave Lewis alone, he has just broken up with his girlfriend.

I swear to god that when i saw lewis helmet i thought that was cool,when he said something about thse times being sent to try us i thought he was making referrences to these "occupy" campaigns that are going all over the world, , here i was thinking he was thinking and sending a "forza" to activists. but no, that was all about his own relationship, simply about his own little problems, cause obviously the problems going on around the world is nothing compared to his. i can't beleive i even thought his helmet and his message was for a greater good, there is no greater good than himself.

[brembo man]

Button is hurting him far more than Nicole. He's not supposed to beat Lewis, never!

[epiclyaddicted]

*arm around shoulder*
"Have a good race"
*CRASH*

[epiclyaddicted]

There's no need to feel down Lewis...

[Sir Waking Gear]

Hi all, been registered for a long time, this is my first post, was banging my head against the wall today, 1st when lulu punted Felipe out again, and 2nd when Felipe got the penalty???? Hang in there Felipe baby, I prefer to see you fighting like this than being passive. for me Lulu came into F1 and surprised everyone with his attacking moves in strange places that nobody was expecting, but now he's lost his advantage & drivers such as fm are now prepared to call his bluff.

[Alonsomaniac]

You dont let the other guy through just because you know he has no sense in overtaking. Massa didn't "turn in". He took the racing line because he was ahead. He followed the logic and rules of the sport. Lewis may have special needs sometimes but i dont see why any driver should have to make allowances for his lack of race craft to give him an easy life.

All true, although by "turn in" I meant turning into the corner, not into Lewis. You don't see why any driver should make allowances. Also true, but any driver should also realise that Lewis' lack of racecraft as you call it may then result in what happened today. Yes, Felipe was in front and yes, it was his line and yes any other driver would have known that and backed off in time but that's not the way it works with Lewis.
So maybe, knowing that, Felipe should have paid a little more attention to what happened behind him?

[Greig]

I would rather Felipe turned in every single time, rather than jump out the way for someone, that is just me though maybe

Next time Lewis might not be so confident he can make Massa move over and get out his way, he sees Massa as a easy target IMO

[Tifosi]

All true, although by "turn in" I meant turning into the corner, not into Lewis. You don't see why any driver should make allowances. Also true, but any driver should also realise that Lewis' lack of racecraft as you call it may then result in what happened today. Yes, Felipe was in front and yes, it was his line and yes any other driver would have known that and backed off in time but that's not the way it works with Lewis.
So maybe, knowing that, Felipe should have paid a little more attention to what happened behind him?

I can't help but notice that your hindsight is 20/20 vision

Maybe everyone should just let Lewis through seeing as he can't overtake anymore. Everyone except Fernando probably!

[Red is Best]

I would rather Felipe turned in every single time, rather than jump out the way for someone, that is just me though maybe

Next time Lewis might not be so confident he can make Massa move over and get out his way, he sees Massa as a easy target IMO

My toughts exactly.
As for the incident, I'm no F1 driver, but from kart-racing I learned that some spots on a track are just not meant for overtaking, no matter how much faster you are.

[Poltergeistes]

I can't help but notice that your hindsight is 20/20 vision

Maybe everyone should just let Lewis through seeing as he can't overtake anymore. Everyone except Fernando probably!

I think he (alonsomaniac) is making a valid point in saying that when dealing with lewis at least for a while maybe it's better for felipe to easy up on him, all of the times this season felipe fought for the position, and everytime he did, lewis pretty much put him in a position where, either felipe gets out of his way or he will destroy massa's race, and lewis has succeded in every single time, he might have not succeded himself cause he was punished, but he surely destroyed every race felipe was going good.

I think felipe has performed way better than last season, even if he's not at his best like in 2008 and before his injury, his lap times during practice and qualifying is very good, he is almost always keeping up with fernando, even during the race their lap times are similar, the problems for felipe is that his races kept being ruined, and that's why he hasn't been able to score alot more points and even a podium so far, and most of these incidents he had no mistakes in them.

To me it just goes to show how sometimes the scoreboard doesn't really tell the drivers performance. some members here are always bashing felipe, saying he is too slow, and might be the first driver to go an entire season without a podium for ferrari since the 80's, if they were paying attention to BOTH ferrari cars during the race, they would realise that the difference between fernando and felipe has really dropped since last season, and it's improving every race.

By the way, just like felipe can't beat fernando, no other driver can do it either, so i don't see it as felipe being a bad driver, to me it's just fernando being an outstanding driver.

Ferrari is a team that focuses on winning constructors championships just as much as drivers, so i find it unlikely that ferrari would keep a driver who isn't good enough to compete with the rest of the top drivers, for us to win both championships we need to have 2 top drivers.

[impactX]

^ He made a mistake in previous corner that let Lewis get into the 1 second DRS timed zone. If he didn't, Lewis would have been a few seconds behind.

Consistency is what he lacks.

[Sha1]

I don't think it's necessary to bring Hamilton's personal life into racing discussions, as it seems to be happening quite frequently now. No celebrity deserves enough of your attention to have their personal life spoken about. Just my opinion.

