‘Nothing new’ as Newey keeps dominating – Alonso

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Nov.17 (GMM/Inautonews.com) After Sebastian Vettel utterly dominated Friday’s proceedings in Austin, his title rival Fernando Alonso repeated his claim that the real hero is Adrian Newey.

“It’s not a surprise,” Ferrari’s Spaniard said after the practice sessions at the brand new Circuit of the Americas.

“You,” he told reporters, “were surprised when I said we are fighting against Adrian Newey. But now there is nothing new: two Red Bulls ahead in every session. It will be the same in qualifying.

“But because we are the better team, we can get more points on Sunday, just as we did at the last race,” he is quoted by Italy’s Autosprint, before posting a photo on Facebook of himself and teammate Felipe Massa posing with a huge gun.

“Ready for last two races!” the caption reads.

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Samurai mind games from Alonso

[F2002]

This thing of "fighting against Newey" and "having the best team" is starting to sound a bit contradictory, and annoying, to me at times.

I'm his best of fans, but if he fancies Newey, he needs to go to RBR I feel.

[Massimo]

This thing of "fighting against Newey" and "having the best team" is starting to sound a bit contradictory, and annoying, to me at times.

I'm his best of fans, but if he fancies Newey, he needs to go to RBR I feel.

Don't worry to much about it, Fernando is just playing mind games with Vettel, a lot of people saying that the Red Bull success has nothing to do with Vettel, it's just Newey, and that everyone can do it in a car like that, Vettel is very eager to prove otherwise, and Fernando will be very glad to get him in that mindset.
Like Fernando is constantly saying that Hamilton was his strongest rival this year, that seemed to annoy Vettel, so he keeps saying it.

[Hornet]

This thing of "fighting against Newey" and "having the best team" is starting to sound a bit contradictory, and annoying, to me at times.

I'm his best of fans, but if he fancies Newey, he needs to go to RBR I feel.

Nothing wrong praising our competitors. Its no contradictory, he said Newey is good, not Red Bull is good.

Luca DM once wanted Newey too. Does that mean Luca should go to Red Bull?

[F2002]

Nothing wrong praising our competitors. Its no contradictory, he said Newey is good, not Red Bull is good.

Luca DM once wanted Newey too. Does that mean Luca should go to Red Bull?

You know what I meant I'm sure.

That said, let me ask you a question.

What, in your opinion, does he mean, when he says that despite not having the quickest car, he can win because he has the best team?

I just can't see what the "best team" can do if the car is not quick enough. For all it's worth, any team can say that it is the "best team".

[Hornet]

You know what I meant I'm sure.

That said, let me ask you a question.

What, in your opinion, does he mean, when he says that despite not having the quickest car, he can win because he has the best team?

I just can't see what the "best team" can do if the car is not quick enough. For all it's worth, any team can say that it is the "best team".

Ferrari fans including you says that Ferrari is the best team all the time I'm sure, as do I. Best team is a qualitative term.

Newey's brilliance can be quantify, its technical. Beyond technicality, I don't see anything good in Red Bull. They screw Mark Webber's race by putting him into traffic just to let Vettel by. That's just one example.

Red Bull build a technically superior car, thanks to Newey brilliance. Ferrari does not have the best car, but we are making the best out of what we have.

In terms of efficiency, Ferrari wins hands down. See the point

[F2002]

Ferrari fans including you says that Ferrari is the best team all the time I'm sure, as do I. Best team is a qualitative term.

Newey's brilliance can be quantify, its technical. Beyond technicality, I don't see anything good in Red Bull. They screw Mark Webber's race by putting him into traffic just to let Vettel by. That's just one example.

Red Bull build a technically superior car, thanks to Newey brilliance. Ferrari does not have the best car, but we are making the best out of what we have.

In terms of efficiency, Ferrari wins hands down. See the point

Let's hope conditions are not always plain sailing then, otherwise no point having the best sailors.

[Rob]

Don't worry to much about it, Fernando is just playing mind games with Vettel, a lot of people saying that the Red Bull success has nothing to do with Vettel, it's just Newey, and that everyone can do it in a car like that, Vettel is very eager to prove otherwise, and Fernando will be very glad to get him in that mindset.
Like Fernando is constantly saying that Hamilton was his strongest rival this year, that seemed to annoy Vettel, so he keeps saying it.

