2012 Canadian Grand Prix - Race thread

[F2002]

Rule of thumb is to mirror the quickest car and this was HAM on the day so bad call from ferrari...

I don't agree with you here.

The rule in my view is to cover your closest opponent, which in this case was Vettel.

If, hypothetically, Vettel had stayed out and his gamble had worked, they would have lost position.

The mistake was made when Vettel pitted and Fernando didn't. Once Vettel (and of course Hamilton) had changed tyres, then they should have simply mirrored that strategy.

[Red_Diamond]

I appreciate Ferrari going for it, they are racers after all.

Settling for second place is hardly what they're working for. If people are offended by
that they should support another team.

And who is to say second would have been guaranteed? What if something had gone
wrong in the pits? Some of you would had wanted the pitcrew to be fired.

[F2002]

I appreciate Ferrari going for it, they are racers after all.

Settling for second place is hardly what they're working for. If people are offended by
that they should support another team.

And who is to say second would have been guaranteed? What if something had gone
wrong in the pits? Some of you would had wanted the pitcrew to be fired.

All true mate, except for the fact that we are living in a world of data and telemetry.

It's not about settling for second place, it's about knowing for sure that you can't have first. And that's a different story.

[Nova]

I appreciate Ferrari going for it, they are racers after all.

Settling for second place is hardly what they're working for. If people are offended by
that they should support another team.

And who is to say second would have been guaranteed? What if something had gone
wrong in the pits? Some of you would had wanted the pitcrew to be fired.

I disagree..they are working for the WDC and the WCC. So 2nd place, if attainable is
a whole lots better than 6th.

A few races ago, we wouldve gave cookies for 2nds.
And so what if people are offended by it?
If they support Ferrari, they dont want to support another team.
I dont believe the car yet has the pace to win outright.

[Red_Diamond]

Telemetry doesn't tell the whole truth.
To be 2 points behind is better than to be 90 points behind. For those crying about 8 points, the 7 points Alonso gained in Germany 2010 didn't win him the title did it? Since when does anyone win a championship in one race in the middle of the season?


I thought most Ferrari fans would be delighted to see the car challenging for wins, how wrong am I.

[Greig]

Every point counts no matter if it's the first race or last race. Ferrari never went for the win no matter what their PR is telling you, going for the win would have been another stop when they seen Lewis catching at over 1 second a lap. Alonso had no chance of winning with 1 stop.

[F2008]

I appreciate Ferrari going for it, they are racers after all.

Settling for second place is hardly what they're working for. If people are offended by
that they should support another team.

What are Ferrari looking for? To win the Canadian Grand Prix or to win the championship? If they keep doing this then second place in the championship is within sight for sure.

[Hornet]

Telemetry doesn't tell the whole truth.
To be 2 points behind is better than to be 90 points behind. For those crying about 8 points, the 7 points Alonso gained in Germany 2010 didn't win him the title did it? Since when does anyone win a championship in one race in the middle of the season?


I thought most Ferrari fans would be delighted to see the car challenging for wins, how wrong am I.

The extra points in Germany gave us a fighting chance. It was the right thing to do however you looked at it.

The events that unfolded in the last race lost us the title.

[sav_pap]

Every point counts no matter if it's the first race or last race. Ferrari never went for the win no matter what their PR is telling you, going for the win would have been another stop when they seen Lewis catching at over 1 second a lap. Alonso had no chance of winning with 1 stop.

Exactly!!!

For those crying about 8 points, the 7 points Alonso gained in Germany 2010 didn't win him the title did it? Since when does anyone win a championship in one race in the middle of the season?.

What if in 2012 we'll lose the WDC by 8 points?? Could these 8 points lost in Canada give us the title??
We don't have the luxury to waste points!!! Especially by doing amateur mistakes.

[F2002]

I thought most Ferrari fans would be delighted to see the car challenging for wins, how wrong am I.

You really haven't read many threads on this board, have you ?

[anotherfinemess]

Every point counts no matter if it's the first race or last race. Ferrari never went for the win no matter what their PR is telling you, going for the win would have been another stop when they seen Lewis catching at over 1 second a lap. Alonso had no chance of winning with 1 stop.

Completely agree.

We were never gonna win, if Alonso had pitted a lap after Lewis and if Alonso was ahead, the mac would've drs'd his way past the Ferrari. Our pace on the straight is questionable, too may cars drove past us in Canada.
After the second pitstop Lewis was gonna catch and pass Alonso before the end and it was very obvious.

