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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesky View Post
    What about the WCC battle Vs McLaren?

    Pretty much a mockery of the sport anyway, Massa being treated like crap as always!
    None of the top 3 teams care about #2

    Last year we gave up on the season early and let ourself slide down the WDC and WCC standing to prepare for this year. Why not fight for #2 or #3?
    Are you that concern last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbs View Post
    Buuhooo, at least he contributes this way. Alonso is the only one with a shot at the title and you think this is unfair. He should be glad he retained his seat for another year.
    Boohoo yourself. No tears here. You might have some if Vettel gets his 3rd title within the next 7 days though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I wonder what they thought when as soon as Vettel came up behind Webber in Abu Dhabi, RB pitted Webber and dump him right into the middle of traffic.
    mark .......sebastian is on different strategy let him pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    No-one seems to care, apparently. Even though that was the main argument for people wanting Massa to go. Because THEN, the WCC was oh-so important.
    i understand that it must hurt like hell now, but Felipe has scored what 1/3 of Fernando's points. he could have done better, he himself has admitted that
    not gonna change my profile picture

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    I hang my head in Shame, to say I support a team that does this, how can Alonso if he wins the WC say he's the best driver in the world as his team mate has had to ****** (not the first time) for him, Best to lose with grace than to win in shame

    (mind the language please.)
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    Well that's a new strategy, for sure, but understandable, just hope it doesn't backfire at turn 1. Sad for Felipe's chances but maybe they can do something clever with him later. I'm not looking forward to the start, though, as even on the clean side, nothing is guaranteed. On my knees already, just hope it'll be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIAT PALIO View Post
    mark .......sebastian is on different strategy let him pass
    I mean Sky Everyone act like its a crime when Ferrari employ team strategy yet EVERY other team gets the free pass.

    It makes me sick.

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    Atleast Colajanni found his spine and told the real reason for it. I really hope this doesn't backfire on us, Crashjean and Maldonado are still right behind Fernando.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    Boohoo yourself. No tears here. You might have some if Vettel gets his 3rd title within the next 7 days though.
    Are you secretly hoping that now? I know you only support Massa but look, he is starting from the clean side as well now. I bet he will make some places at the start, so lets wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesky View Post
    Fixed the quote for you!
    The one leading the WDC points comes first, fact of life, at every team. If Massa was ahead in the points, it would be Alonso getting a seal broken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    No-one seems to care, apparently. Even though that was the main argument for people wanting Massa to go. Because THEN, the WCC was oh-so important.
    I am not backing what Ferrari have done, but what is the difference between 2nd and 3rd? The 1st is the one that counts and there is no way to finish first in the WCC, while the chance to win WDC is still alive, even tho the heart beat is really slow now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I mean Sky Everyone act like its a crime when Ferrari employ team strategy yet EVERY other team gets the free pass.

    It makes me sick.

    Agrred.


    They can call it cheating all they want, but no different that RB starting Vettel from pitlane in order to make wholesale changes on the car, or Webber ducking into the pits just as Vettel caught him, or both Toro Rosso's waving Vettel past.

    Like I said, Ferrari needs to learn to cheat better, this is a good start.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I mean Sky Everyone act like its a crime when Ferrari employ team strategy yet EVERY other team gets the free pass.

    It makes me sick.
    Exactly what i'm saying. Everything is ok as long as its not Ferrari doing it. And even some diehard team fans seem to think that, which is quite odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollydog View Post
    I hang my head in Shame, to say I support a team that does this, how can Alonso if he wins the WC say he's the best driver in the world as his team mate has had to ****** (not the first time) for him, Best to lose with grace than to win in shame
    Oh grow up, this stuff has happened since the inception of racing. Look at Collins giving up his car to Fangio, is Fangio not great?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    I mean Sky Everyone act like its a crime when Ferrari employ team strategy yet EVERY other team gets the free pass.

    It makes me sick.
    Yep completely agree, if it was any other team they'd just talk about it and move on. With Ferrari/Alonso they overreact completely. And it doesn't even chance much about today, Alonso's just starting 7th rather than 8th.