Vettel wasnt anyway near front or happy at start of season and couldnt be out front and not racing people. Has to get pole in the best car. He just, in my eyes not a great driver, just an ok driver in a very strong car this part of the year. RBR would be no where without Newey. Anyone could do what Vettel is doing in that car right now, it isnt him getting that speed through the corners and sticking to the track, its the car. We and all other teams fighting Newey. Think if FIA clamped down on flexi wings and had the exhausts exits higher out then Newey wouldnt be able to do what he can with the exhaust flows. The FIA have taken 18 races, well a year to late to clamp down harder on the flexing wings.

Bring on next year, and last 2 races.

[wisepie]

Vettel wasnt anyway near front or happy at start of season and couldnt be out front and not racing people. Has to get pole in the best car. He just, in my eyes not a great driver, just an ok driver in a very strong car this part of the year. RBR would be no where without Newey. Anyone could do what Vettel is doing in that car right now, it isnt him getting that speed through the corners and sticking to the track, its the car. We and all other teams fighting Newey. Think if FIA clamped down on flexi wings and had the exhausts exits higher out then Newey wouldnt be able to do what he can with the exhaust flows. The FIA have taken 18 races, well a year to late to clamp down harder on the flexing wings.

Bring on next year, and last 2 races.

Trouble is, Rob, Newey would probably find a way around that as well, such seems to be his brilliance. I find it hard to accept that any one man can be so ahead of the rest, which brings us back to the questionable legality of some of the extreme developments by RBR. There has to be something else making that last bit of difference, surely?

[ferrari4life]

sounds like mind games to me. a little slap at how vettel has the fastest car and he will still screw up somehow.. i like it

[Hornet]

Well, we'll see in 2014 when the new rule will completely outlaw any form of exhaust blowing by putting the exhaust at the center which is physically impossible to move the air to the side of the diffuser.

[Rob]

Well, we'll see in 2014 when the new rule will completely outlaw any form of exhaust blowing by putting the exhaust at the center which is physically impossible to move the air to the side of the diffuser.

Yeah, i think that is making Newey very nervous as for his comments few months back when the new engine regs came out. Never mind

[Rob]

Trouble is, Rob, Newey would probably find a way around that as well, such seems to be his brilliance. I find it hard to accept that any one man can be so ahead of the rest, which brings us back to the questionable legality of some of the extreme developments by RBR. There has to be something else making that last bit of difference, surely?

Should make rules harder for them to do that, tighten up all loopholes, but if RBR rock up with something outside the spirit of the rules, ban it. Straight away.

[zorro666]

Only a miracle in the form of DNF would give us any realistic chances for this year.
RB is super fast and that's that.
Vettel thrives under pressure and is most of the time flawless.
Yes he ain't no Fernando but he is almost there.
You can't be a double (almost triple!) champ just because the car is fast.
Barrichello, Coulthart, Fissi etc etc etc are living proofs of being in a championship winning car plenty of times and only managed a few wins each.
Lets hope for a Vettel DNF and a good race from Nando.

Forza Ferrari

[Lesky]

Vettel wasnt anyway near front or happy at start of season and couldnt be out front and not racing people. Has to get pole in the best car. He just, in my eyes not a great driver, just an ok driver in a very strong car this part of the year. RBR would be no where without Newey. Anyone could do what Vettel is doing in that car right now, it isnt him getting that speed through the corners and sticking to the track, its the car. We and all other teams fighting Newey. Think if FIA clamped down on flexi wings and had the exhausts exits higher out then Newey wouldnt be able to do what he can with the exhaust flows. The FIA have taken 18 races, well a year to late to clamp down harder on the flexing wings.

Have you forgotten Mark Webber? He is being schooled by Vettel time after time and not by a small margin!

[Tifoso84]

Nothing new here... of course we're fighting against Newey. About 90% of RB's success is down to Newey.

Would love to see that photo with Fernando and Felipe posing with a big gun. Is it the one where they're holding paintball guns? ?

[Rob]

Have you forgotten Mark Webber? He is being schooled by Vettel time after time and not by a small margin!

Because the car is designed for Sebs driving style, look at the start of the year, when they didnt have the exhaust layout they have now, Mark drove it miles better and was all over Seb. Since they changed the layouts and the "blowing" Seb has looked better and happier. Not his driving just the car suits him better. Mark is now #2, again.

[Gerhard Berger]

You know what I meant I'm sure.

That said, let me ask you a question.

What, in your opinion, does he mean, when he says that despite not having the quickest car, he can win because he has the best team?