[Poltergeistes]

I don't think it's necessary to bring Hamilton's personal life into racing discussions, as it seems to be happening quite frequently now. No celebrity deserves enough of your attention to have their personal life spoken about. Just my opinion.

We make fun of lewis because he drives for mclaren, but nothing personal, and we make so many remarks about his personal life because thats what he wanted, he wanted the public to be interested in his romantic and family relationships.

You don't hear much family/women drama coming into the track with any other driver, they keep these things to themselves. just the fact that they had to make a sort of statement announcing their breakup is what's so stupid about him, this is a big reason of why we make fun of his personal life, because he keeps crashing into one of our drivers intentionally is the reason why we make fun of him as a driver.

[Poltergeistes]

^ He made a mistake in previous corner that let Lewis get into the 1 second DRS timed zone. If he didn't, Lewis would have been a few seconds behind.

Consistency is what he lacks.

i meant he made no mistake in that incident, of course he made and makes mistakes during the race, as does every driver, the point is, every driver seems to be all in order when it comes to overtaking each other, nobody other than hamilton is trying to be the badass.

As far as consistent, he has become alot more consistent this second half of the season, is he perfect? no, is fernando? yeah probably. i just don't think that we should bash felipe simply for being slower than fernando alonso, that doesn't make him a bad driver. this is what fernando keeps complaining about the F1 media, they would rather say his teammate sucks than to simply say fernando is the best driver in F1. and lets admit it, we could put any other driver in massa's place, still alonso would be better. i'm not saying felipe can't get better, hopefully he will eventually up his game, he takes time to get there, it was that way with every champion driver he had as teammate, but eventually he managed to keep up with some and surpass others. i really think fernando is the strongest teammate one could have in F1, and it's been that way since his first championship.

I dont understand people who are demanding felipe to be at the same level as fernando, i'm a massa fan, i would love if that were to happen, however... its fernando alonso, so don't act like massa is our #1 driver, paid rivers of money and is expected to beat his teammate, you know like they had during the kimi/massa years.

[Sha1]

We make fun of lewis because he drives for mclaren, but nothing personal, and we make so many remarks about his personal life because thats what he wanted, he wanted the public to be interested in his romantic and family relationships.

You don't hear much family/women drama coming into the track with any other driver, they keep these things to themselves. just the fact that they had to make a sort of statement announcing their breakup is what's so stupid about him, this is a big reason of why we make fun of his personal life, because he keeps crashing into one of our drivers intentionally is the reason why we make fun of him as a driver.

I wasn't taking a stab at anyone in particular. I just noticed a lot of talk about his personal life recently, which quite honestly shouldn't be worth anyone's time. I think being above such topics should be one of the things that separates us from the McLaren/Hamilton fan boys.

There's nothing wrong with making fun of him as a racing driver (I've done a fair bit of that myself), but his life outside of F1 shouldn't be our business, even if he wants it to be. Keep in mind that his faults as a human may very well be due to the lack of opportunities he has had to grow as a person throughout his childhood. He still has a lifetime to correct those faults, as do we with our own.

[Poltergeistes]

I wasn't taking a stab at anyone in particular. I just noticed a lot of talk about his personal life recently, which quite honestly shouldn't be worth anyone's time. I think being above such topics should be one of the things that separates us from the McLaren/Hamilton fan boys.

There's nothing wrong with making fun of him as a racing driver (I've done a fair bit of that myself), but his life outside of F1 shouldn't be our business, even if he wants it to be. Keep in mind that his faults as a human may very well be due to the lack of opportunities he has had to grow as a person throughout his childhood. He still has a lifetime to correct those faults, as do we with our own.

Which was exactly our point, where we criticized him, is because he is not the only one to ever have problems, there's alot of people who had a difficult childhood, he can blame his actions on that, we just can't take it when he acts, talks and thinks that this is something exclusive of his, and so to overcome them means he is better than the others. most part of the field had very difficult childhoods too, after all racing is very expensive, we all know it's the priciest sport to get into, you could be middle class, it would take all your money invested in it, and then some, before they can begin to make some money.

So in many senses, every other driver had problems during their childhood too.

As for the "lack of opportunities" i will take it as a joke, he is the driver who have been sponsored by mclaren since such young age, he came into f1 directly into a top car, so to talk about lack of opportunities is simply a joke.

[Sha1]

he acts, talks and thinks that this is something exclusive of his, and so to overcome them means he is better than the others.

But that is also one of his faults.

As for the "lack of opportunities" i will take it as a joke, he is the driver who have been sponsored by mclaren since such young age, he came into f1 directly into a top car, so to talk about lack of opportunities is simply a joke.

Which is exactly why he has lacked the opportunity to develop in certain areas. I have no intention of starting a discussion on child psychology, but you might agree that in some cases, someone who "has things their way" all the time will grow up with certain character flaws.

And I did not mean lack of opportunities in terms of racing career alone, I meant in terms of life in general.

[Katu]

is this the place where i should say 'leave lewis alone' again?