More than a little bit exaggerated. What was the car today? Crap?Originally Posted by Kyss4k
EDIT: Of course Fernando have done a stunning job. I dont want to take any credit away from him.
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More than a little bit exaggerated. What was the car today? Crap?
EDIT: Of course Fernando have done a stunning job. I dont want to take any credit away from him.
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No doubt that Fernando is an absolutely fantastic racing driver, but do you really think that he'd be fighting for WDC in HRT or Caterham? I really think NOT! The reason why Fernando is still fighting for WDC is because Ferrari has given him a decent enough car to be in this position. Nobody, absolutely nobody could be fighting for WDC with a total **** car. Ferrari deserves to get at least some of the credit for this, dont you think?
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Kind reminder, Alonso works for Ferrari. Alonso produces for Ferrari.
He gets the WDC with a Ferrari car. Just like Schumacher did / kimi did, and so many before him.
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I read a lot of criticism in here.
Now while criticism is cherished right of free speech, however there are 2 types of critique.
Negative which demoralizes the team the drivers and us at times and we get too much of that.
Positive criticism which shows the true nature of being a "team" fan, positive criticism enhances your opinion, helps with aiding the direction of the team the drivers and the fans.
In short if you dont have something good or positive to say, then dont
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I think 4th and 5th was a very good result, all things considered.
The constant negativity on a Saturday is tiresome; not sure how many times it has to be said that the race (and points) is on SUNDAY.
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Reading comments from drivers post-qual, I get an impression that Vettel is wary of MacLaren and Ferrari threat (though he does not mention teams) and at the same time Lewis seems to be bullish about Macs race pace. This makes for a prospect of an interesting race and hopefully we are right there with our race pace. What matters to me tomorrow is Alonso getting more points than Vettel.
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Oh come on... You only give credit where credit is really due. And I do not see this being the case with our car this year. Except maybe if you think being the 3rd fastest only since Barcelona is worth praising.No doubt that Fernando is an absolutely fantastic racing driver, but do you really think that he'd be fighting for WDC in HRT or Caterham? I really think NOT! The reason why Fernando is still fighting for WDC is because Ferrari has given him a decent enough car to be in this position. Nobody, absolutely nobody could be fighting for WDC with a total **** car. Ferrari deserves to get at least some of the credit for this, dont you think?
Maybe we should have been giving credit for that catastrophic strategy mistake in 2010 in Abu Dhabi as well?
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Pretty much what I think as well, but I'd rather say what I think after the race... for now I am just waiting for the race :)
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Well let me say that I feel,Alonso will end his career with Ferrari,and no as much i like Alonso,total credit should not go to only Alonso!! Cuz the team has done everything else right,in terms of strategy and pit stops,so it's totally wrong to see it's just Alonso!! Circumstances did help him,and yes he didn't put a foot wrong,but during those circumstance the team didn't put a foot wrong also,so credit goes to the entire team also!!
Formula 1 will continue Even long after Alonso has retired! Honestly I was always just an Alonso fan,still am big time,but seeing soo many of the Ferrari fans really supporting the team,even when the odds are against them and not losing hope,even when it seems sometimes that all is lost,is amazing,Guys you have won me over!! I Will Support the Ferrari team even after Alonso is gone,and no more in Ferrari!!
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I don't mind if McLaren could get ahead of Vettel and put Alonso and Vettel directly in competition, all we need is Alonso ahead of Vettel. Lewis can win the race, I don't mind.
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Well, Suzie, Mr. Alonso isn't that far off the negativity mark at the moment either:
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...-against-Newey!
I'm sure a few people inside Ferrari can read between those lines.
Or is he, like Grieg would say, a spoilt brat too?
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Couldn't agree more, didn't frankly expect even that after FP3 but the boys did as well as the car will allow, sad truth though it is. Doesn't mean we can't perform tomorrow, and after Felipe's previous disasters in FP 1/2, he needs a pat on the back. Still can't believe that RB is totally legal, though, against both us and Mclaren. Something's fishy, I feel, but let's just see how it unfolds tomorrow and be positive, hard as it is.
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Bravoto this!
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Ferrari have promised nothing except to try their best. You're believing promises from the wrong people, liars and rumour peddlars who force feed us misinformation week in week out. Well, I'm glad it's them and you who have the worst ride during an F1 season. It's just a shame you have to bring our team and supporters down with you.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi.../10/13971.html
Excuses excuses and some more excuses...
p.s. It's striking for me that SD has just realized that the game has changed since 2008. Took him a while!!!
