Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[Tifoso]

The F2012 to me is just a beautiful car. If i have to call a not so nice Ferrari F1 car I would say the 2009 car to be honest.

F2012 is hideous.

[stefa]

SOS!!
The new F2013 is ready:
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Looks like a supersonic vacuum cleaner

[fratelliferrari]

Haha sorry Tifoso but i really like it very much and I mean it. The world would be boring if we would all have the same opinion I guess

[Tifoso]

Haha sorry Tifoso but i really like it very much and I mean it. The world would be boring if we would all have the same opinion I guess

No question about it, amico mio.

[F1NAC]

we need to redesign the sidepod shape , because there is airflow in mess

[zakfourie]

I know there has been a lot of discussions around our windtunnel...
Just want to get in straight, the one in Maranello is uncalibrated?
If that was the case and we used Toyota's hi-tech one, why did we still struggle?

What is the future plans now that the one will be shut down?
Didn't we operated with 2 windtunnels once upon a time?

[Hermann]

I know there has been a lot of discussions around our windtunnel...
Just want to get in straight, the one in Maranello is uncalibrated?
If that was the case and we used Toyota's hi-tech one, why did we still struggle?

What is the future plans now that the one will be shut down?
Didn't we operated with 2 windtunnels once upon a time?

As far as i remember the Toyota windtunnel has given us trouble too, so i'm not sure how much the engineers can still rely on that. I'm not too optimistic about the whole issue, on the other hand, is windtunnel testing not also related to the approbiate software?

Ups- just stumbled over that- a Ferrari cartoon

[Hornet]

I know there has been a lot of discussions around our windtunnel...
Just want to get in straight, the one in Maranello is uncalibrated?
If that was the case and we used Toyota's hi-tech one, why did we still struggle?

What is the future plans now that the one will be shut down?
Didn't we operated with 2 windtunnels once upon a time?

IIRC, we used the Toyota's wind tunnel for comparison and that's how we knew there was issues with our wind tunnel. Both times.

The F2012 was designed completely in our own wind tunnel. Of course, later upgrades may or may not be tested in Toyota's wind tunnel, we don't know.

[Kyss4k]

Ups- just stumbled over that- a Ferrari cartoon

Cool idea! I like it :xmasbiggrin:

Hopefuly they have a cool ideas not only for videos but mainly for F2013

[fratelliferrari]

Yes indeed it's a lot better cartoon than Tooned of Mclaren haha

[varun]

No news on the F2013 guys?

i hope they are making something epic....bcoz it should not be 2012 Australia repeat. where our cars were all over the place..

[vcs316]

As far as i remember the Toyota windtunnel has given us trouble too, so i'm not sure how much the engineers can still rely on that. I'm not too optimistic about the whole issue, on the other hand, is windtunnel testing not also related to the approbiate software?

Ups- just stumbled over that- a Ferrari cartoon

At first I thought they were using all the fans as a WIND TUNNEL !!! :xmasbiggrin:

[fratelliferrari]

Yes Iam already nervous for Australia but Ferrari will do everything to have a competitive car there.

[Hornet]

Yes Iam already nervous for Australia but Ferrari will do everything to have a competitive car there.

Same here. I can't wait to see Ferrari unveil the new car. If we see something special on the car, it would help boost my confidence :xmastongue: I would be even more nervous if it looks exactly like this year's car :xmaseek:

Can't wait for February

[Massimo]

I think we will see a change in the side pods and the step nose cover of course

[fratelliferrari]

That creation doesn't look really different to the F2012 to me.

[varun]

totally new exhausts in 2013 in our car? right??
dont want to see more Gary Anderson articles teaching us what to do..

and anyone knows which wind tunnel is being used for the 2013 car...?
hope its working correctly..

[Massimo]

That creation doesn't look really different to the F2012 to me.

It is the 2012 car, next year a step nose cover is allowed, this is just an example how that might look.

