Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[mark p]

Yep, but i am trying to say that Ferrari and RedBull in particular (because of last year's title fight) will have left out a lot more than the other teams who have had more time to get their cars fully developed.

Mclaren developed until the end as well. I can see the area in black on the sidepods changeing and the engine cover and of course the wings from the show car but i do not see the main parts of the sidepods changing. Maybe they do not need to, Mclaren seem to have moved towards Ferrari design. concept may have been the best all along just could not get the intricate little parts right due to wt issues. I do not think there will be huge visual changes to the car apart from the black parts of the sidepods. Everyone seems to want Sauber sidepods now but they are not proven. All car threads on all sites are facinated by these but the Torro Rosso double floor concept looked great but flopped and those sidepods on that 90's Lambo did not make thar car fast.

[FatihDemirel]

F138 exhaust system ?

[FrankAlfa]

The upper portion of the Sidepods may stay static for Coanda Effect with rear portion of the sidepod and rear bodywok sloping more quickly. I think focus must also be made to look at the air being gripped around the lower outer edge of the sidepods as well.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!

[scuderiafan]

Mclaren developed until the end as well. I can see the area in black on the sidepods changeing and the engine cover and of course the wings from the show car but i do not see the main parts of the sidepods changing. Maybe they do not need to, Mclaren seem to have moved towards Ferrari design. concept may have been the best all along just could not get the intricate little parts right due to wt issues. I do not think there will be huge visual changes to the car apart from the black parts of the sidepods. Everyone seems to want Sauber sidepods now but they are not proven. All car threads on all sites are facinated by these but the Torro Rosso double floor concept looked great but flopped and those sidepods on that 90's Lambo did not make thar car fast.

McLaren did, but most of their developments were really with an eye on this year. Ferrari and RB were in the midst of a ferocious title battle, so they were fully focused on 2012. You can see this when Pat and Adrian talk about how they were a little behind in the design of this year.

So I don't know about RedBull, but what makes me think that these parts will be changed a lot, is when the designer said that the car has different sidepods and exhausts. As we know, the ones on the launch car were identical to the F2012, I believe we intend to race different versions which I think will be heavily revised from what we have now.

Remember McLaren put dummy exhausts and dummy bodywork in their 2011 and 2012 car launches, so it isn't out of the question that Ferrari may possibly have done the same this time round.

You're right and it may not be a big deal, but I believe Ferrari and RedBull have had to make basic versions of their final cars out of necessity, and they will fully get this sorted in the Barcelona tests.

[mark p]

Maybe. I am not fully up to speed but do not remember quotes specific to sidepods just that the car in Australia will be different. From an asthetics point of view i would like tighter sidepods and no cooling oulets near the rear floor but everytime i would like to see something it never happens. Only years I prefered every aspect of a Ferrari over rivals was 2001-2004. Of course this has nothing to do with aero more my personal view of what i like the look of. What I was getting at is maybe the main parts of the sidepods are correct and it was only wt issues that prevented the small detail changes to make them work?

[gvsnraju85]

http://forums.autosport.com/index.ph...=179186&st=440

Ferrari engineer responding to all the panic yesterday after Fry's comments about being behind.

And Ferrari have a new ECU from McLaren on their car which will be compulsory in 2014. They brought this one year early and so far the only team to do so, so they can get used to it.

Guys, i just saw this bit going to the link i could not find any comments from the Ferrari Engineer or from Pat fry. Can some one plz tell me what Pat Fry said and what this engineer'e response is all about??

[anakin]

it looks like semi- coanda vs. redbull style ramp.
semi coanda:
ferrari
mclaren
force india
sauber(ditched redbull style ramp)

ramp with tunnel:
redbull
lotus

interestingly, sauber ditched the redbull style exhaust for the semi coanda used by mclaren and of course THE F138

[Catalan]

Now that testing is about to start, I am happy at least I haven't read anything like last year. In January 2011, I remember reading " the new single seater is much better than the 2010 car; early indications suggest the 2011 contender has xxx more in downforce than the predecessor ". The season, as you know, was pretty miserable.

Then, it was January 2012, the expectations on the new car were, as usual, high. One day I read in internet ( damn, I can't remember where ), something like " looks like people in Maranello are disappointed, as early simulations with the F2012 show the single seater is below the expectations, the car is bad ". I was , but then it turned out to be true.

That leak was good. It was a scoop. This year I haven't heard / read anything. I don't know what to think. Well, will wait a bit more and see ...

