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    Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo 'worried' about team's chances

    Maranello, 27 June – “I am worried and all of us should be.” With this realistic if somewhat raw statement, Luca di Montezemolo began his usual address to all the personnel at Scuderia Ferrari, gathered together in the logistics building for the meeting that takes place after every victory. “Yes, I am worried, because I expect three very tough races at Silverstone, Hockenheim and Budapest and because we have seen that Red Bull is very strong, having had four tenths in hand over everyone in qualifying and in the race it was flying away, at least until the Safety Car. If we want to achieve our goals then we must make a step forward.”

    The President’s sobre words implied that, even on this occasion, the final time the team found itself together to enjoy the sweet taste of Alonso’s win in Valencia, everyone should still have their feet on the ground. The focus is now on the triplet of races coming up in July and beyond and it’s right to underline that there is still a lot of work to do if the team is really to win the World Championship. “It’s thanks to your work, to an extraordinary driver who, not by chance, drives for Ferrari, to the strategy, the pit stops and the efforts of everyone at the track and back home, that we find ourselves leading the championship, even if we don’t have the best car,” continued Montezemolo. “Now we must ensure we do everything as well as possible because winning depends solely and exclusively on us. It would be a big mistake to think the win in Valencia means we have done enough: today we have a competitive car, but to win, we must do even more.”

    Montezemolo expressed his satisfaction with the victory at the European Grand Prix, recognising the worth of what was achieved last Sunday in a marvellous race, but he does not deny that external circumstances, such as the Safety Car and the retirement of a handful of adversaries, leant a hand. “I don’t want outsiders to think that one win is enough for us to put on a fireworks display,” he continued. “I know how much you are working, how many sacrifices have been made, but I am the first to know that that all of us, without exception, must still give something more.”

    The end of Montezemolo’s brief address was more in line with the occasion. “Let’s remember for a few more minutes that we are leading the world championship, then let’s get back to work. First of all however, I would ask you to applaud a few people. Starting with Fernando, because after a race like that, it’s the least we can do: rarely have I seen him make so many overtaking moves and show such extraordinary determination from the start to the chequered flag.

    Secondly, Felipe, this time, not in order to encourage him as was the case earlier in the season, but as a sign of faith because he knows we are counting on him: we must give him a better and more reliable car so he can achieve the results that will be good for his morale and for the classification in both championships.

    The third applause is for the pit stop guys, who have worked so much this year and have improved to the point that they are the benchmark for all the teams in a season in which the pit stops are usually decisive: they are our pride and joy. The final round of applause and I am the first to put my hands together, is for your boss. Stefano Domenicali has never shirked his responsibilities, even acting as a lightning conductor for all the criticism, protecting his people, while at the same time knowing how to demand the maximum effort, how to build a team and look to the future in a positive way and with the right sense of realism. He deserves it.”
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    “I am worried and all of us should be.”
    I am too Luca. It's not like Ferrari is dominant, but then, who is? It's a crazy season.


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    If the season ends up with teams back and forthing the entire season, then it will come down to drivers. With Alonso, I like our WDC chances

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    I see a lot of people trying to explain away Red Bulls pace from Valencia.. But I think this is a mistake
    I think that we won there due to a perfect combination of a lot of different situations. That victory was definitely not our for the taking.

    If that red bull pace was not a one off i fear that we wont be able to match it. Remember we were out of q3... that does not bode well for the near future and we cant always rely of fortunate circumstances to bring up Alonso to p3 by mid race.
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    We'll have to wait and see, but Valencia is one of those tracks that does reward aero downforce, ie. diffuser performance. If RB has gotten the blown diffuser concept to work better for them, then their advantage is going to show in Silverstone as well and the other tracks mentioned.

    Personally I am worried too, everything does indicate that Red Bull may have found the better solution to the blown diffuser concept. They have been aggressively modifying their exhaust ramp and floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    We'll have to wait and see, but Valencia is one of those tracks that does reward aero downforce, ie. diffuser performance. If RB has gotten the blown diffuser concept to work better for them, then their advantage is going to show in Silverstone as well and the other tracks mentioned.

