2012 Canadian Grand Prix - Race thread

[Kyss4k]

And since when the "make a decision" = "fire people". I didn't know you are a lawyer. Can you give some advise for a personal matter??

Heh, I am sorry, but it's really a conclusion one will get from that kind of comment.

[Greig]

I think it was encouraging that Ferrari could have fought McLaren for the win at a track like Canada which suits McLaren a lot more.

Yes it was

[Alessandra]

Possibly the pit lane forgot that even Alonso isn't a miracle worker and that we were not racing LH. We were racing SV for the WDC. RBR seem to have remembered that. They pitted in order to pass FA, not LH. And they did it.

[wacc]

...not giving Fernando fresh rubber to fight for the victory and at least 2nd was a mistake.

Ones more. Yes, now it is clear it was not the right decision.
But maybe you would have made the same bad decision having the information and targets they had

[Kyss4k]

Yes there was other options, I am not smarter than they are, nor am I blind to a mistake being made, it seems you are blinded by things as we had the option to pit with a 15 second lead, have fresh rubber and to fight for the win to the finish, this is not Monaco overtaking is very easy round here, not giving Fernando fresh rubber to fight for the victory and at least 2nd was a mistake.

It's easy to overtake here, but you have to have speed for that. And in the race we clearly saw, that Hamilton was quicker. And I am sure team knew that and that was why they have chosen this strategy. And I admited several times already, that it was mistake in the end, didn't I?

[Ferrari Man]

So what we made our first bad strategy call of the year. We're only two points behind with a car now capable to fight for a win.. Back in March some of us were whinging the year was over before it even started... Bring on Valencia....

[Greig]

It's easy to overtake here, but you have to have speed for that. And in the race we clearly saw, that Hamilton was quicker. And I am sure team knew that and that was why they have chosen this strategy. And I admited several times already, that it was mistake in the end, didn't I?

Ok, so why did they think Alonso running around on worn tyres would be able to hold off Lewis when he could not do it with fresh tyres? I don't think they went for the win by staying out, they hoped to hold 2nd IMO.

[Curbs]

It´s allways easier to be wise afterwards.
But I would have loved to se how far Alonso would have come if he pitted for supersofts around the time when Hamilton was 6 sec behind Vettel. At that point I hoped that they were going for that option.

[sav_pap]

So which decision should he make then?

1) introduce a bonus and an anti-bonus. Wrong calls => anti-bonus. smart calls => bonus
2) Train the people there in different strategic scenarios.
2) Hire you as a lawyer

[icedeepan]

Cheer up folks! We went for the win bravely...nothing to be ashamed of! The f2012 is on song, alonso is driving brilliantly and our pit stops are awesome...with 13 races to go, we are only 2 points from the leader...keep the faith!

[Ferrari Man]

Cheer up folks! We went for the win bravely...nothing to be ashamed of! The f2012 is on song, alonso is driving brilliantly and our pit stops are awesome...with 13 races to go, we are only 2 points from the leader...keep the faith!

+10000000000

[scuderiafan]

I said this was looking like 2008 with the competitiveness, but we got a bad element from that today

[wacc]

Ok, so why did they think Alonso running around on worn tyres would be able to hold off Lewis when he could not do it with fresh tyres? I don't think they went for the win by staying out, they hoped to hold 2nd IMO.

Maybe because the information they had available indicated, that the tires would not fall off the cliff before the end of the race and Hamilton's pace would not be enough to overtake or maybe they wanted to cover Vettel rather than Hamilton. There are several explanations.

[Kyss4k]

Ok, so why did they think Alonso running around on worn tyres would be able to hold off Lewis when he could not do it with fresh tyres? I don't think they went for the win by staying out, they hoped to hold 2nd IMO.

Maybe they thought that they saved the tyres enough. If Alonso could keep posting laps under 1 sec slower than Lewis (as he did, sadly only for a little while) it would have worked out. Maybe miscalculation. But they definitely thought, that only one, who could be a threat at the end would be Lewis and in some way, they saw some low percentage chance to hold him off (read: be quick enough). I don't know, I don't have their data, but I am 100% sure, they had their reasons and they didn't do it based on a dice roll.

[wacc]

1) introduce a bonus and an anti-bonus. Wrong calls => anti-bonus. smart calls => bonus
2) Train the people there in different strategic scenarios.
2) Hire you as a lawyer

lol

[scudvirgin10]

im bit sad that alonso lose the game,but in some way even he lose it,maybe if he went to the pits in super soft in my opinion maybe he can win the race

[sav_pap]

Cheer up folks! We went for the win bravely...nothing to be ashamed of! The f2012 is on song, alonso is driving brilliantly and our pit stops are awesome...with 13 races to go, we are only 2 points from the leader...keep the faith!

The bad is that we have vettel 1 point back...now... things could be more different with p2. it could be:

alo 94
vet 88
ham 88

I prefer this. it's the points counting for the championship. if we waste them then bye-bye.
And it was sure points today. That's the bad. It wasn't something not reacable. We had them in our hands.

