2012 Hungarian GP: Qualifying Thread

[anupa2k]

As I said, you won't see real dominance this year. It's too close.

yes agreed...

[Kingdom Hearts]

Don't worry guys, we can have one race off, if Fernando finish were he is, 6th, and Hamilton win the race followed by Vettel, Fernando will go to the vacations with a 34 points lead over Vettell, not bad for bad day in the office, and the race has yet to happen, don't lose the faith in the team, I have the feeling that Massa is going to do wonders tomorrow.

[Alonsomaniac]

Talking about development, which team developed their car the fastest and the best in the first ten races?

[anupa2k]

....also we better hope that our MAJOR upgrade package for SPA will do wonders and put us in the fight at least (if not in the lead of having the fastest car) because all this advantage we gained this first half of the championship (all the hard work Alonso has put in to it) will quickly vanish if our team is starting to lose touch with the rivals...

i have faith in our team, but we really NEED to work hard and push with developments

Totally agreed...and that`s what i am talking about...Forza Ferrari..Forza Fernando....

[Greig]

Development of 2010 car was almost stop for Ferrari after Singapore gp....and that was the main reason why Ferrari lost the championship whereas Mclaren were pushing the 2010 development till the very last race...

No it was not, we even had new diffuser in Abu Dhabi, go check the F1 website technical updates. Car was updated every race till the end.

[Alonsomaniac]

Vettel has a risky first few laps tomorrow. All he wants is to get away from Fernando as fast as he can, so I expect him to attack Grosjean and maybe even Hamilton quite agressive in the first laps.
He could well go over the edge by doing that. Don't be surprised if Vettel gets in some real trouble.

[Hornet]

is that mainly due to us overcooking the tires??? hence the explination of US doing really well in WET where no one else seems to get heat into the tires....so my couch explination states that we're overheating the tires in warm condition, possibly blistering them and NOT being able to put a good lap together

IMO, that kind of problem tend to show itself more during race where the tire degradation plays a big role. In qualifying, we only see the performance over a lap, and even if its over heated and the tire lifespan is severely reduced, we won't see it in just one lap.

Right now it seems Ferrari still need to do some improvement to the qualifying pace.

[Gerhard Berger]

Talking about development, which team developed their car the fastest and the best in the first ten races?

if we compare this session to the beginning of the season then surely it is us? but i think the pecking order changes from track to track.

[anupa2k]

No it was not, we even had new diffuser in Abu Dhabi, go check the F1 website technical updates. Car was updated every race till the end.

It was Korea when they brought the diffuser updates...2 races before abu dhabi...and at abu dhabi they just worked on air management through exhaust...so that not an update or upgrade..just an tweak...

[Gerhard Berger]

....also we better hope that our MAJOR upgrade package for SPA will do wonders and put us in the fight at least (if not in the lead of having the fastest car) because all this advantage we gained this first half of the championship (all the hard work Alonso has put in to it) will quickly vanish if our team is starting to lose touch with the rivals...

i have faith in our team, but we really NEED to work hard and push with developments

Spa in general should be a better track for us. I'ts mainly high speed corners and long straights, plus quite often the race (or qualifying) is affected by rain.

[Greig]

It was Korea when they brought the diffuser updates...2 races before abu dhabi...and at abu dhabi they just worked on air management through exhaust...so that not an update or upgrade..just an tweak...

Japan - http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...0/839/798.html

Korea - http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...0/840/804.html

Brazil - http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...0/842/807.html - http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...0/842/808.html

Abu Dhabi - http://www.formula1.com/news/technic...0/841/811.html

Clearly they kept updating the car till the end and never stopped after Singapore.

[Gerhard Berger]

60% chance of rain tommorow.

