Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[Hermann]

You mean "adapt"? Because "adepts" we already are, I think...

Sorry. English is not my first language obviously, and while i do my best not to make such mistakes, this one obviously escaped my attention. Will try to better myself.

[F1NAC]

First news about 2013 car . We will maintain the pull rod :D

[fxx]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104615

bla bla bla .... these words of ferrari sound like a broken record always equal to themselves but then the world championships they go ...

[Hermann]

bla bla bla .... these words of ferrari sound like a broken record always equal to themselves but then the world championships they go ...

I stopped reading after seeing the words 'Ferrari promises' already, i have to admit- could they please promise less and deliver more, just for a change!

Ahhhh we fans are so demanding, but with Ferrari, you just can't ask for less.

[varun]

we really need to do rock on saturday's from next year...
as the rest will be done by our great drivers on sundays....

WE HAVE THE BEST STRAIGHT LINE SPEED,,,,we really really need to up our game in quali...we need both scarlet cars in top4...

and do u guys think with no rule changes ...is it possible that THE COWS can make a car that could dominate as in 2011??? that is my biggest fear...the cows should not dominate from the start of 2013......

[bluesilhouettes]

Rubber nose is the best alternate for MERC DDRS. It helps the car reduce drag depend on speed. Happy that it will be restricted next year.
It's ridiculous that FIA allowed RBR use it this year.

RedBull DDRS is actually make the DRS a little bit more aggressive, it's trade-off between top speed and rear DF. Not actually a step forward.

Lotus DDRS is useless and not practical. Produce more drag and lift to gain some speed on straght line. BS !

With next year DRS restriction, please dont spend too much attention on it !

Mclaren's cars are going to be very strong next year. They're strongest at the end of this season. Watch and learn Mclaren, not only Redbull.

[varun]

but i really doubt where Mclaren will be without their quali king ...
as button is not necessary good at nailing the Q3 laps....
and i have serious doubt of perez....he has good a bit too much....rather i feel that even Kobayashi deserved a big team if perez got it..
so rather i see it this way...we can again have a straight fight next year with cows...
but i want to see Alonso come out winning ...can see him loosing out more titles...

[Grillo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104615

It's better not to say anything and never promise something you aren't 100% sure you can do. If they're sure then great!

I heard the exhaust system is changing for 2013 so the tubes have to end very near to the rear end pointing upwards and the gases won't be able to feed floor and diffuser like they do now.

Anybody knows all the main changes for next season?

[Rob]

It's better not to say anything and never promise something you aren't 100% sure you can do. If they're sure then great!

I heard the exhaust system is changing for 2013 so the tubes have to end very near to the rear end pointing upwards and the gases won't be able to feed floor and diffuser like they do now.

Anybody knows all the main changes for next season?

Exhaust positions be same next year, 2014 they, it will be 1 out let in the center of the car.

[R Ginart]

We always seem to be lacking a few tenths and very rarely dominate a race.[/QUOTE]

We rarely if ever dominate qualy either.

[SS454]

We always seem to be lacking a few tenths and very rarely dominate a race.

We rarely if ever dominate qualy either.[/QUOTE]

Even in 2002 and 2004 where the car was miles ahead of the competition, they weren't destroyers in qualifying trim. A lot of that came down to the tires though. Maybe they need to figure away to use fluid as moveable ballast like Red Bull has.

[Grillo]

Exhaust positions be same next year, 2014 they, it will be 1 out let in the center of the car.

Thank you mate.

So there won't be major changes for 2013. I'm just afraid to remember what Red Bull did in 2011 when there weren't major changes from 2010.

Let's see what happens.

[Nova]

I think Ferrari may build a whole new design car for 2013 season..

[Jose Lorca]

I think Ferrari may build a whole new design car for 2013 season..

I think the team have already confirmed that next years car is an evolution.

Besides, the F2012 is not a fundamentally bad design and by Canada we were very close to Red Bull and McLaren. It's only because of wind tunnel problems that the other top teams then outdeveloped us. We just need to fix/refine what we already have. Also if we were to build a completely new design we'd have to abandon it at the end of the year, due to the 2014 rule changes.

[Nova]

From Road&Track:
Breaking News: NBC to announce veteran F1, sports car and V-8 supercars host Leigh Diffey along with legendary racer, commentator and bon vivant David Hobbs, plus former Grand Prix mechanic and technical guru Steve Matchett as the three-man team leading coverage from the booth.

[Jas]

With regards to the wind tunnel it is not just a matter of the upgrade, its a matter of understanding it and collerating it, who knows how long this is going to take...I have a feeling we will hear an excuse like this next year if where not performing....Force India are also having a new wind tunnel, as with mercades this year, everyone is moving forward!

[NickEice]

From Road&Track:
Breaking News: NBC to announce veteran F1, sports car and V-8 supercars host Leigh Diffey along with legendary racer, commentator and bon vivant David Hobbs, plus former Grand Prix mechanic and technical guru Steve Matchett as the three-man team leading coverage from the booth.

Glad Hobbs and Matchett made it. Upset that Varsha is not going as well. Not a big fan of Diffey's commentary. Also hope that Will Buxton can make it, love his pit lane commentary and he is usually spot on with what he thinks will be the strategy calls by the team.

[PURE PASSION]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104666

A little scary headline but it's not as it looks!!

