2012 Indian GP: Race Thread

[Hermann]

I still don't understand how Red Cow's floor panel scraping problem disappeared so quickly?
The only explanation is that they do have somekind of a button inside their cars which enables them to regulate ride height. Problems like what Vettel had don't just magically disappear. I'm really starting to question FIA's competence.
And that front wing was moving and flapping up'n'down like crazy. How the hell FIA guys don't notice that and do something about it, I'll never know!
It's obvious that there's something suspicious about Red Cow's car.

For how long are they gonna get away with it?!
Come on FIA wake up and smell the coffee!

They have been doing that since years, why stop them now? That wouldn't make sense.

Actually i appreciate innovative design. I just wish we had some aerodynamic genius inside the engineering department too.

[Greig]

Or the leading edge that was touching the ground wore away due to it hitting the ground.

[Tifoso84]

They have been doing that since years, why stop them now? That wouldn't make sense.

Actually i appreciate innovative design. I just wish we had some aerodynamic genius inside the engineering department too.

Yes, you're right they have been cheating for years. LOL
And yea why stop them, let them cheat as much as they want, it's fun! Maybe we should change Formula 1's name into "Red Bull Racing cheating championship". Then at least everybody would know what the rules are.

[Greig]

When Ferrari dominated, they all said it was because we cheated, FIA helped us yada yada, seems the circle is now complete.

We are not being cheated, we are just not doing a good enough job.

[Tifoso84]

When Ferrari dominated, they all said it was because we cheated, FIA helped us yada yada, seems the circle is now complete.

We are not being cheated, we are just not doing a good enough job.

When we dominated then there wasn't any clear evidence that would've suggested that we were cheating. No flapping front wings or sudden changes in ride height. We just had the better car, no cheating whatsoever. But with RB it's plain to see that something's not right. Everyone can see that. You don't seriously think that the Red Cow's flapping front wing was normal, do you?

[Greig]

When we dominated then there wasn't any clear evidence that would've suggested that we were cheating. No flapping front wings or sudden changes in ride height. We just had the better car, no cheating whatsoever. But with RB it's plain to see that something's not right. Everyone can see that. You don't seriously think that the Red Cow's flapping front wing was normal, do you?

we had flexing wings long before Red Bull were even in the sport. Sudden changes in ride height? lol

[F1NAC]

i heard that broken part of his front wing stuck under floor

[LightAmaterasu]

Massa's DRS trick on Kimi was awesome

It was, it was, it was! i enjoyed it very much!

[Tifoso84]

As long as Red Cow gets away with it, kudos to them. If it was Ferrari with that flapping front wing and floor panel scraping against the asphalt then I wouldn't say a word. I'm just jealous. LOL
We just have to learn how to "cheat" as well as they do, I guess.

[Greig]

As long as Red Cow gets away with it, kudos to them. If it was Ferrari with that flapping front wing and floor panel scraping against the asphalt then I wouldn't say a word. I'm just jealous. LOL
We just have to learn how to "cheat" as well as they do, I guess.

Get away with what? Crying cheat because we are not winning is really classy.

You make it sound like the t-tray is always scraping the floor, it has happened once while under DRS, clearly it was not a normal thing to happen.

[wacc]

"I think it was a bolt that has come out of one of the front parts of the plank, and it is that that sparked and then dropped off," explained Horner, when asked by AUTOSPORT about the matter.

"Unless it is something else that was caught underneath the car, but it seemed to disappear within a lap or so."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103844

[Tifoso84]

Get away with what? Crying cheat because we are not winning is really classy.

You make it sound like the t-tray is always scraping the floor, it has happened once while under DRS, clearly it was not a normal thing to happen.

I have my "Ferrari" tinted glasses on and I'm not going to apologise for that.

[Rosso Corsa]

Adrian Newey said it was debris that caught underneath Vettels car - Source

Adrian Newey admitted that the Red Bull pit wall did have some concerns that runaway Indian GP winner Sebastian Vettel could have run into problems after the front skidblock on his RB8 broke in the closing stages.

With a comfortable lead of over ten seconds, Vettel ran into an unexpected late scare when sparks started flying from the underside of his car as the right-front part of the 'teatray' started scraping on the ground.