[FerrariF60]

60% chance of rain tommorow.

so we DO have a chance at WIN!!!............ for rain

[FrankAlfa]

I think the interaction with the tires at each track has complicated "Set-Up" of the race cars and like Red Bull playing with Chassis Rake for speed so too are all teams trying to find the right settings. I think the team with the best "Race Set-Up" which means the most speed without eating up the tires, will win the race. There must be a place to pass or it will be just "follow the leader". We shall see if Red Bull continues to "Push the Envelope" (ie Cheat) or will they rely on their drivers to win races??? In the end, Formula One is about advancements and then pause, advancements and then pause. Today McLaren were strong in Qualifying at this track and Ferrari seem to be a bit slow here. The race will be the real test.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[DIEK]

60% chance of rain tommorow.

so we DO have a chance at WIN!!!............ for rain

[Alonsomaniac]

That was six years ago. Fernando is much better now.............

[Jose Lorca]

Vettel cheated twice on his qualifying lap. Also on the exit of turn 3:

[Dino]

Apparently, Vettel being summoned to the stewards...

So according to you he should be summoned twice?

[Greig]

Stefano Domenicali: “No surprises this afternoon in qualifying. We were well aware that we still do not have the quickest car in terms of outright performance, something we have said so often these past weeks. And we know just how little it takes to miss the cut to the next session when there are so many cars up against one another, all separated by just a few tenths. We managed to get both Fernando and Felipe into Q3 where they secured positions that are nevertheless not too bad in terms of the championship, given that the opponent currently posing the biggest threat to Fernando will start behind us. Furthermore, I would say again today what I said for the past two Saturdays, even though the results then were different and that is, the points are given out only on Sunday after the race and not on Saturday. We can expect a very difficult and demanding race tomorrow, on a track that does not allow the driver to get distracted for a moment and is also very tough on the cars. There’s a degree of uncertainty relating to the weather forecast, which also needs to be taken into account. As always, we will try and do the best we can.”

Fernando Alonso: “We were expecting a very difficult qualifying and so it was. We saw at least eight cars – two McLarens, two Force Indias, two Red Bulls and Lotus, running very competitively and therefore, just getting to Q3 was in itself a difficult target to reach. We did it and we also managed to slightly improve the handling of the car in the final part, working on the tyre pressures and the front wing. We definitely didn’t get a perfect lap: we lost a handful of tenths in a few corners. The wind was stronger than this morning and I think that took everyone a bit by surprise. All things considered, sixth place is not to be sneered at, far from it. It’s true that overtaking is definitely not easy here, but tomorrow, it might yet rain and we know that can change everything. Furthermore there’s the unknown factor regarding the behaviour of the tyres, because yesterday no one here was able to really try them over a long run. We will have to be super concentrated, especially in how we manage the tyres. In the dry, we are not yet able to fight for the very top places, and we are well aware of that. Usually, in the race, the situation improves and so we hope we can finish in the top four or five when it’s time for the chequered flag. Our aim will be to mark our closest rival in the Drivers’ classification and today we know we will be starting ahead of him. Let’s see what the situation will be tomorrow evening.”

Felipe Massa: “Not an easy qualifying for the team. Both Fernando and myself struggled to put together a perfect lap, which can be seen from the fact we were quicker in Q2 than Q3. A shame, because in Q2, I had done a good time and I was expecting to improve still further, but unfortunately, I was slower: I suddenly had less grip and a lot of oversteer, so now we must find out why. It will be very hot tomorrow and it could also rain, so we will need to be on top of whatever situation arises. We will need to study carefully the little data we have relating to tyre behaviour: from the little we could see, there is a definite degradation with the Softs, which could make itself felt even more with a full fuel load. We will have to wait and see how things turn out in what will be a long race tomorrow, but I think we are still in with a chance of fighting for a podium finish, even if we are up against very strong opposition. The Hungaroring has been the scene of several important moments in my career, starting with the cruel blow of heading for certain victory in 2008 only to be robbed of it by an engine failure, followed a year later by my accident. So many people here have remained close to me and continue to support me, so I am doubly disappointed, as I wanted to reward them with a great result this afternoon. We’ll try and do it tomorrow!”