[Suzie]

At what point last year did we find out that the drivers had been forbidden to talk to the press? Was it during pre-season testing?
If that happens again then I'll definitely be worried

[scuderiafan]

At what point last year did we find out that the drivers had been forbidden to talk to the press? Was it during pre-season testing?
If that happens again then I'll definitely be worried

It was the last pre season test in Barcelona.

[wisepie]

Like I suggested during the off-season, the less said to the press by drivers or engineers the better, as it gives them less chance to get things wrong and make assumptions that won't be borne out once testing, or indeed racing, starts. I know we can't wait to see where the F138 stands relative to the competition, but no point trying to over-analyse every aspect of the car, the engineers and designers will have done that already and hopefully come up with a real challenger. Discuss the car by all means, but the technicalities and presumptions are already giving me a headache. Roll on tomorrow for some positive and realistic assessment!

[amouzouris]

Half Shaft Shroud as used on the ferrari and the others

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...g-fairing.html

[Massimo]

What's the reason a team would choose to cover the whole thing or just half?

[Grillo]

It'll be just in Australia when we'll see the real performance of la macchina.

[Mimo966]

Is there going to be a live coverage for tomorrow testing by any TV operators? Or just live timing?

[amouzouris]

in that rendering i only show half to show how it the parts are positioned in the fairing

[Massimo]

in that rendering i only show half to show how it the parts are positioned in the fairing

Ah, ok
Is this what we also saw, in a more simple way, at the Williams FW16 in '94?
Remarkable that Red Bull's little brother Torro Rosso doesn't have it.

[Jas]

Is there going to be a live coverage for tomorrow testing by any TV operators? Or just live timing?

Sky sports are foing something at 9am regarding testing, what it is i dont know, maybe just a camera in the pit lane who knows, doubt it will cover the whole track tbh as mr Bernie says its not commercially viable!

[Mimo966]

ok thx for the info :D I will wake up early anyway im too curious

[gjoko-mkd]

Please,someone tomorrow to put there link from test in Herez.I want to follow it with my phone

[scuderiafan]

Ferrari tried a Caterham style exhaust today

http://www.clausell-f1.com/modificac...-ferrari-f138/

http://www.clausell-f1.com/modificac...-ferrari-f138/

I wonder what the benefit is

[mark p]

Ferrari tried a Caterham style exhaust today

http://www.clausell-f1.com/modificac...-ferrari-f138/

http://www.clausell-f1.com/modificac...-ferrari-f138/

I wonder what the benefit is

Flow conditioner for exhaust gas. It is outside the imaginery cone in the rules but the gas does not follow the cone so this may help keep gases in a more accurate path to where you want them? Maybe gases bend down straight away but then tend to rise up off course after a while so this helps concentrate them on line for longer. If so rather than the little fin you could turn the end of the ramp into a tunnel for better effect? It is legal and would make a long exhaust exit pointing down but with a gap. in it for the imaginery cone in the rules. Just a thought.

[amouzouris]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

[Jas]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

Very good analysis...particularly with regards to the pics and its vortexes...deffo worth a read guys!

[CDN-fan]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

A most excellent read.
The wing vortex pix are good. The vortex is usually higher and closer to the wing. They seem to have them lower and wider. Does this mean the "disturbed air" path caused by the car is now a smaller area (or cross-section)?

I'm amazed at the details of the rear that you are able to highlight, since with all that black, I find it hard to even figure out what's what!

Thanks for sharing !

[Tifoso]

Very good analysis...particularly with regards to the pics and its vortexes...deffo worth a read guys!

Excellent! Please keep posting. Thank you!

[Massimo]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

Brilliant Andreas! I'm not an engineer, but i'm really interested in the technical aspect of F1, and your articles are some of the best i've read.
Very informative, and written in a very understandable way, not just technical language, although i'm sometimes googling like crazy (magnus effect, had to google it).
Your new drawings are to good man, your CFD drawings little while ago were great, and the new ones of the Ferrari rear, with each component in a different colour gives great insight, the use of colour is new, right?
Keep it up, i'm a fan!

[tifosi1993]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

Probably the best technical analysis on F138. Hats off to you sir.

[scuderiafan]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

amazing work!

Makes me think Ferrari will go for a DRD/DDRS, if they are getting drag off the RW strakes

[Forzi]

My analysis on the F138 as seen in Jerez:

http://technicalf1explained.blogspot...-in-jerez.html

Really loved the analysis. Was really interesting to read the part about the back wing vortex. Was just wondering, if the slim back comes with a cost of bulky front part of the sidepods, does it mean they are going to stay like that with no way of making em a bit slimmer. We might have the slimmest back this year, but we got the bulkiest sidepods on the grid. Is it really better to have a slim back with a cost of bulky sidepods than slimmer sidepods and a medium slim back performance wise?