    Personally I am worried too, everything does indicate that Red Bull may have found the better solution to the blown diffuser concept. They have been aggressively modifying their exhaust ramp and floor.
    What blown diffuser? I thought it was banned already?

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    First of all lets wait and see if the 4 tenths advantage of RedCheaters continues.

    There are some other parameters also could affect.

    1. We don't know if the RedCheaters' advantage will continue. Perhaps cannot be applied to other tracks with different layout. Or this advantage could be greater or lower.

    2. Vettel did 33 (of 57) laps in Valencia. We didn't see his tyre baheviour after the 33 lap. Noone knows what would happen at the last laps.Perhaps so many strong performance could cause tyre problems of any kind (except the mechanical which we witnessed).

    3. Perhaps the problem with Renault engines cannot be solved immediately so more bad results for them to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari4life View Post
    we cant always rely of fortunate circumstances to bring up Alonso to p3 by mid race.
    Alonso fought his way up to p2, passing everyone ahead of him; the only "fortunate circumstance" (before Vettel's retirement) was McLaren's pit screw-up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquesvw View Post
    What blown diffuser? I thought it was banned already?
    It was banned...but if you listen closely to the last two races, you can hear the different note Vettels car hits compared to everyone else's. Its very deep and throaty. Newey has definetly figured out a way around the rules. Even with his new "double floor" concept with essentially acts as a double diffuser.

    I just don't know why no one else in the paddock contests it, or why the FIA waits until someone catches on before the look into it. Luca is right, we should be worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari1.8t View Post
    It was banned...but if you listen closely to the last two races, you can hear the different note Vettels car hits compared to everyone else's. Its very deep and throaty. Newey has definetly figured out a way around the rules. Even with his new "double floor" concept with essentially acts as a double diffuser.

    I just don't know why no one else in the paddock contests it, or why the FIA wait until someone catches on before the look into it. Luca is right, we should be worried.
    But the blown diffuser ban means you can't blow air across the diffuser. Can't you still play around with engine mapping though? (which is what we are hearing)


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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari4life View Post
    we cant always rely of fortunate circumstances to bring up Alonso to p3 by mid race.
    Fernando Fortunate Circumstances Alonso.

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    I was worried immediately after the race & somebody replied that Vettel looked fast only because he was in clean air. Well, he opened up the gap so much that even Hamster was in clean air, yet Vettel was pulling away more than 1 second a lap. Even if Lotuses were not held up by Hamilton, Vettel still would have been lapping 7-8 tenths a lap quicker. The most frightening thing is that we have 3 races in 4 weeks, so practically we will be running same car for these weekends, I am afraid we will be back on 'damage limitation' mode. My only hope is our Silverstone upgrade, else Vettel looks ominous. Luca's worry is justified...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacquesvw View Post
    What blown diffuser? I thought it was banned already?
    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    But the blown diffuser ban means you can't blow air across the diffuser. Can't you still play around with engine mapping though? (which is what we are hearing)
    Well the problem is blown diffuser is just a concept and its not possible to come up with a rule that says blown diffuser is banned. Instead, the FIA have to tweak the design rules to make that concept almost impossible. So the two major changes are the exhaust placement being pulled away from the diffuser, and the engine is only allowed to run at 10% when off throttle.

    But now Red Bull overcome that by making that ramp to guide the exhaust gas to the side of the diffuser, so basically the exhaust is far away, but the gas still goes to the same place. Not as effective, but better than nothing.

    In theory, teams are still allowed to force the engine to run at 10% when off throttle which is what the rules allow, although I don't know how FIA actually monitors that. No idea of RB have found a loophole, or they are just keeping it very close to the 10% limit.

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    What worries me is that Stefano said after Monaco GP that Ferrari must focus on improving pace in quali. Yet we didn't even get in Q3 here in Valencia. So either our team doesn't know what they are doing or our drivers made mistakes or were too careful/slow.

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    We missed out by 2 tenths....
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    Red Bull's latest upgrade has been more than just a step forward, it's been a long jump. I think they'll be dominant in Silverstone so let's hope for Ferrari to do a great job with the major upgrade expected for the British GP. They don't seem to be as dominant as 2011 but without a SC and a DNF for Vettel the 1st place was his pretty soon after the start.