[SanderV]

So what we made our first bad strategy call of the year. We're only two points behind with a car now capable to fight for a win.. Back in March some of us were whinging the year was over before it even started... Bring on Valencia....

This. Up until today we've had fantastic results thanks to Alonso and the team. Today we gambled and lost.

[sav_pap]

lol

sorry my mistake. I didn't know you are not a lawyer but a banana.
nice dance . I'm sure stefano will dance the same when luca will speak to him.
Stefano's mobile will be burning today.

[FerrariF60]

The bad is that we have vettel 1 point back...now... things could be more different with p2. it could be:

alo 94
vet 88
ham 88

I prefer this. it's the points counting for the championship. if we waste them then bye-bye.
And it was sure points today. That's the bad. It wasn't something not reacable. We had them in our hands.

you have a good point here indeed, the points difference would have been HUGE in our advantage, and YES we screwed up on strategy call; at least is now, and NOT in the last race.
i'm sure Ferrari will learn from it and NOT to do this again

at least we have a good car now taht is capable of fighting for wins....back in australia, NOT SO...

so cheer up, we're only 2 points down on Luise with many, many races to go

[Rob]

sorry my mistake. I didn't know you are not a lawyer but a banana.
nice dance . I'm sure stefano will dance the same when luca will speak to him.
Stefano's mobile will be burning today.

Why will Luca be ringing Stefano to run him down and say you done rubbish? Luca is a racer, he understands racing is all about gambling and taking risks. As said before, at least we still got good points today. Still ALONG!!! way to go in season. Isnt all lost, we loose as a team we win as a team.

[F2002]

Ok, so why did they think Alonso running around on worn tyres would be able to hold off Lewis when he could not do it with fresh tyres? I don't think they went for the win by staying out, they hoped to hold 2nd IMO.

My view is that they were racing Vettel.

The real mistake was not changing tyres when Vettel did.

Objectively, though, I prefer a fifth place after a wrong strategic call which could have potentially cost victory, rather than a fifth place due to the car not being competitive enough. They really have improved things, which is very commendable.

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Had a bad feeling before the gran prix and it looks like i was right. Strategy wasn't the best today but I'm encouraged by Ferrari's performance. I'm pretty sure that had the temperature been similar to that of friday's, we would've won the race.
Oh well, roll on Valencia where i expect the car in red to be very competitive.

[F2002]

Had a bad feeling before the gran prix and it looks like i was right. Strategy wasn't the best today but I'm encouraged by Ferrari's performance. I'm pretty sure that had the temperature been similar to that of friday's, we would've won the race.
Oh well, roll on Valencia where i expect the car in red to be very competitive.

Before the race, Alonso predicted that a competitive car in Canada would be competitive anywhere thereafter, so there is indeed plenty to look forward to.

[icedeepan]

The bad is that we have vettel 1 point back...now... things could be more different with p2. it could be:

alo 94
vet 88
ham 88

I prefer this. it's the points counting for the championship. if we waste them then bye-bye.
And it was sure points today. That's the bad. It wasn't something not reacable. We had them in our hands.

Agreed. But if the strategy had worked it would have been like this,

Alonso 101
Vet 88
Ham 81

Clearly thats what they wanted and went for it with the data they had! I'm proud of our team today!

[Julie B]

Scuderia Ferrari ‏@InsideFerrari
We understand the disappointment of the fans but things must be judged with a cold mind and not conditioned by emotions.

[Greig]

Maybe because the information they had available indicated, that the tires would not fall off the cliff before the end of the race and Hamilton's pace would not be enough to overtake or maybe they wanted to cover Vettel rather than Hamilton. There are several explanations.

Fair enough, yet we still never reacted when it was clear their information was wrong.

[sav_pap]

Why will Luca be ringing Stefano to run him down and say you done rubbish? Luca is a racer, he understands racing is all about gambling and taking risks. As said before, at least we still got good points today. Still ALONG!!! way to go in season. Isnt all lost, we loose as a team we win as a team.

Thats why sony supplies him with enough tv sets from the beggining of the champ?
And also note that he is not a racer but a WINNER. Dont judge him from his press statements. Im pretty sure some people won't close an eye all night.

[sav_pap]

Fair enough, yet we still never reacted when it was clear their information was wrong.

How can anyone explain this. This is what im saying. They didnt gamble. They did something that they knew it was wrong.

[Rob]

Thats why sony supplies him with enough tv sets from the beggining of the champ?
And also note that he is not a racer but a WINNER. Dont judge him from his press statements. Im pretty sure some people won't close an eye all night.

He wants us to have competitive car, we have that think he would be more annoyed if we didnt pick up points. As Stefano said, tyres were looking good, and they (Fernando aswell) thought they may last, but they fell off to late.

Felipe was stuck in alot more traffic than Fernando, were as Fernando could hold back abit from Louise and try to safe tyres abit more, Felipe didnt have that luxury. He had to push all the time to make places up and get in the points.