United States GP - Qualifying Thread

[fadyferrari]

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
No further action taken against Michael Schumacher for moment with Fernando Alonso in Q1

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
Mark Webber given reprimand over weighbridge incident

steward-mark why didnt u show up at the weighbridge after Q1....???

mark-i drive for RBR sucka!!!!

[Rosso Corsa]

Sorry Fernando but the world championship is finished, it is gone ... we just have to hope for the next year ...

Thank goodness Fernando and our team don't give in so readily

[Nova]

Giving it 100% every weekend with the f2012 isn't enough for you?

I dont see why Ferrari HAS to win every race for people to be a fan or tifosi or whatever.
Sack this guy, fire that one. These r people u r talking about. Some a u guys r pretty cold.
Do u think they want to Q down there? Do u think they dont want to win? Do u think they arent trying?
These are men and women of honor representing the most famous marque in the entire world, or universe...as far as we know...
Id like to also mention that I dont think its cool to "hope" that someone crashes Vettel out,
or that he has an incident. As mentioned these r all people. Its easy to sling from behind a computer screen.
Either you is, or u aint.

[Forzi]

i know results take time.....my problem isnt with this year itself....its with the fact that the team hasnt been able to come up with something spectacular in the 5 years under domenicalli's regime....!!(and spectacular is what u expect from a team like ferrari,atleast once in a while)....and btw i dont know about the whole RBR team but hiring the bald genius would certainly make a difference...if u look closely at the history of his work,u'll notice that each of the teams he has worked with have had their best cars penned by him,be it williams,mclaren or RBR....he does take a little time to settle down(RBR hired him in 2005),but when he does,boy does he create a monster!

Well, spectacular aint easy to find. We didn't have it for a long long time,but we found it in the early 2000 for a few years, but we lost it again. I'd say that people really got spoiled by the Schumi era If we didn't have those few years, there wouldnt probably be this huge demand of dominance.

[Tifoso84]

Same story 5 seasons. How many more?

Maybe 5 more or maybe 25 more seasons, whatever amount of time it takes. It's all about supporting Ferrari for me, in good times and in bad times. Of course it's absolutely super great if we win championships, but that's not the most important thing for me. The most important thing is that Ferrari exists and that it's in Formula 1 and that I can be a fan of this great team. Ferrari is the 2nd most important thing in my life, behind only my family. And I will love Ferrari forever and always! My faith in Ferrari is unyielding.


FORZA FERRARI!!!

[Hermann]

Maybe 5 more or maybe 25 more seasons, whatever amount of time it takes. It's all about supporting Ferrari for me, in good times and in bad times. Of course it's absolutely super great if we win championships, but that's not the most important thing for me. The most important thing is that Ferrari exists and that it's in Formula 1 and that I can be a fan of this great team. Ferrari is the 2nd most important thing in my life, behind only my family. And I will love Ferrari forever and always! My faith in Ferrari is unyielding.


FORZA FERRARI!!!

Thats the spirit. I don't know how old you are, but i would prefer to see 1. a third title for Fernando and 2. one more WCD and WCC for Ferrari in my lifetime

[mark p]

[QUOTE=Tifoso84;761550]Maybe 5 more or maybe 25 more seasons, whatever amount of time it takes. It's all about supporting Ferrari for me, in good times and in bad times. Of course it's absolutely super great if we win championships, but that's not the most important thing for me. The most important thing is that Ferrari exists and that it's in Formula 1 and that I can be a fan of this great team. Ferrari is the 2nd most important thing in my life, behind only my family. And I will love Ferrari forever and always! My faith in Ferrari is unyielding.
I remember the 80's and 90's aprt from 1990 and 97. Onwards and would have been greatful of a season like this. Try 91 through to 96 for dark days. Still not over who knows what will happen tommorrow. After China 07 qualifying it all looked over but I am not saying it will but things can swing back in your favour. Looking forward to tommorrow.

[fxx]

Thank goodness Fernando and our team don't give in so readily

Tomorrow mathematics as well give me reason and Stefano will stop repeating like a parrot the usual phrases of circumstance .... but wait and see .. the world championships are not won with words ... otherwise the Ferrari would not be beaten!