    You would think by the way they cover it Massa has been ordered to take Vettel out... Jeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    No-one seems to care, apparently. Even though that was the main argument for people wanting Massa to go. Because THEN, the WCC was oh-so important.
    If the dirty side of the track is as bad as they are saying, the decision may somehow help Felipe as well in the end.

    It's not good to have to resort to these things, just goes to show how desperate times have become for Ferrari unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    You might have some if Vettel gets his 3rd title within the next 7 days though.
    And the fact that you won´t says it all really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFerrari View Post
    Atleast Colajanni found his spine and told the real reason for it. I really hope this doesn't backfire on us, Crashjean and Maldonado are still right behind Fernando.
    I agree. Among these controversial times which I would rather had not happen, one thing I admire is that Ferrari has always come clean with their team strategy. They never secretly screw the #2 driver. They are honest and they have no problem showing this is how serious they take racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mollydog View Post
    I hang my head in Shame, to say I support a team that does this, how can Alonso if he wins the WC say he's the best driver in the world as his team mate has had ****** (not the first time) for him, Best to lose with grace than to win in shame
    Keep it hung till race is over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzie View Post
    No-one seems to care, apparently. Even though that was the main argument for people wanting Massa to go. Because THEN, the WCC was oh-so important.
    Felipe would have been part of it if he'd had better strategies at the start of the season, it's been proved that poor grid positions don't necessarily mean a bad race result and Felipe would have been well up there to assist in WCC. And it's why he's till with us in 2013. Good for him. Best of luck this afternoon boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    Oh grow up, this stuff has happened since the inception of racing. Look at Collins giving up his car to Fangio, is Fangio not great?
    Exactly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    Oh grow up, this stuff has happened since the inception of racing. Look at Collins giving up his car to Fangio, is Fangio not great?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    Oh grow up, this stuff has happened since the inception of racing. Look at Collins giving up his car to Fangio, is Fangio not great?
    EXACTLY
    Autoracing is a team sport, it has always been that way and it will always be that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDARMYSOJA View Post
    Agrred.


    They can call it cheating all they want, but no different that RB starting Vettel from pitlane in order to make wholesale changes on the car, or Webber ducking into the pits just as Vettel caught him, or both Toro Rosso's waving Vettel past.

    Like I said, Ferrari needs to learn to cheat better, this is a good start.
    +1000000 if we cannot provide a fast car to our drivers, then we need to exploit the rule book to gain any and every advantage!
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    I cant believe Im reading Ferrari fans (?) slamming the team for doing what is a normal F1 thing??!!??
    Do some of you understand Formula 1 at all?
    Oh, I get it..if it works then u will say it was a genius move, right?
    R u guys really RB and Mac fans that just come here to slam the team?
    I dont get it really, u slam RB and Mac and say theyre cheating, you say Ferrari has to learn to cheat more, Ive actually read
    this here..then when Ferrari do what is considered a normal F1 move, you slam us...amazing.

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    http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...or-felipe.aspx

    United States GP - A penalty for Felipe

    Austin, 18th November - We’ve decided to accept the penalty normally associated with the gearbox change on Felipe’s car which means that he’ll get a 5 place grid penalty. The reason for this was for strategy considerations, with the objective of maximizing Alonso’s start potential given that he’s still in with a chance to win the Drivers’ championship. We saw yesterday that starting from the dirty side of the track would have been penalizing: there was a significant risk of finding ourselves too far behind the leaders at the end of the first lap. It was a decision agreed by both drivers. We’ve always maintained that the interests of the team come before that of the individual drivers and this has always been our very transparent policy. Felipe has fully comprehended the reasons behind this decision and so he’s once again proven his total dedication to the team - something for which we would publicly like to express our gratitude.

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    So did they change the gearbox or just break the seal?


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    It gets better.

    Some people were speculating that RBR would do the same thing, to throw Alonso back to the dirty side of the track.


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    just broke the seal

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    Also confirm the gearbox itself was not changed. Only wd've had to break seal. FIA have no power to defer the grid penalty, it's compulsory
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    It will all be for nothing when Webber has one of his famous bad starts, and backs up the whole odd numbered side of the grid except Vettel.
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