Although he comfortably saw out the remaining laps to win his fourth straight race, and the issue isn't expected to cause any problems in post-race scrutineering, Red Bull's technical chief Newey revealed they did have to conduct some telemetry checks to make sure all was okay.

"It looks Seb ran wide and probably knocked one of the front skids off which in itself isn't a problem. The danger would be if it went under a rear tyre [and] caused a puncture," he told Sky Sports F1.

"So we had a good look at the pressures, make sure that everything looked okay, seemed fine."

[Greig]

I have my "Ferrari" tinted glasses on and I'm not going to apologise for that.

You must not have got the how to have class and dignity in defeat set of glasses then

[Tifoso84]

You must not have got the how to have class and dignity in defeat set of glasses then

uhuh, whatever you say mate.

[Hornet]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103844

If that's the case, then I think they were lucky it stopped after 1 lap, otherwise the plank would surely wear off more than what the rule allowed by the end of the race.

[Tifoso84]

Adrian Newey said it was debris that caught underneath Vettels car - Source

Okay yea, that explains it then. That actually makes sense. I retract my previous accusations.

[Rob]

Domenicali: "Alonso was simply amazing!"10.28.2012

Stefano Domenicali: “What a race that was from Fernando, simply amazing! Yesterday, he’d said he would tackle this race like a sixty lap qualifying session and he was true to his word: on the attack from start to finish, the only one from the top ten on the grid to make up places by the end. This second place is all down to his talent, to his aggressive approach and the fact he never wants to give up, backed up by a team that is doing the maximum to give him a car that is worthy of him. Sure, we leave India with a bigger gap to the leader of the Drivers’ championship than when we got here, but this race should not leave those who are ahead in a calm and relaxed mood. Fernando and Ferrari will not slacken their efforts by a centimetre, right to the end of this long season. Felipe drove a good race, attacking in the first stint, but then on the defensive in the second, partly due to some limitations that occurred in the management of the fuel. In any case, his sixth place is very valuable in light of the Constructors’ classification, in which we have managed to increase our lead over the third placed team, even if the leaders have pulled even further away. There are three more finals to go, up against very strong opponents, but they are not unbeatable. I recall that, in 1982, the Italian football team was definitely not the strongest but went on to win that year’s World Cup. We believe in our chances and I’m sure that so do all our fans!”

Fry: "With a driver like this, we can fight all the way to the end"10.28.2012

Pat Fry: “A great result considering our grid positions. Fernando produced yet another amazing performance in what has been an incredible season for him: finishing second having started fifth in a race where overtaking moves are a rare commodity, despite the double DRS zone is really an encouraging sign. Fernando made the most of the opening laps to be able to dispense with the two McLarens and then he set off in pursuit of the Red Bulls, getting past one of them. We made the most of our better top speed and the choice in terms of gear ratios. At the start, we could have opted for a two stop strategy, but as the race evolved we were able to make just one while, at least with Fernando, still being able to push from start to finish. Unfortunately, Felipe was unable to do the same because in the second part of the race, he had to manage his fuel consumption, which prevented him from getting the most out of the car. All the same, this was a positive weekend for him and he brought home points that are important for the Constructors’ championship. We must improve the performance of our car in qualifying and that’s why we are working flat out to bring some updates to every race from now to the end of the season. If we manage to get our drivers further up the starting grid, then we can put Red Bull under pressure: at the moment, Sebastian Vettel is flying away too easily, leading from the start. We know we can count on a really great driver and, alongside him, we will fight right to the end of the Brazilian Grand Prix.”

Alonso: "One of the best races of the year"10.28.2012

Fernando Alonso: “We can fight the Red Bulls, but at the moment, we still don’t have a car capable of winning. Once again this year we have seen that, in the race, the situation is much better than in qualifying. A great start, a great first lap, a good top speed and the right tyre management produced, along with me driving at 120% for each of the sixty race laps, this second place. We did what we could, as at every race: if, come the end of the championship we will have won, then no one will be able to say it was down to mistakes from the others, but because we always did the maximum. We will already have some updates in Abu Dhabi: let’s hope we can make a step forward because it will be important to start making up the points gap there already. There are 75 points up for grabs which is a lot. I am still optimistic even if we are all aware that we have to improve our performance, especially on Saturday. I don’t know if this was my best performance of the season, as it’s always difficult to make that sort of call. I am particularly keen on the one in Valencia or at Monza, but this one is definitely up there: I pushed from start to finish, maybe taking some more risks in overtaking compared to previous races. Today, after the start, I tried to immediately attack the McLarens getting into their slipstream. They were fighting among themselves and maybe they forgot about me and I managed to get past at least one of them. Then I also managed to overtake Button just a few laps later, but the time lost in those few laps allowed the two Red Bulls to pull out a bit of a gap. In the second stint, I made the most of Webber’s problems with the KERS to overtake him: yet again we have seen that anything can happen and that the races are always long and difficult...”

