United States GP - Qualifying Thread

[anuragiyer8989]

Where would he go instead? He's burnt his bridges at Mclaren. Boullier is not too fond of him, so Lotus is out. Mercedes are building around Hamilton and Red Bull are built around Vettel.

He could look at Force India.....mallya would pay a fortune for him...not that he has any ;).
He could go to Sauber.....could even become their No.1 driver!

[Tifoso84]

swap vettel for Alonso???

Ohhh geez, put Alonso in Newey's cars and we'd be in much worse situation than we are now. Better not even think about that.

[varun]

Ohhh geez, put Alonso in Newey's cars and we'd be in much worse situation than we are now. Better not even think about that.

[brava]

swap vettel for Alonso???

Vetted would be lousy in the current F2012
The problem is with the car, not with Alonso

[Gerhard Berger]

I just want to know where this gap between Alonso and Massa comes from ... That's amazing ... I would also say I think I have a bad dream ... Alonso lost all his skills within two weeks?
I might be wrong but did they mentioned that Massa don't get all the new parts as the haven't produced enough ... so if this right ... just kick the updates ...

Take Alonso out of Parque Ferme and work on the setup all night long and start tomorrow from pit lane ... it can't come worse ...

Just better at getting heat into the tyres. Happened at Spa last year too.

Can't really have a go at alonso. It's the first time he's been outqualified by Massa this season (Monza was only because of the anti roll bar). Vettel has been outqualified 8 times by Webber yet for some reason everyone seems to think he is some sort of qualifying master.

[Forzi]

Funny how people are going "abandon ship" Ferrari is the 2nd team in the WCC and Fernando is 2nd in the WDC. You call that a dog car and a team worth sacking? Don't make me laugh. The only reason why we are not 1st in the WDC and WCC is Newey. Get him out of the picture and everyone would be happy this year, everyone would have been happy in the last two years. People speaking, as if we were down with the HRT...

[anuragiyer8989]

meh, he needs to motivate the team. Everyone in the team is probably feeling very down, he needs to rally them for tommorow.

IMO, it's the team who should be motivating him......giving him a better car......it feels as if he's carrying them on his shoulders!

[fadyferrari]

I like him, if we had too and Luca felt need too, then i be happy for Flav to run us. But, Stefano good and doing good job. The team needs time to gel, as for the changes this year.

Sacking people just throws more instability into the team. Keep the team as the are, hire more people if needed (is needed) and get everyone and software working as 1 machine.

Forza Ferrari

dont think a man with briatore's ego would gel with stefano,unless stefano is assigned to work "under"him....no matter how much some people here say that stefano has done a good job and all,he is not deserving of the team principle role.....we need someone who can take the team by the scruff of the neck and force it on the right path....after all its up to the team principal to making the choices when it comes to hiring the right people and putting them in the best position in the team.....just keeping your head down and working hard is not good enough,if u dont know where u r headed,no matter how hard u work!!!clearly we need a dog who can not just bark,but bite too when needed(ala JOHN TODT)

[FFFerrari]

Come on with the negativity people! It's the quali, not the race. Lets cry after that if it's needed, shall we? I'm just happy to watch the race at a "normal" time on Sunday and I'm not going to wish any ill to any driver, just good luck to our boys!

[Tifoso84]

is there no way we can persuade Rory byrne to come out of retirement???i personally have the feeling that he is the one who could give newey a run for his money!

Yea, you're absolutely right. I'm sure that with Rory designing our cars again we'd be much more competitive in no time. Luca has to get him out of retirement with whatever the cost.

PLEASE RORY COME BACK!

[LightAmaterasu]

Fernando wasn't his flawless self today was he? He just seemed slow and demotivated... I mean saying things like " we will hope" it doesn't seem like him. What I don't get is the gap between him and felipe.. I didn't watch the entire thing so can someone tell me if it was the car's set up that was at fault or if alonso made errors?