[Tifoso84]

Thats the spirit. I don't know how old you are, but i would prefer to see 1. a third title for Fernando and 2. one more WCD and WCC for Ferrari in my lifetime

Well I'm 28 and I started watching F1 and supporting Ferrari in 2000.

[fadyferrari]

Well, spectacular aint easy to find. We didn't have it for a long long time,but we found it in the early 2000 for a few years, but we lost it again. I'd say that people really got spoiled by the Schumi era If we didn't have those few years, there wouldnt probably be this huge demand of dominance.

its not just about the schumi era my friend....its that we r a big team and fully capable of turning the tide in our favor....wouldnt be crying this much if were sauber or even a force india for that matter...i know spectacular is hard to find,but if we're incapable of creating spectacular,why not "buy" it?

[Jas]

Dont expect the usual electrifying start fro, both our drivers, where in the dirty side of the grid which is like ice, however it should be interesting the first 5 laps while drivers gets the tyres up to temp...now the one who gets theirs up the quickest will have a real opportunity to move up the grid!

[FFFerrari]

There are rumours that Felipe has also visited the stewards office, any one heard why?

[FrankAlfa]

All this nonsense talk about who supports the Ferrari Team and who does not is getting very old now and serves no purpose to enable them to start winning. Ferrari is a team that is close to the front but are clearly behind both Red Bull and McLaren. No warm words of hope and faith change that. Ferrari needs an Engineering person as its principle and that person is not Stefano Domenicali! New and better tools plus stronger management that actually can give Engineering direction to the Engineers. People want to say that this is just the team rebuilding after the "Dream Team" disbanded. I say that is nonsense! Get me a good, strong leader that knows what it takes to lead the team and make everyone accountable for what each person is doing! Enough of the lines repeated by Domenicali and Fry! Enough with the, "Lets Stay Calm"! There should be anger in what they are doing! There should be conviction and drive to do MUCH more! To have the resources that Ferrari Have and to only produce the 3rd best car for the past few years is Criminal!!!!

At the end of this season, I hope Luca Di Montezemolo has the conviction to make the moves he must to get this team back on track!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[fxx]

Maybe 5 more or maybe 25 more seasons, whatever amount of time it takes. It's all about supporting Ferrari for me, in good times and in bad times. Of course it's absolutely super great if we win championships, but that's not the most important thing for me. The most important thing is that Ferrari exists and that it's in Formula 1 and that I can be a fan of this great team. Ferrari is the 2nd most important thing in my life, behind only my family. And I will love Ferrari forever and always! My faith in Ferrari is unyielding.


FORZA FERRARI!!!

I agree with you in terms of fan but from the sporting point of view and management, Stefano Domenicali and other engineers wrong project for some years now we must have the courage to change and Ferrari came at that moment!
In Italy it is a way of saying "Never change a winning team" ... in Ferrari for a few years does the opposite ..

[fadyferrari]

All this nonsense talk about who supports the Ferrari Team and who does not is getting very old now and serves no purpose to enable them to start winning. Ferrari is a team that is close to the front but are clearly behind both Red Bull and McLaren. No warm words of hope and faith change that. Ferrari needs an Engineering person as its principle and that person is not Stefano Domenicali! New and better tools plus stronger management that actually can give Engineering direction to the Engineers. People want to say that this is just the team rebuilding after the "Dream Team" disbanded. I say that is nonsense! Get me a good, strong leader that knows what it takes to lead the team and make everyone accountable for what each person is doing! Enough of the lines repeated by Domenicali and Fry! Enough with the, "Lets Stay Calm"! There should be anger in what they are doing! There should be conviction and drive to do MUCH more! To have the resources that Ferrari Have and to only produce the 3rd best car for the past few years is Criminal!!!!