[fratelliferrari]

I have a feeling we are going to do well. We have been so close in 2010 and now this year also, so let's get 2013 WDC and WCC!! Forza Ferrari

[fratelliferrari]

The car of 2012 isn't too bad at all in race performance, but we have to get some tenths in Quali. Then it could be a very good year for us Tifosi

[aroutis]

We need to change our mindset a bit.. as a team , that is. Yes, we need to adapt things that helped other teams be in the front line, that's how it always worked and will work. But at the same time we need to innovate ourselves, and I'm sorry to say, we used to be the ones that other teams used to copy, and I don't see much of that anymore.

So we need to do innovative things, make them even go to FiA for clarifications. When we do that, then we can talk bout titles, in my opinion.

[Gerhard Berger]

This car should be a deflawed version of the F2012, and if we are to believe Gary Anderson, the F2012 had many flaws.

[fratelliferrari]

There's is also a positive point if it''s true that there were many flaws on the F2012. That means we can improve the car a lot still because it's far from perfect at the moment.

[Sianellen]

I thought these stats were really quite interesting: (If you check out the link there are some good graphs on there)

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/12/0...r-performance/

McLaren overtook Red Bull as the quickest team on the track in 2012. Ferrari were quicker than in 2011 – but Lotus were ahead of them. Here’s all the data.

This table (see link) compares the fastest lap time set by each team at each race weekend in 2012 (in any session) and shows how far each team was off the quickest last time as a percent.

One point leaps out immediately when comparing this graph with the same data for last year: Red Bull got slower.

It was said from the beginning of the season that the restrictions on exhaust-blowing would hit Adrian Newey’s cars hardest, and here is the proof. Last year they were the quickest team at 18 out of 19 race weekends (94.7%), this year that fell to 7 out of 20 (35%).

While Red Bull felt the effect of the changes most strongly, it had consequences for every team in the pit lane. The field closed up dramatically. Throughout the season there were often six teams covered by 1% on lap time – last year there was usually only three.

The cars at the tail of the field were generally closer to the pace this year. Eight races in it looked as though Caterham were finally going to catch the midfield. Instead they fell back into the clutches of Marussia, who they were involved in a fight for tenth in the championship with until the final race.

Change in performance since last year

Team Average % Average % change
deficit to deficit to
fastest car fastest car
(2012) (2011)

McLaren 0.18 0.5 -0.32
Red Bull 0.38 0.01 +0.37
Lotus* 0.68 2.2 -1.52
Ferrari 0.75 0.83 -0.08
Mercedes 0.87 1.5 -0.63
Williams 0.96 2.76 -1.8
Sauber 1.15 2.75 -1.6
Force India 1.16 2.51 -1.35
Toro Rosso 1.82 3.06 -1.24
Caterham** 3.49 5.18 -1.69
Marussia*** 4.83 6.85 -2.02
HRT 5.73 7.86 -2.13

*Renault in 2011
**Lotus in 2011
***Virgin in 2011

If we average out the teams’ performance across the entire season McLaren emerge as the quickest team ahead of Red Bull (see table).

The pole positions statistics back this up as the two teams took eight each, though McLaren lost one due to a penalty in Spain and Red Bull picked one up for the same reason in Monaco.

Red Bull exhibited crushing pace in the European Grand Prix which prompted speculation they were about to return to their dominance of 2011. However they were later required to make a change to their engine maps which appeared to set them back again. In the latter part of the season they hit the front once more, but McLaren beat them in the final two rounds.

Ferrari’s performance in 2012 was closely scrutinised and the data tells an interesting story.

Having struggled in the first four races, the upgrades introduced in Spain after the Mugello test allowed them to slash their deficit by more than half – progress they built on in the remainder of the year. Over the first four races where they were a dismal 1.26% off, but from Spain the figure was half that: 0.63%.

It might come as a surprise to learn Ferrari were closer to the pace on average in 2012 compared to 2011. They were 0.75% off the ultimate pace throughout 2012 and 0.57% off the quickest car (McLaren) – the corresponding figures for 2011 are 0.83% and 0.78%.

Even so, Lotus were closer to the pace than Ferrari on average, yet scored only one win to the Scuderia’s three. This serves as a reminder that this data reflects single-lap qualifying pace better than race pace.

Reliability:

Performance is meaningless if a car doesn’t get to the end of the race, of course. Ferrari did very well in this respect, with neither car breaking down in a race all year long – in Fernando Alonso’s case, for the second year in a row.

McLaren did conspicuously worse with four non-classifications due to technical problems. Lewis Hamilton broke down while leading in Singapore and Abu Dhabi and Jenson Button did likewise while holding second in Italy.

Those lost points would certainly have been enough to beat Ferrari to second in the constructors’ championship and perhaps overhaul Red Bull too. The adage “to finish first, first you must finish” remains true as ever.

Red Bull also suffered with unreliability, clocking up three race-ending failures. Mercedes had five – all for Michael Schumacher.

As well as exhibiting similar performance to Ferrari, Lotus had similarly good reliability too. Their only race-ending technical failure was suffered by Romain Grosjean while he was running second in Valencia.

[Massimo]

This car should be a deflawed version of the F2012, and if we are to believe Gary Anderson, the F2012 had many flaws.

You can actually understand Gary Anderson?

[PURE PASSION]

SOS!!
The new F2013 is ready:
Attachment 5074

[fratelliferrari]

I don't hope it will look like that to be honest.

[FerrariFanBoii]

SOS!!
The new F2013 is ready:
Attachment 5074

That is even uglier than the F2012

[fratelliferrari]

The F2012 to me is just a beautiful car. If i have to call a not so nice Ferrari F1 car I would say the 2009 car to be honest.

[Massimo]

SOS!!
The new F2013 is ready:
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F2013 Zagato?