Laptimes are here:Originally Posted by Kyss4k
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...n#.UF9VwrLN_JI
RedBull were not honest with you
Alternator fails at low revs. During SC they are at low revs but dunno if cars are running hot or not.
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Laptimes are here:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...n#.UF9VwrLN_JI
RedBull were not honest with you
Alternator fails at low revs. During SC they are at low revs but dunno if cars are running hot or not.
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ever since he signed again to RBR that his results have gone downhill.
*Conspiracy alert* was RBR giving him good car nowing he was talking to Ferrari and making him feel like he would get fair crack at title and being equal to SV.
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But we were just at Monza...
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I have to comment on that. From the posts here it seems like we idneed had great pace since the second third of the race or so. But I saw the race till the first pitstop and a little bit behind and we were loosing time a lot. After 7 laps Alonso had 12 seconds gap to Hamilton. So we are at least not quick enough in certain situations (?) Hopefully just wrong setup.
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Thanks.Laptimes are here:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...n#.UF9VwrLN_JI
RedBull were not honest with you
Alternator fails at low revs. During SC they are at low revs but dunno if cars are running hot or not.
Well I read some technical analysis back on home site some time ago, and it was confirming RedBulls theory. And why would mechanics of Vettel claim something different than Vettel himself? (he said that the SC was bad for him and after that the engeneers were telling quite the opposite)
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Singapore GP - Domenicali: A postive outcome9.23.2012
Stefano Domenicali: “It was a very difficult weekend, but the final outcome can be regarded as positive. It’s true that Fernando’s lead over the next man has been reduced, but it’s also true the Spaniard has made up points on three of his four closest rivals. As for the Constructors’, the situation is pretty much the same as before: the leader is a bit further away but second place is a tiny bit nearer. Performance today was definitely better than we had seen in qualifying, also in terms of tyre behaviour. We were rather unlucky: but for the puncture on the opening lap, Felipe would certainly have finished higher up the order and the first Safety Car period definitely wasn’t propitious. There are six Grands Prix to go to the end of the season and clearly, we need to make a step forward in terms of performance, because we cannot rely purely on the misfortune of others. Where we need to improve a lot is on circuits that require maximum aerodynamic downforce. Having said that, we mustn’t over react as it’s better to bring a few updates that work rather than bringing too many. This is the area where we need to improve and it will be one of our priorities in the coming days. The other, which is as always the number one priority, will be reliability: the further on the championship goes, the higher the price you pay for the slightest error.”
Pat Fry: “Looking at our performance overall, we cannot be happy with it compared to that of our main competitors, because there is no point denying we were expecting better. Having said that, we saw that, even in difficult conditions, we managed to get the most out of our package, doing the best possible job on track – both Fernando and Felipe did very well – and in the garage and the pit wall. Race performance was better than what we had seen yesterday and we must calmly analyse all the data to understand how we can bring the sort of performance we see in the race into play in qualifying too. As far as the strategy is concerned, I think we made the right choices. At the second stop, we could not have gone longer with Fernando, because tyre degradation was getting too high. Unfortunately, the Spaniard came out behind a group of slower cars, but there was nothing else we could have done. The first Safety Car period was helpful for those who had yet to stop at that point, but at the same time, it also gave Fernando the possibility of running to the finish without stopping again, which was definitely positive. As for Felipe, bad luck immediately affected his race, but then he did a really good job of remedying the situation, proving to be very quick on the Soft as well as the Supersoft. I have to say his final stint was particularly good: 26 laps on the Option, with overtaking moves and a very aggressive drive was a very nice surprise. We need to study carefully the way this weekend went to understand how to improve our performance level for the coming races. We don’t have the quickest car, especially on this type of circuit and it’s down to us to try and give our drivers what they need to fight our strongest opponents on level terms.”
