New engines set to be scrapped

[FrankAlfa]

LOL, the "sound" part is the least of the issues! I remember the old "1.5L turbo" era and those things looked and sounded great! High Shrieking Sound and Billowing Flames! Those were the day!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[Kingdom Hearts]

If this happens, the teams should ask FIA to pay them the money invested so far in the V6 development.

[Hornet]

Being able to keep V8 itself is worth everything

[Nova]

I agree..back in the 80's the turbo's were novel for awhile, I secretly hated them, then they wore off. I was so estatic when the F639/640
with the V12 and semi electronic, electro magnetic gearbox came out in 89. Thats right..Ferrari was 1st with di paddle shifters. And Mansell won Brasil..I danced.

[mirafiori]

I agree..back in the 80's the turbo's were novel for awhile, I secretly hated them, then they wore off. I was so estatic when the F639/640
with the V12 and semi electronic, electro magnetic gearbox came out in 89. Thats right..Ferrari was 1st with di paddle shifters. And Mansell won Brasil..I danced.

Hi Nova, I danced around my lounge, when LH gearbox broke down in Singapore. FORZA FERRARI

[Hornet]

@Jamesallenonf1
#f1 Marussia boss calls costly new 2014 engines "threat to the sustainability of the F1 grid"

Marussia dislike it too. I'm beginning to think that the worry here is the cost of the engine itself (not the development). Each unit of the new turbo V6 may cost significantly more than V8.

[Tobes]

Like Bernie's interview...

To paraphrase... "Me and Luca don't like the new engine regs, oh, and by the way, The FIA want another $15m, we'll probably help..!"

Ha ha ha...

[Ken]

LOL, the "sound" part is the least of the issues! I remember the old "1.5L turbo" era and those things looked and sounded great! High Shrieking Sound and Billowing Flames! Those were the day!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

But but but but the sound is everything

[Rob]

Thanks Rob

That was quick the best I found after some poking around was http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi...1/7/12241.html

If memory serves me right the new engine will be about 100cc bigger but Revs down a bit from the ones used in the late 80's

Thas ok mate, i downloaded them last month.

[Rob]

Marussia dislike it too. I'm beginning to think that the worry here is the cost of the engine itself (not the development). Each unit of the new turbo V6 may cost significantly more than V8.

The first year or 2 is apparently when it will be costing the most, then after that it will level out in price. Can not remember why, do remember reading it 2 weeks ago.

[Ken]

The first year or 2 is apparently when it will be costing the most, then after that it will level out in price. Can not remember why, do remember reading it 2 weeks ago.

Aye once they have recouped the research and development costs + the factory tooling expense, the manufacturing is a straight cost .

[Hornet]

Problem is there's no any advantage apart from being appealing to the tree huggers and all that green BS. Its unnecessary.

And small teams who survive F1 year by year is going to get unnecessarily impacted especially if the economy continues to struggle next year.

[Kiwi Nick]

Like Bernie's interview...

To paraphrase... "Me and Luca don't like the new engine regs, oh, and by the way, The FIA want another $15m, we'll probably help..!"

Ha ha ha...

Spot on. Having spectacular digs for the bureaucrats at the FIA is far more important to the sport than something as silly as developing a new engine. The FIA could be run out of an old hangar building at Alconbury and it would still be the same organization. Of course the food might not be as good and the view would be different and the taxes would be higher...

Good job of reading between the lines

[SS454]

I am glad they are planning on scrapping the idea. I was one of those fans that was never going to buy an F1 ticket due to the cars potentially sounding like crap. If you have never been to an F1 event live, a big part of the experience is how unique the cars sound. Even the current V8s are a bit of a downer compared to the V10s, but they still sound like F1 cars :P

[Kiwi Nick]

When the FIA determine every little detail of the engine spec...bore, stroke, valve angle, number of cylinders, number of valves, material used in the crank, etc., it requires a completely new engine to be developed, which is very costly. If, however, they simply said 3.0 liters normally aspirated and 1.6 liters with up to 22 psi of boost, teams could either develop new engines or find existing engines that could be modified for the purpose. But when the FIA effectively design the engine the teams are stuck building to a very rigid spec and carrying the high cost of development.

There are surely existing engines from other forms of racing, LeMans diesels or Indy Car or whatever, that could be re-purposed at a fraction of the cost of developing a new formula. This is what was done with the BMW 1.5 liter turbo engines. They were developed from engines used in other forms of racing, and were quite effective. They were also very loud and belched fire. In the 20 year period from 1966-1986, when the engine regulations were 3.0 normally aspirated and 1.5 boosted, there were 19 engine suppliers offering engines in 9 different types. Turbo engines were made in I-4, V-6 and V-8. Normally aspirated engines were built in V-8, V-12, F-12 and H-16. The simple fact of the matter is that as the FIA have gotten more and more specific in their engine design regulations, engine costs have skyrocketed and the number of manufacturers willing to make engines has decreased. If the FIA really wanted to reduce costs and open up competition, they would scrap their overly restrictive specifications.