[fadyferrari]

Funny how people are going "abandon ship" Ferrari is the 2nd team in the WCC and Fernando is 2nd in the WDC. You call that a dog car and a team worth sacking? Don't make me laugh. The only reason why we are not 1st in the WDC and WCC is Newey. Get him out of the picture and everyone would be happy this year, everyone would have been happy in the last two years. People speaking, as if we were down with the HRT...

ok....i'm sure u think that ferrari is the best team in f1 right?all of us consider it to be so....
and do u know the strongest weapon of the best?ADAPTATION!something we clearly havent been able to do,considering the resources we have,and that my friend creates FRUSTRATION!catch my drift?

[Forzi]

Fernando wasn't his flawless self today was he? He just seemed slow and demotivated... I mean saying things like " we will hope" it doesn't seem like him. What I don't get is the gap between him and felipe.. I didn't watch the entire thing so can someone tell me if it was the car's set up that was at fault or if alonso made errors?

Felipe was fast all this weekend, was faster in every part of the quali. The lad was just faster, like at some some of the season. Maby he found better ways to go around the circuit, maby he found a better setup, who knows, these things happen.

[Rob]

IMO, it's the team who should be motivating him......giving him a better car......it feels as if he's carrying them on his shoulders!

[bonzo]

Well this year is pretty much done. Ferrari have to get on track with the Radical Red Bull race car for next year. The morphing Red Bull F1 race car is a LIVING ORGANIC product and tool for Vettel to use to crave up the competition. Ferrari have to take the rules book and find the limits of what can be tried then apply every bit of Aero knowledge they have to create the kind of products the Red Bull team have for the past 4+ years.

Ciao.
Before doing this they have to find new management and aero boss, capable of reading the rule books and capable of finding the
limits and implementing things on the edge of the rules.


Forza Ferrari!!!!

[Need4speed]

We will win tomorrow. JUST WAIT AND SEE

[stefa]

I think i already did that last year- here you go:

Fantastic

[FFFerrari]

Fernando wasn't his flawless self today was he? He just seemed slow and demotivated... I mean saying things like " we will hope" it doesn't seem like him. What I don't get is the gap between him and felipe.. I didn't watch the entire thing so can someone tell me if it was the car's set up that was at fault or if alonso made errors?

Fernando had really hard time heating the tyres cause he has perfected a smooth, conservative yet fast driving style. Cold, slippery track, too hard tyre compounds meant a lot of problems. It's a real possibility that he will have a tough start of the race and will have problems after the (likely only) pitstop. Felipe's style is more aggressive to the tyres and heats them up a bit faster.

[LightAmaterasu]

Felipe was fast all this weekend, was faster in every part of the quali. The lad was just faster, like at some some of the season. Maby he found better ways to go around the circuit, maby he found a better setup, who knows, these things happen.

Thanks ! So if it was a set up issue then our race is probably not going to be that great then... :o

[theforce]

So much negativity here, yeah we know the car needs improvement and Alonso deserves better....move on

Everyone will be eating their shoes come the race tomorrow, Seb has more to lose, Alonso on full attack mode and hopefully Lewis chips in.

[WS6TransAm01]

It was so sad watching Fernando struggle with the car as much as he did today. Seeing it first hand only made it worse.

Did we go backwards from yesterday or did everyone else just make a giant leap forward?

[fadyferrari]

i know many people say theres always next year and the big change in 2014,but fernando has hit his peak in terms of motivation and skill now.....dont know how much longer he will be able to sustain it....losing 2 championships while having 1 hand firmly around them must be really exhausting and demoralising.....

[stefa]

RBR won this title fair and square mates. Stop the yapping about them cheating. If they did cheat, they deserve it even more, because they managed to get away with it. We did the same in our days, and we were constantly called cheats. Get over it. It's off to 2013, support the team, hope that we'll have a better year.

Completely there with you! But that next year needs to come as soon as next 2013.