Fernando Alonso: “In the end it went well, but we definitely can’t go on like this. It can’t always be the case that my closest rival retires, as has happened in the last two races and we can’t think of carrying on to the end of the season with qualifying sessions like yesterday’s, when our performance was almost a second off the best. On track we manage to make the most of what we have, making few or no mistakes, thanks to great work from the team: for that alone we deserve to be where we are in the classification. Today, we pulled out an advantage over three of our four main competitors, which is positive. Probably this has been the most difficult circuit for us: we will find partially similar characteristics in Korea and Abu Dhabi, but I hope that by the time we get there, we will have found a way of improving the car. The start was definitely not one of my best of the season, but luckily I managed to take back my position from Di Resta immediately. At my first pit stop I immediately ran into traffic, but I had felt the tyres were beginning to degrade too much, so we opted to pit. On the Softs, we were more competitive, but then, after the second stop, the Safety Car came out, which favoured Button and Vettel. Just before the restart, the two leaders nearly collided and I lost a few metres because I was changing settings on the steering wheel. At that point, we didn’t know yet whether we would need to stop again, but when the second neutralisation came and some drivers pitted, then we decided to stay out, even if we weren’t sure if we would suffer with tyre degradation in the final stages, but that wasn’t the case and we made it comfortably to the podium. It was a very tough race physically, definitely the most tiring of the whole season: three hundred odd kilometres in this heat and such high humidity is very stressful.”
Felipe Massa: “That was a very tough and difficult race. There’s regret for what happened at the first corner, because without the puncture, I could certainly have finished a lot closer to Fernando, which would have been important for both championships. Once I had pitted, there was not much to work out: the aim was to try and make the tyres last as long as possible, while at the same time, going as quickly as possible. Luckily, the two Safety Cars brought the pack together again, but it’s also true that I would never have thought of doing such a long stint as my last one on the Supersofts. The performance of the 2012 today was definitely very different to what we had seen on the two previous days: it seemed like I was driving a different car! Even at the end, I tried to push to make up some places and it was only in the last two laps that I switched to thinking about just bringing the car home, given that the tyres were practically gone. The move on Senna? I think the rules are very clear and one just has to respect them: I was already alongside him and he had to leave me room, but instead he squeezed me into the wall. McLaren and Red Bull are very strong, but I think that today’s result is not so bad for the team: Fernando has managed to bring home a good points haul. Of course we must improve our performance, especially in qualifying.”
http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...erent-car.aspx
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Hehe, no.Do you work on Sundays as well??I was not in work really
Somewhere else doing something waaaaay better than working
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If I said the sky was blue would you have to comment on that?
As Alonso said they found the car better on the softs and not in traffic.
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They want that WCC title, don't they?
But my conspiracy theory is, they gave Vettel better engine maps with slightly bigger exhaust blowing last year.
I have also read about it somewhere. Maybe I remeber it wrong. Doesn't matter anyway.
Last edited by wacc; 23rd September 2012 at 19:51.
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I am sorry Greig, I don't mean to offend you with my comments, so I really don't understand why you react like that.
What Alonso said, was postede here AFTER mine post so... As I said, I didn't see the race, I just got home, so I didn't have a time to check every source to find what the teams reactions are and so on. I was curious and I was writing my oppinion on things. Is it bad, that it is different than yours?
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So why are you questioning what I said when you did not see the race?
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Did you read my post Greig? Why are you doing this? I saw the part of the race, where Alonso was slow, than I read this ENTIRE thread where it is said multiple times, that our pace was great after that (and I am looking on times now and we really were quite competitive). So what what your problem is? Me? I can't react on you? Just say it and I will not do it again then... In the normal word, the discussion is based on the change of oppinions. You gave your's, and I gave mine on which you reacted like if I was attacking you or something.
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I dont see the fuss about this GP. ppl are going on and on about how spectacular it is. Sure the skyline is, but the GP just doesnt cut the mustard. Its terrible to watch, looks almost plastic.
My rant over.... Was a great race for the team in terms of damage limitation. Massas drive (especially the freaky car control vs senna) was superb. Fernando as usual milked the most out of this cow.Hopefully suzuka will suit our car better and we can get right up there.