The best we could try was 2nd and we blew that.

How many cars did we pass in Canada? none I think, we got passed a lot though.

Just Ferrari PR saying we went for the win, and Alonso is happy that we tried to win.

[PURE PASSION]

Completely agree.

We were never gonna win, if Alonso had pitted a lap after Lewis and if Alonso was ahead, the mac would've drs'd his way past the Ferrari. Our pace on the straight is questionable, too may cars drove past us in Canada.
After the second pitstop Lewis was gonna catch and pass Alonso before the end and it was very obvious.

The best we could try was 2nd and we blew that.

How many cars did we pass in Canada? none I think, we got passed a lot though.

Just Ferrari PR saying we went for the win, and Alonso is happy that we tried to win.

The thing is that that we never know what pace would alo had if he had pit just after ham.And if we watch at massas pace after pit stop then i'm not sure who would be faster!!!!!!

[Alonsomaniac]

If we are really careful we can win the championship even without winning a race at all.

But that is NOT the Ferrrari way.

[Italian Spirit]

We gambled, we lost, I accept it. But watching fingerboy passing Alonso...

[Giallo 550]

I missed the first viewing of the race because my DVR was set to record all races on Speed, not Fox... I then looked up the results and read Fernando's comments and my reaction was, "Oh, okay...". Later that night, I saw it was being replayed on Speed so I watched the entire race even though I knew the results. I know hindsight is 20/20, but I know that if I watched it first, I would have thought that they should have brought Fernando in the second his times started falling in comparison to those of Hamilton. I can't help but feel he would have been third on the podium had they did, but whatever. With the exception of that one spin, Felipe looked great. Can't wait for the next race!

[REDARMYSOJA]

If we are really careful we can win the championship even without winning a race at all.

But that is NOT the Ferrrari way.

Alonso has already won this year.

[Nova]

Telemetry doesn't tell the whole truth.
To be 2 points behind is better than to be 90 points behind. For those crying about 8 points, the 7 points Alonso gained in Germany 2010 didn't win him the title did it? Since when does anyone win a championship in one race in the middle of the season?


I thought most Ferrari fans would be delighted to see the car challenging for wins, how wrong am I.

To be 2 points behind, or 90..makes no difference..you still lost..and the car isnt yet fast enough...

[FrankAlfa]

In the end, the strongest race car will win and Ferrari are working on making the strongest race car! They are using the Coanda Effect quite well now and are one of the top teams. They must move their race car ahead of the others and claim a leading role in the Championships which we could see that soon, if they stay on this development pace. Reducing Drag and at the same time increasing Downforce is their goal.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[brembo man]

Frank, can a driver enhance the Coanda effect say when there a second or less behind moving the rear wing ?

[FrankAlfa]

Well the Coanda Effect is always present except the degree of intensity is diminished as the velocity of the air rushing over the surface diminishes. I think as the car following gets closer to the car in front of him the air load is diminished and the vortexes generated by the cars closer together work to unsettle the Coanda Effect. The other side to this is when we have one car following closely behind the other there is less Drag resistance to impede the car that is following but that car also has less air load for downfroce to aid the car. It is an ever changing situation. I think this is why we often see the leading car jump out to a lead as that car is in "Clean Air" and downforce is at its maximum and there is no Votrexs from air passing over other cars to impede air flow. To answer your question, when one car is following another car closely ie, 1 second or less, I do not see the Coanda Effect enhanced. I think the Coanda Effect is diminished. This is a windtunnel equation and model to be investigated to measure air bombardment of the race car in those changing conditions.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[brembo man]

Thanks. I was under the impression if the rear wing could be angeled up, airflow ---__/ the downforce would send the car flying.

[FrankAlfa]

We have to remember that the Aero principle of Coanda Effect relates to the physical aspect of how air flow follows and clings to the contour of a surface. This is what helps to direct flow and helps to aid downforce on the race car.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[FrankAlfa]

Angling the Wing UP would increase the area of Resistance = Drag = Reduced Speed. The trick is to Reduce Drag and yet increase Downforce. That is why it is so hard to make a race car have huge downforce and still be fast. Look at Sprint Cars with their huge wing. They work hard to stick to the dirt track with that rear wing.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!