At the end of this season, I hope Luca Di Montezemolo has the conviction to make the moves he must to get this team back on track!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

frankalfa,i now anoint u MY NEW BEST FRIEND

[blaney1977]

All this nonsense talk about who supports the Ferrari Team and who does not is getting very old now and serves no purpose to enable them to start winning. Ferrari is a team that is close to the front but are clearly behind both Red Bull and McLaren. No warm words of hope and faith change that. Ferrari needs an Engineering person as its principle and that person is not Stefano Domenicali! New and better tools plus stronger management that actually can give Engineering direction to the Engineers. People want to say that this is just the team rebuilding after the "Dream Team" disbanded. I say that is nonsense! Get me a good, strong leader that knows what it takes to lead the team and make everyone accountable for what each person is doing! Enough of the lines repeated by Domenicali and Fry! Enough with the, "Lets Stay Calm"! There should be anger in what they are doing! There should be conviction and drive to do MUCH more! To have the resources that Ferrari Have and to only produce the 3rd best car for the past few years is Criminal!!!!

At the end of this season, I hope Luca Di Montezemolo has the conviction to make the moves he must to get this team back on track!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

Sums up how I feel, sadly it's the truth, since the summer break the updates have been awful for a team of ferraris size and resource is not good enough, Fernando has driven the socks off the car, sadly the team have not delivered and allowed him to fight vettel. Time for a revamp.

[fxx]

Sums up how I feel, sadly it's the truth, since the summer break the updates have been awful for a team of ferraris size and resource is not good enough, Fernando has driven the socks off the car, sadly the team have not delivered and allowed him to fight vettel. Time for a revamp.

[simba]

It fills me with great pride that Fernando has fought so hard in a car that isn't really up to his talent and despite this still has a chance albeit a small one of winning a third WDC.
This scenario reminds me so much of Gilles Villeneuve and some of the cars he dragged to much better results than they deserved.Just a thought but maybe Fernando qualified with a car set up more for the race.

[fxx]

I remember very well as we were before 2000, there was crying, the Ferrari was in disarray then came Schumi ... Alonso is our "prophet" but we need to find an absolutely Jean Todt and Ross Brawn ... there serves more than a "simple" Stefano Domenicali ...

[fadyferrari]

I remember very well as we were before 2000, there was crying, the Ferrari was in disarray then came Schumi ... Alonso is our "prophet" but we need to find an absolutely Jean Todt and Ross Brawn ... there serves more than a "simple" Stefano Domenicali ...

...in simple words we need a BIG DOG,who eats the likes of horner and whitmarsh for breakfast!

[Rosso Corsa]

All this nonsense talk about who supports the Ferrari Team and who does not is getting very old now and serves no purpose to enable them to start winning. Ferrari is a team that is close to the front but are clearly behind both Red Bull and McLaren. No warm words of hope and faith change that. Ferrari needs an Engineering person as its principle and that person is not Stefano Domenicali! New and better tools plus stronger management that actually can give Engineering direction to the Engineers. People want to say that this is just the team rebuilding after the "Dream Team" disbanded. I say that is nonsense! Get me a good, strong leader that knows what it takes to lead the team and make everyone accountable for what each person is doing! Enough of the lines repeated by Domenicali and Fry! Enough with the, "Lets Stay Calm"! There should be anger in what they are doing! There should be conviction and drive to do MUCH more! To have the resources that Ferrari Have and to only produce the 3rd best car for the past few years is Criminal!!!!

At the end of this season, I hope Luca Di Montezemolo has the conviction to make the moves he must to get this team back on track!

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

You're assuming a lot. That we don't feel or use anger, that we don't hold people accountable, that we don't have conviction. Where's Chris dyer? Where's Aldo costa? Were we not bold with our base car design this year? Have we not showed conviction to keep us in the title fight this far? And since when does having resource and money produce guarantees? Since Toyota or Honda or BMW or, no wait...

I'm not blinkered, I can be critical of Ferrari, but I can't agree that Steffano needs to go. Like Fernando, he's narrowly missed out on trophies at the last hurdle (2008, 2010), and we've still got one hand on this one.

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

...in simple words we need a BIG DOG,who eats the likes of horner and whitmarsh for breakfast!

Flavio plain and simple!

[justjesper]

Why all this pessimism
Massa did great to day. Ferrari just need to make as many points to secure second in the championship. Lets focus on that. It's also a long race and all sorts of things can happen.