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Correct me if I am, wrong but aren't Mr. Fry and Mr. Domenicali told that we will have big things for India? On the other side we didn't come up to what is big for them and what is really big.
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I see no excuses, maybe you just like to whine like a little spoilt brat, stamp your feet too do you?
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Best Iīve read for a very long time here...so true.
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So many empty words...
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Let's hear you be critical of Alonso firstly then.
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such as?
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Well friends, not that I don't hope anymore, but the title chances are slipping out of Fernando's hands. Even if he manages to win it this year, it'll be due to RBR's and McLaren car failures. Well, not that he didn't win in 2005 and 2006 due to luck, which was because of Kimi's car failures in 2005 and Michael's car failure at Suzuka and San Paolo.
But, like I've said countless times, we lack a true and charismatic team leader, the one that'll keep every bit of thing under control, which SD doesn't.
Everything has gone upside down since Todt left the team. The tunnel has broken, pit-stop failures until this year, slow cars and nothing innovative, nothing. Copy&paste from other teams. Look at Sauber, look how their management with the resources they have they squeeze them out to give the best car possible in their scenario, while we've been promised a damn fast car for last year, for this year, because, look, they stopped the development of previous cars to start from scratch etc etc.
Man, there is no direction in this team, there is no continuation, and I'm not talking about the crew, which is the best one in Formula 1, I am talking about managing this huuge project efficientlly and in the right direction. SD has been working for a life for Ferrari, I'm not blaming him as a professional, as a man, he's just not the right person, asset for such a task. He will be much more efficient in being something else, but not Team Principal.
There is no thinking outside the box, nothing innovative that'll put them to fight RBR toth to tooth every race and even be ahead, like we used to be. Domenicalli seems to me like a kind white rabbit next to the sharks from other teams in the paddock. It doesn't matter, cheat, do smth. illegal and cover it wisely like the RBR do, but do it, try it because after all this is the world of F1, where every bit of thing matters in the end.
So, to conclude all this - the problem is not in the car, in the wind-tunnel, in Felipe Massa, it's in the not up to the task head management.
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Sorry have to say it again, and as Suzi keeps pointing out its not over until the last lap on Sunday so keep the positive vibs going "every little helps"I read a lot of criticism in here.
Now while criticism is cherished right of free speech, however there are 2 types of critique.
Negative which demoralizes the team the drivers and us at times and we get too much of that.
Positive criticism which shows the true nature of being a "team" fan, positive criticism enhances your opinion, helps with aiding the direction of the team the drivers and the fans.
In short if you dont have something good or positive to say, then dont
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CAVALLINO RAMPANTE PER SEMPRE
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Wow, man... You seem to love this phrase!
If you actually have something to say then say it.. Like a real argument for a change... If not please stop calling others "spoilt brats", just because they would like to share their opinion.
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woow... copying others to get where we are is great for ferrari!!! top engineers. Ferrai keeps on and on bringing a mediocre car at the beginning of the year, then once others come up with new ideas.. they copy and paste on their car!!! that what they have been doing in the past few seasons... Cannot, why should the fans keep on supporting, inability to innovate, inability to be creative, inability to come up with a car that others would copy!!! WHY... Ferrari used to be the a car that everybody, even newey would look at and say, they are fast... how do we get there... they used to copy ours, investigate our design... Remember the spygate... Started when we came up with a flexi floor!!! So dominica comes and suddenly we can innovate anymore, we come up with theNo doubt that Fernando is an absolutely fantastic racing driver, but do you really think that he'd be fighting for WDC in HRT or Caterham? I really think NOT! The reason why Fernando is still fighting for WDC is because Ferrari has given him a decent enough car to be in this position. Nobody, absolutely nobody could be fighting for WDC with a total **** car. Ferrari deserves to get at least some of the credit for this, dont you think?
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Last edited by Rob; 27th October 2012 at 12:42.
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How would you and a few others here have coped with very dry 14 years pre the Schumacher and Brawn era
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Samo ol same ol in every interview he gives. We were at the pick from 1999, we won everything, it was natural that someone else will take us from throne (which is true), and that our time will come again. We almost did it in 2008 and 2010 (ALMOST) but didn't due to lack of luck in 2008 and lack of brain in 2010. Than about how the rules of the game has been changed, we fall behind in CFD and in wind tunnel, that next year will will have a car right from the start capable of winning races (sound familiar?), etc.
Let me ask you something. Can I?
Are you really happy with how the thing are going on in Ferrari since 2006, 2007?
Be honest to yourself first...
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