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    i remember ferrari were developing an exhaust layout that included an extra "tube" where hot gasses were collected and supposedly ejected them out when off throttle to keep maintain a faster flow of gasses out from the exhaust... i wonder if they stopped developing that? i just thought that would be effective even if off throttle blowing was limited to 10%. what red bull does is just puzzling - how they get around the rules and utilize exhaust blowing so efficiently. its been their weapon for the last 2 years.

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    Well Ferrari have been recruiting new engineers, the staff at Maranello are working hard, LDM fully supports Dom, we have one of the best drivers and Ferrari also fully support Massa and expect him to have better luck which means more points. Ferrari know how to win titles. Tbh, I thought LDM would say 'we're confident' rather than 'we're worried'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grillo View Post
    Red Bull's latest upgrade has been more than just a step forward, it's been a long jump. I think they'll be dominant in Silverstone so let's hope for Ferrari to do a great job with the major upgrade expected for the British GP. They don't seem to be as dominant as 2011 but without a SC and a DNF for Vettel the 1st place was his pretty soon after the start.
    There are no proofs that DNF and SC was related. We will never know if without the SC Redbulls would have the DNF or not. Probably is a greater problem than we think, probably not.
    Silverstone will tell a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister eX View Post
    Alonso fought his way up to p2, passing everyone ahead of him; the only "fortunate circumstance" (before Vettel's retirement) was McLaren's pit screw-up...
    you forget the safety car deployment as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari4life View Post
    you forget the safety car deployment as well..
    Even so, the gap between Vet and Alo seconds before the SC was not so representative.
    We mustn't forget that Nando from 11th had a lot of traffic to meet while Vet had clean air in front of him.

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    I'm interested to see what happens if Alonso and Vettel is fighting out at the front, no any cars to block them or anything.

    Although we may struggle in qualifying, our race pace is not that bad. Even if Vettel is faster, I suspect he may not have been able to pull 11 seconds ahead of Alonso before the first pit stop.

    But yeah, we need to improve our qualifying pace first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrari4life View Post
    you forget the safety car deployment as well..
    No, I didn't. That was the same for everyone (well, maybe except Massa), not just "Fernando's luck"... Also he didn't gain any positions thanks solely to the Safety Car.

    Bottom line is: he was lucky with Vettel dropping out, but worked a lot before that. His efforts throughout the race >>> luck. The win was lucky, but he could've secured a podium without luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greig View Post
    We missed out by 2 tenths....
    yes we did. That pretty much covered up to Hamilton and Vettes was another 3 tenths in front of him.

    All honestly, this season is going to be like this rest of the year. As long as Vetts and Louise take points of each other all the better, or have more DNFS, we got a great car come race day. Just did little more on the saturday. It will come.
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    RB is still 4/10s clear..He (Vettel) wouldve pulled the same gap even if Alonso was running 2nd.
    Lotus is banging on the door, their late race pace is really good. They will win a race this year. Mabey they will steal some points too.
    RB will clear up the issue they had in Spain.
    Will Mac mess up yet another race? Not likely in GB as that is their home race. Their Monza...so you can bet cookies they will be there.
    Another factor will be tires, as GB will have totally different weather than Spain.
    Why do people think RB is cheating? If they come up with an innovative idea, good for them..If we did it, no one here would say we're cheating..would they?

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    Do not forget Webber was very fast too. He started P19 and finished P4. So both RBs have been very fast in Valencia, hence LDM worries...

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    I like his words on Domenicali (though i'd rather briatore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    RB is still 4/10s clear..
    IMO this is not confirmed yet!

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    Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. RBR have played with the engine mapping and does that mean that it heats up and goes off ? Or smth. else being heated gets broken ?
    Because from what we have seen, Vettel was pulling away with ease from the other two fast cars, the car definitely generating more power in corners, thus all the details being exposed to a higher-rate usage.
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    that is only the issue if they did not setup webbers car the same. he completed the race but was not fast enough to overtake
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