Massa: "A very hard fight: important points for the championship"10.28.2012

Felipe Massa: “It was a very tough fight, from start to finish. After around 20 laps, I was told from the pitwall that I had to try and save fuel, so I ended up doing over half the race without being able to go flat out and I can assure you, it was definitely not easy, because Kimi was always very close to me. It wasn’t the result I wanted, but all the same, these are important points for the Constructors’ championship. The time lost in FP2 cost me dear, mainly because we were unable to optimise our package. The duel with Kimi after the pit stop? I managed to come out of pit lane in front, but then I let him through at Turn 3 because he was still very close and I wanted to have the DRS down the straight. I think he realised that, but by then it was too late and I had the advantage and managed to get by. Now we go to Abu Dhabi, which is something of a second home race for Ferrari, as we have the beautiful theme park there. Let’s hope we have some more updates on the car and can secure a better result than this sixth place.”

[Rosso Corsa]

Okay yea, that explains it then. That actually makes sense. I retract my previous accusations.

I was skeptical too. It pays to be suspicious

[Tifoso84]

Stefano Domenicali: ...but this race should not leave those who are ahead in a calm and relaxed mood."

I hope it does leave those who are ahead of us in a calm and relaxed mood. Let them relax. The last thing we want is them to take us seriously by putting even more effort into developing their car. Let them be calm and relaxed. That'd be perfect if they would underestimate us. I would even be willing to sing a lullaby to Adrian Newey just so that he would be completely relaxed and take a little nap, while our guys in Maranello would be working on new updates 24/7.

Sleep Adrian, sleep...

[Dino]

Or the leading edge that was touching the ground wore away due to it hitting the ground.

Hardly,..what rubs on to the track is made of tungsten or chrome moly !! [reason for the sparks]

http://imgbox.com/abdWAG5P

[Greig]

Hardly,..what rubs on to the track is made of tungsten or chrome moly !! [reason for the sparks]

http://imgbox.com/abdWAG5P

So the plank can never wear away? so whats the point in it then

[Dino]

i heard that broken part of his front wing stuck under floor

Crap......a broken part off a front wing will not let off sparks against tarmac !!

[Greig]

Crap......a broken part off a front wing will not let off sparks against tarmac !!

Why not? I have seen front wings sparking when they hit the ground.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22072011/2/photo/sparks-fly-wing-rosberg-germany-steers-mercedes-formula-car-during.html

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/image/52728.html

[Dino]

So the plank can never wear away? so whats the point in it then

The plank can still can wear away,but not at that particular point.
It is protected by small blocks of Tungsten at the leading edges.
See photo of Ferrari plank.
http://imgbox.com/abdWAG5P

[REDARMYSOJA]

You make it sound like the t-tray is always scraping the floor, it has happened once while under DRS, clearly it was not a normal thing to happen.

Is the T-tray part of the legality plank anyway? I don't think it is so it wouldn't matter if it was scraping away or not.

[Dino]

Is the T-tray part of the legality plank anyway? I don't think it is so it wouldn't matter if it was scraping away or not.

The plank is closer to the ground than the T-tray.Measurements are done on the plank,and the skid plates are made of Titanium not Tungsten sorry.

[Dino]

Why not? I have seen front wings sparking when they hit the ground.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22072011/2/photo/sparks-fly-wing-rosberg-germany-steers-mercedes-formula-car-during.html

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/image/52728.html

They must be using Titanium there too then !

[DIEK]

ecco il "terzo elemento" Red Bull che potrebbe azionare meccanicam il fondo...fonte RaiSport






Edit.

Translation:

Here is the "third element" Red Bull could operate meccanicam the car floor... source RaiSport

(a hidden mechanical key)

[Rob]

@Diek

Translation please....