I just can't see what the "best team" can do if the car is not quick enough. For all it's worth, any team can say that it is the "best team".

When he says best team, I think he is referring to the race team (as opposed to the design team). We hAve great reliability, and operationally we are very efficient with very few mistakes when it comes to pit stops and strategy.

[Gerhard Berger]

Have you forgotten Mark Webber? He is being schooled by Vettel time after time and not by a small margin!

The only time he schooled him was in 2011. In 2009, 2010 and this year, webber has pushed him very hard.

[F2002]

When he says best team, I think he is referring to the race team (as opposed to the design team). We hAve great reliability, and operationally we are very efficient with very few mistakes when it comes to pit stops and strategy.

Yes, that's all true, however, in the absence of a good car, with RBR having such an important margin, and with Pirelli's over-conservative tyre strategy, how will all that (reliability, operations, etc.) help him win the championship ?

[steelstallions]

Nice mind games with Vettel. Vettel's ego will want him to say its me not the car and Alonso will have set the seed of doubt and hopefully get Vettel to make mistakes

[theforce]

My hate of the two Lotus drivers is increasing as we get closer to the end of season for putting us on the back foot.

[SilverSpeed]

Vettel's DNF is waaaaay overdue!

[FFFerrari]

Bit weak that Fernando doesn't recognize the talent that Vettel has. It's not a wonder he is the faster of the RBR drivers and would do well against most of the grid in equal cars. It's starting to sound more and more that Fernando is looking after Fernando and not the Ferrari. Can't really blame the guy, it's been three seasons without a cookie with the best team on the planet.

[justjesper]

LOL I honestly don't think Sebastian Vettel cares much about what is being said from any of the other drivers.

If we are fighting Newey or King kong don't really matter, it's still another teams car that's winning.

Lets secure second in the constructors.

[Hornet]

Bit weak that Fernando doesn't recognize the talent that Vettel has. It's not a wonder he is the faster of the RBR drivers and would do well against most of the grid in equal cars. It's starting to sound more and more that Fernando is looking after Fernando and not the Ferrari. Can't really blame the guy, it's been three seasons without a cookie with the best team on the planet.

He wasn't the faster driver without blown diffuser. Vettel hasn't shown his ability to adept to the car. He only shines when the rear of the car is much more stable and react the way he wants it, which is the advantage of having blown diffuser effect.

Just because you want to think Vettel deserve more recognition, it doesn't mean everyone should share your opinion or make you right.

[FrankAlfa]

Vettel's Driver Skill aside. The Car is the Make or Break issue and Vettel is less of the Driver to Drive Around issues! This is still down to VERY CLEVER ENGINEERING from the Red Bill Team! A flexing Chassis and Front Wing + the best use of air action about the race car. Red Bull is designing and building the most advanced race car in F1.

Ciao.

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[vecchiasignora]

Schumacher demolished newey, alonso aint no schumacher.
I miss schumi

[Hornet]

Schumacher demolished newey, alonso aint no schumacher.
I miss schumi

With Rory Bryne.

I'm was a huge Schumi fan before becoming a Ferrari fan, but Rory Bryne contributed a lot to Schumi success too. He was there at Benetton when Schumi won both his title, then Luca DM did everything to get Bryne out of retirement into Ferrari and again we started winning the title.

Rory Bryne is the best designer during that era and he certainly contributed to Schumi's success, although Schumi was of course the best driver in his era as well.

Edit: I would just like to add that Newey was working on the blown diffuser concept while he was at McLaren. He was the last to gave that up after developments in the engine determined that its more advantageous to have the shorter periscope exhaust. IIRC, it was Mercedes who demanded that he stop using the longer exhaust and change to the periscope exhaust that he finally gave up on the idea. He went into an eclipse after that.

Not that I'm claiming Newey is a one trick pony, but 2014 will be a real test for him, so we'll see what happens when again, he will have to give up on the blown diffuser concept. And what that means for Vettel too.

Not that I mind if he decides to retire

[Tifosi]

Schumacher demolished newey, alonso aint no schumacher.
I miss schumi

Schumacher was a driver, Newey is a designer, so you are right, they are incomparable. However, I would argue that Red Bull could not have won the last 2 championships without Newey, whereas Schumacher could not have won his championships without Ferrari.

Your dislike of Alonso and your rose tinted history specs should be pointing at your team just as much as they do the retiring Mercedes driver