[Rob]

Jennie Gow ‏@JennieGow
Webber under investigation for failing to stop at a weigh-in after qualifying. MSC and Alonso blocking incident also under investigation

[Forzi]

ok....i'm sure u think that ferrari is the best team in f1 right?all of us consider it to be so....
and do u know the strongest weapon of the best?ADAPTATION!something we clearly havent been able to do,considering the resources we have,and that my friend creates FRUSTRATION!catch my drift?

Sadly enough, resources are not the main thing that gives a team a title. You may have all the money in the world, all of the best engineers, a history full of victorious years, but that wont guarantee you a title. One good idea sometimes is enough. Have a good exhaust system, or a double diffusor, or a f-duck. That will give you an edge against others, for enough time to run away, untill your rivals understand what you did. Some people forget that. That's why demanding Ferrari to "just" give a good car to Fernando, to just build a car like in the 2004, to just find more pace then RBR is a really silly statement. Some teams sometimes strugle, some teams sometimes win. Ferrari aint an exception.

[Rob]

United States GP - Another uphill struggle for the Scuderia in qualifying11.17.2012

Austin, 17 November – From Abu Dhabi to Austin, the result of qualifying for Scuderia Ferrari has not changed: seventh and ninth places at the track alongside Ferrari World Abu Dhabi and seventh and ninth on the new and spectacular circuit on the outskirts of the Texan capital. One small difference, the drivers are the other way round this time, with Massa ahead of Alonso. If you take into account the fact that the two Ferrari men will move up a place on the grid because Grosjean takes a penalty for having to change his gearbox, which therefore puts them on the dirty side of the grid, a negative picture of the day is complete.

Felipe’s best time in Q3 was a 1.36.937, while Fernando posted a 1.37.300: Vettel took pole in 1.35.657, thus creating the biggest gap since the start of the season. Today, the main problem was clearly getting the tyres to the correct operating temperature, which in fact was also the case yesterday. Tomorrow looks like being a very tough race in which the main aim will be to keep the championship fight alive to Brazil.

http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...ualifying.aspx

[Tifoso84]

It was so sad watching Fernando struggle with the car as much as he did today. Seeing it first hand only made it worse.

Did we go backwards from yesterday or did everyone else just make a giant leap forward?

It was these ***** Pirelli tyres that killed us today. We just couldn't get any heat into them.

[Rob]

Sadly enough, resources are not the main thing that gives a team a title. You may have all the money in the world, all of the best engineers, a history full of victorious years, but that wont guarantee you a title. One good idea sometimes is enough. Have a good exhaust system, or a double diffusor, or a f-duck. That will give you an edge against others, for enough time to run away, untill your rivals understand what you did. Some people forget that. That's why demanding Ferrari to "just" give a good car to Fernando, to just build a car like in the 2004, to just find more pace then RBR is a really silly statement. Some teams sometimes strugle, some teams sometimes win. Ferrari aint an exception.

[LightAmaterasu]

Fernando had really hard time heating the tyres cause he has perfected a smooth, conservative yet fast driving style. Cold, slippery track, too hard tyre compounds meant a lot of problems. It's a real possibility that he will have a tough start of the race and will have problems after the (likely only) pitstop. Felipe's style is more aggressive to the tyres and heats them up a bit faster.

True that. Fernando has always had more issues with tyre warming,.. But tbh tyre heating issues are something we've had a while now and that we haven't yet gotten around to finding a solution is a little sour to take. Esp when we know our driver is more vulnerable to struggle in that area..

[LightAmaterasu]

Sadly enough, resources are not the main thing that gives a team a title. You may have all the money in the world, all of the best engineers, a history full of victorious years, but that wont guarantee you a title. One good idea sometimes is enough. Have a good exhaust system, or a double diffusor, or a f-duck. That will give you an edge against others, for enough time to run away, untill your rivals understand what you did. Some people forget that. That's why demanding Ferrari to "just" give a good car to Fernando, to just build a car like in the 2004, to just find more pace then RBR is a really silly statement. Some teams sometimes strugle, some teams sometimes win. Ferrari aint an exception.

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