[Hornet]

I am glad they are planning on scrapping the idea. I was one of those fans that was never going to buy an F1 ticket due to the cars potentially sounding like crap. If you have never been to an F1 event live, a big part of the experience is how unique the cars sound. Even the current V8s are a bit of a downer compared to the V10s, but they still sound like F1 cars :P

Exactly! Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motor sport. The cars should be some of the fastest, loudest, and most spectacular to watch on the planet. Reducing its engine capacity and cylinders is only going to make Formula 1 car less spectacular. There are so many race cars out there with larger engine it just makes no sense to relegate Formula one down to V6. The crappy local car maker in my country can produce a car with V6 engine.

FIA sometimes seems to be losing the plot. They forget what makes F1 special and why fans are paying lots of money to watch a F1 race. Making use of Formula 1 to push some agenda that has got nothing to do with racing will only risk damaging the sport.

[SS454]

I am also sick of the cost cutting excuses for these rule changes too. The FIA has gone to engines that can't be modified like they once were, they only get a handful of engines and gearboxes to last the season. They've eliminated in-season testing, and in-fact completely reduced off season testing as well. Back in like 2002 they had budgets estimated to be around $300-400 million per year. With all this cost cutting measures introduced, why are the budgets not $150-200 million? Oh it's because if an F1 team has the sponsorship and winnings money of some $400 million per year, they will spend it ALL. Give me V10's and a salary cap, and I'd likely be happier.

[Rob]

Spot on. Having spectacular digs for the bureaucrats at the FIA is far more important to the sport than something as silly as developing a new engine. The FIA could be run out of an old hangar building at Alconbury and it would still be the same organization. Of course the food might not be as good and the view would be different and the taxes would be higher...

Good job of reading between the lines

"OFF TOPIC"
Alconbury? that just up the road from me, good air base, shame they closed it.

[Kiwi Nick]

"OFF TOPIC"
Alconbury? that just up the road from me, good air base, shame they closed it.

When your guys were of to the Falklands, we rotated a squadron of US Air National Guard A-10s in to Alconbury to cover for the RAF guys who were rotated forward to support the Falklands effort in some way. Alconbury was a pretty simple base, single runway running NW to SE. Had a great 6 weeks. We'd drop down to Huntingdon to hit a couple of pubs, my favorite was a Young's pub, can't remember the name. I particularly enjoyed eating at a restaurant in a old mill along the river, can't recall the name, but the Dover sole way excellent. Hopefully my picture is not on the local sheriff's wall.

[Raz]

I'm sorry, just go back to the monster 3liter v10s Global warming is a massive myth, fact is it's not being cause by so called "pollution" but by the Sun, it's getting hotter, it's FACT.
Tree huggers - ppppfffffft!

[Kyss4k]

I'm sorry, just go back to the monster 3liter v10s Global warming is a massive myth, fact is it's not being cause by so called "pollution" but by the Sun, it's getting hotter, it's FACT.
Tree huggers - ppppfffffft!

Even if global warming is true, F1 is one of the smallest "pollutor" out there... The biggest problem seems to be air transport so why don't they save this electric bull**** for them?. F1 is no longer pushing the technology, thanks to all of the restrictions in rules, so screw the "green" technology (after all it's not green at all).

[Ken]

Even if global warming is true, F1 is one of the smallest "pollutor" out there... The biggest problem seems to be air transport so why don't they save this electric bull**** for them?. F1 is no longer pushing the technology, thanks to all of the restrictions in rules, so screw the "green" technology (after all it's not green at all).

Well said, I share your doubts on Global warming, and if its the fear of running out of oil, there are as you suggest much bigger targets.

Also Electric = Greener sorry I am very sceptical not so much on the electic power Vs fossil fuels but the problem of the limited life batteries that have to be dealt with when they are defunct.

[Rosso Corsa]

I'm sorry, just go back to the monster 3liter v10s Global warming is a massive myth, fact is it's not being cause by so called "pollution" but by the Sun, it's getting hotter, it's FACT.
Tree huggers - ppppfffffft!

Sorry to be fussy, but global warming isn't a myth. The globe is (on average) getting warmer. It's whether global warming is being induced my mans activities that people are questioning. Personally, I think we're having an effect, but there are other natural rythms that are also having an effect. Regardless, we're supposed to be an intelligent compassionate species, so we should be trying to do better anyway.

But, that does not mean changing engines Please let's keep our V8's!

[Hornet]

Sorry to be fussy, but global warming isn't a myth. The globe is (on average) getting warmer. It's whether global warming is being induced my mans activities that people are questioning. Personally, I think we're having an effect, but there are other natural rythms that are also having an effect. Regardless, we're supposed to be an intelligent compassionate species, so we should be trying to do better anyway.

But, that does not mean changing engines Please let's keep our V8's!

Agree. I don't care if global warming is a myth or not, there's nothing wrong improving the world and finding alternative energy.

But Formula 1 is the wrong place for that. There are more exciting things to focus on first like developing fusion nuclear energy. Progress have been made and someday, this will be the cleanest and most efficient energy source.

[eddie]

1.6 turbo, might as well be racing my wife's JCW Mini CooperS... pfft...

[Nova]

Global warming is real, but its not people causing it as they may have u believe..its simply the way the earth rotating.
da da daaaa....end of days...gloom...Just kidden...

[Red passion]

Global warming is real, but its not people causing it as they may have u believe..its simply the way the earth rotating.

i knew it, i will never recycle again.