If Vettel and Lewis have another DNF each, we should be ok the way we are going. If not, we better get some serious upgrades by suzuka or we are looking at 2010 all over again.
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Salut Gilles
So why did you pick me out with "I have to comment"? You gave your opinion without seeing it or checking? so what do you want to comment on my post for? I think we had strong race pace overall, if you don't then that's just fine.
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did anyone notice the interview with lewis after the race. He seemed far less perturbed than you would expect. Like he just didnt care that the diff to FA is now 52 points. maybe he is moving.
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Is "I have to comment" rude or something? I don't think so. It is just a starting point of the post, it has no meaning at all. And as I said twice already: I SAW THE PART, WHERE ALONSO WAS SLOW AND I CHECKED THE ENTIRE FORUM AND TIMES ON http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?p...n#.UF9bcY3N_z7! That was what I was reacting/asking on. That we didn't have the pace for the whole race, so we are not where we should be.
"I think we had strong race pace overall, if you don't then that's just fine." So why the initial reaction then...
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no, think it just showing he is growing up and realises that there still 150 points up for grabs.did anyone notice the interview with lewis after the race. He seemed far less perturbed than you would expect. Like he just didnt care that the diff to FA is now 52 points. maybe he is moving.
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Well it seems to suggest you feel I was wrong. But I can't be bothered really. Do you say "I have to comment" at the start of every post you make btw?
Meh
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No I don't. I am just trying to not make all my posts "the same". I admit I am not 100% sure in speaking/writing by your's language, so if it is offending... well, at least I know that this is not the way to start a reaction lol.
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Just want to say good work by Timo Glock and Marussia today in the race. Finish 12th
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Greig Mate, I honestly don't think he was attacking you, just giving his opinion on your comment.
FA was losing a lot of time before the 1st stop, I mean we were no where near PM. Might just be the difference in tyres though.
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Good result today to come away with 3rd.
I was thinking 5th would have been the realistic best chance so 3rd is well above expectation for this circuit.
As for Mclaren & Red Bull they may be faster but both are fragile so we need more of the same for the remaining races.
Failing that, fingers crossed they (Vettel & Hami) start fighting with each other up front & end up taking each other out leaving Alonso to play the maths game with a few 3rd’s &
4th’s to get the job done.
Be interesting to see how the “we have no team orders” game will be played out by RB & Macca as Webber & Button still have a mathematical chance.
Pity Massa can’t get his act together in qualifying & be a pain in the ass for them.
Wonder how the little bloke behind the scenes will orchestrate this one with his wicked ways.
Hopefully he wants even more of Santander’s money, hates silver but still loves the colour red.
Can’t wait.
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I still cannot understand why did they change Alonso's tyres at the same time as Maldonado. We should have learnt by now that, provided that you are quicker than the opponents you are marking, you don't stop for new tyres.
Yes there was no raw pace to challenge the front directly, but the strategy didn't help to give Fernando the slightest chance either.
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Is everyone wearing pink glasses?! Our pace today was far below good. On super soft FA was super slow. When they switched to soft, yes he was delivering some good times. If there was no retirement from LH and PM, Alonso would only be 5th. Thank God those two retired, and FA finished on podium. Race after race, Ferrari are in damage limitation mode... Sick of it! Please switch to attack mode. For the sake of winning the WDC with FA. He need at least one, but I think two will be enough wins to secure WDC.
Ferrari please give the man right tool to fight.
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Pastor was behind when he retired.
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Alonso was already ahead of Maldonado when he (PM) retired, and we can never know whether he would have been overtaken.
Winning a WDC is also about delivering consistent results through a reliable car. I think we all agree that a third place is better than a DNF.
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If you sick of it, dont watch it, same yet again, negatives.
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I knew I would be marked as Judas, by saying what I have said in previous post, anyway. Yes 3rd is FAR MORE BETTER than DNF. But Ferrari needs more than just 3rd and 2nd. We agree on that?
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for sure, it valuable points. Still more than a race win in lead.
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