Pat Fry: “It was a very complicated and difficult qualifying, which is actually what we were expecting. Right from Q1, Fernando struggled a bit on his first set of Mediums, but we managed to recover from that. The fight to get into Q3 was very tight and it was important to get both Felipe and Fernando into the final part of the session, even if we got there having only one set of new Softs left, which was actually the case for all bar one of the other runners. We were not able to improve our times here, in fact we were slower by over two tenths with both drivers. The main problem this afternoon was putting together the ideal lap. Tomorrow we will find ourselves in a similar situation to the one we saw in the last two races, given that because of the weather, it was not possible to properly assess the tyres over a long run. We will have to rely totally on the predictions and on watching what happens as the race evolves. Another factor could be the rain, which might play its part. We said it before, that on all levels, we don’t have the quickest car and there is still a lot of work to do to reach that target. That’s why we can’t claim to be disappointed today: the numbers never lie.”

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

So according to you he should be summoned twice?

No the first time i read it was on another forum, but it looks like it wasn't true since no other media outlets picked up on it.
Either way, looks like he has cut the track twice, and should be penalised, as opposed to some people on here stating that all four wheels have to be on the 'green part' to be penalised.

[REDARMYSOJA]

No the first time i read it was on another forum, but it looks like it wasn't true since no other media outlets picked up on it.
Either way, looks like he has cut the track twice, and should be penalised, as opposed to some people on here stating that all four wheels have to be on the 'green part' to be penalised.

I know Horner cried about Alonso doing the same thing at Hockenheim saying he should have drew a penalty, and I have been giving Red Bull and Horner some stick about this today, but, Vettel should not be penalized.

As far as I recall no driver has ever been penalized for this and they shouldn't start doing so now.

[stefa]

Hi guys. Just got back from circuit. What to say. We don't have speed. Everybody is taking about the rain. I don't know from where it will come coz today was hot as hell and now the sky is bright and clear without wind. If by some miracle tomorrow rain falls than we can hope of a win. If not it is going to be though day in the office for both Ferrari drivers. I am little bit dissapointed, because in dry conditions I am not going to see Ferrari win yet another year and I am allready waiting 8 long years. But who knows...

[Greig]

Running wide, is different to cutting the track or gaining an advantage IMO

[Dino]

[QUOTE=Jose-Lorca Fan;740354]No the first time i read it was on another forum, but it looks like it wasn't true since no other media outlets picked up on it.
Either way, looks like he has cut the track twice, and should be penalised, as opposed to some people on here stating that all four wheels have to be on the 'green part' to be penalised.[/QUOTE

I would really like to see Vettel starting right at the back,but like i have been telling you over again that all four wheels
have to be on the 'green part' to be penalised.Be sure that the teams have seen the pictures you are showing, yet nobody complained???

[Rob]

well on here it saying 100% chance of rain...

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenda...+HUXX0002:1:HU

[stefa]

It looks like for the time being that RB is not much affected with ban ontheir engine mapping... On the other hand who knows hos will that affect them in 70 and soo laps long race?

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

I would really like to see Vettel starting right at the back,but like i have been telling you over again that all four wheels
have to be on the 'green part' to be penalised.Be sure that the teams have seen the pictures you are showing, yet nobody complained???

I understand that you want to see Vettel at the back but all wheels have to be outside the white lines for a driver to be penalised. Whether he is on the green part or not is irrelevant. outside white lines = investigation. Simple.

[stefa]

well on here it saying 100% chance of rain...

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenda...+HUXX0002:1:HU

It says soo. But from what I can tell you now weather in Budapest is sunny without clouds and wind...

[Rob]

It says soo. But from what I can tell you now weather in Budapest is sunny without clouds and wind...

i know, but alot can happen in 24hrs.

another weather site...

http://www.accuweather.com/en/hu/bud...orecast/187423

[Greig]

I understand that you want to see Vettel at the back but all wheels have to be outside the white lines for a driver to be penalised. Whether he is on the green part or not is irrelevant. outside white lines = investigation. Simple.

No not really, outside of track to gain an advantage would be investigated. Drivers go over the white lines all the time.