[albert]

Funny how people are going "abandon ship" Ferrari is the 2nd team in the WCC and Fernando is 2nd in the WDC. You call that a dog car and a team worth sacking? Don't make me laugh. The only reason why we are not 1st in the WDC and WCC is Newey. Get him out of the picture and everyone would be happy this year, everyone would have been happy in the last two years. People speaking, as if we were down with the HRT...

Without newey the results would have been better but the performance of the car would be the same, which is generally midfield and flattered by Alonso. I am so sick of hearing all the rubbish over the year about how the car has improved or going to be improved when it was rubbish. The car has never improved since Spain, and just been up and down since then depending on tracks. The design team is completely incompetent, and its pathetic to see Alonso bashed for getting out qualified by Massa for the first time in 20 races, like he has let the team down, when they have served him up rubbish for the last 2 seasons. Another title thrown away by incompetence.

[fadyferrari]

You're assuming a lot. That we don't feel or use anger, that we don't hold people accountable, that we don't have conviction. Where's Chris dyer? Where's Aldo costa? Were we not bold with our base car design this year? Have we not showed conviction to keep us in the title fight this far? And since when does having resource and money produce guarantees? Since Toyota or Honda or BMW or, no wait...

I'm not blinkered, I can be critical of Ferrari, but I can't agree that Steffano needs to go. Like Fernando, he's narrowly missed out on trophies at the last hurdle (2008, 2010), and we've still got one hand on this one.

yes toyota ,honda,bmw had resources n bucket loads of cash....but surely they were new to the game..!!!we r the oldest team in F1...!!been around since the birth of it!surely u cant compare us to them....what we expect from ferrari is to know very well how to make the right steps...they clearly seem lost this year!!

and there's been too much fuss about "the bold"design of this year's car....its all nonsense!just bold doesnt do!it has to be something that actually works and doesnt just look different for the sake of it!i might just go "bold"and shave one of my eyebrows,but that sure aint gonna make better in class or get more girls!

[Nova]

I have never liked the tire rules and the compounds teams must use. Ferrari has had
more trouble with these tire regulations than just about everyone else.
I even think given the right tires, the F2012 is every bit as fast as the RB.
DOnt be down on the team, (but its ok to slam the tires)
Mabey Pirelli should be the ones getting "sacked".

[Jas]

for the first time...I am actually going to say...we need flavio, a bullish man who knows what he wants (but my god, i hate him)....BTW FERRARI USED SCRUBBED TYRES IN Q3!!!

[fadyferrari]

for the first time...I am actually going to say...we need flavio, a bullish man who knows what he wants (but my god, i hate him)....BTW FERRARI USED SCRUBBED TYRES IN Q3!!!

since we all r so keen on getting flavio...why not put down suggestions for the next "ferrari dream team"???anyone interested ?

[Rosso Corsa]

yes toyota ,honda,bmw had resources n bucket loads of cash....but surely they were new to the game..!!!we r the oldest team in F1...!!been around since the birth of it!surely u cant compare us to them....what we expect from ferrari is to know very well how to make the right steps...they clearly seem lost this year!!

and there's been too much fuss about "the bold"design of this year's car....its all nonsense!just bold doesnt do!it has to be something that actually works and doesnt just look different for the sake of it!i might just go "bold"and shave one of my eyebrows,but that sure aint gonna make better in class or get more girls!

Frankalfa suggested having the resources and producing only the 3rd best car was criminal. That was my reference to Toyota, Honda and BMW, not a comparison between them and us. And your point about being bold for the sake of it is just piffle. Its absurd to suggest we did that. They tried something bold but it didn't work, at least we had the conviction to try.

[fadyferrari]

Frankalfa suggested having the resources and producing only the 3rd best car was criminal. That was my reference to Toyota, Honda and BMW, not a comparison between them and us. And your point about being bold for the sake of it is just piffle. Its absurd to suggest we did that. They tried something bold but it didn't work, at least we had the conviction to try.

maybe....but i personally feel it didnt give it our best shot when it came to the development race....if we would have,u surely would have seen radical changes to the f2012s rear end quite a few times since the spanish gp...