[FrankAlfa]

My personal feeling is that Ferrari will follow the McLaren route for the design of the F2013. McLaren had a vastly quicker race car and managed its tire very well. I doubt we will see a very radical change in designs and only the nose and sidepods will change in shape to a degree. The question is, based on the rules changes, will Red Bull's advantage of having the "Flexing" Chassis and Flexing Front Wing" be reduced or cancelled? The hope is that it is greatly reduced or cancelled all together. I think we will see more in the way of "Turning Vanes" to direct air flow and lower side pod height on the F2013. We may see a car built totally around the Coanda Effect or one with less of the use of the Coanda Effect on the race car and more turning vanes to channel air better. I also see greater front wing cascade elements to tune the air as it first hits the front of the race car. The rules dictate what can be done on the Aero side and the biggest problems faced by Ferrari are coming to grips with the huge amount of data they need to catch up to lead at the front. Ferrari have a very good Aero Team now and these Engineers know how to get there but it will just take time to run solutions to problems and make it happen.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[fratelliferrari]

Which windtunnel at whatever place doesn't bother me but it has to be a good working one.

[Jas]

Just a quick question or opinion, it has been confirmed that the aero package for 2014 is not going to be imposed and thus where sticking to the 2012 spec...this is surley bad for us isnt it and good for the bulls?!?!!?

[Massimo]

Presentation of the Ferrari F2013 2nd of February Maranello

The new Ferrari F2013 or project 664 will be revealed the 2nd of February, in the afternoon, weather permitting, Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa will do the shake down.
Project 664 will be shown to the press and Tifosi between the 30th of January and the 2nd of February, as is the tradition of the Scuderia.
So there is still 44-46 days to go for simulations, evaluations, assembly and preparations for the track debut at the Fiorano track, assuming the snow will not spoil the party as it did last year.
Both Alonso and Felipe will do a 100km. shake down, before leaving for the wintertest in Jerez de la Frontera, starting at the 5th of February, where we will see a lot of the 2013 cars and i'm sure some 2012 hybrids also.


Source:OmniCorse.it

[fratelliferrari]

Thanks Massimo! Now we can count the days:xmasbiggrin:

[stefa]

Thanks Massimo for info on new F2013 or project 664. Just for curiosity sake, will project number in 2015 be 666? :xmasbiggrin:

[Massimo]

Thanks Massimo for info on new F2013 or project 664. Just for curiosity sake, will project number in 2015 be 666? :xmasbiggrin:

Ha,ha, i was thinking the same thing, i wonder if that would create some problems in Italy :twisted

[Rob]

Here's how to change the F1 in 2013!
Increase the minimum weight, no double DRS, rear suspension and front fairing pull
December 10, 2012 08:49

The FIA World Council, which was held in Istanbul has defined the regulatory changes that affect the Formula 1 car for next year: this detail changes that are not going to revolutionize the machines, so there will be continuity with the , 2012. It will be interesting to see if there will be someone who will interpret the rules with innovative ideas, or if, instead, we will see more and more of the cars that will develop the same ideas already expressed in the course of this season. The Queen is to copy the Red Bull Racing RB8, but it is said that, for example in Maranello, want to marry all the solutions adopted by Adrian Newey on the Ferrari 664 (this is for the moment the project number), but only those which grow well in the aerodynamic concept of the Red Army. We will see what will change on the 2013 F1 ...

COVERED REAR SUSPENSION Nicholas Tombazis Ferrari will bring to the rear of the rear suspension fairing, with a large wing that will include the triangles of the rear suspension and axle. According to rumors there will be only the car Horse to orientate in this direction, in a strategic area of the machine: with an appropriate design can become a true airfoil additional, although it must have an impact neutral regulation, which directs flows aileron lower back and the speaker. Adrian Newey has gone to fish out an idea that had already submitted the Williams FW16 in 1994, the ill-fated car in which Ayrton Senna died at Imola and has evolved on RB8 year.

ROD PULL THE FRONT WILL 'SCHOOL must say the Circus is ready to embrace the ideas that work: the engineers have not only designed Red Bull Racing, but they are ready to take the front suspension of the Ferrari F2012 with the schema pull Roda follow the new trend and there will certainly McLaren Lotus, but almost certainly will add to the list the Mercedes along with other cars. disappears STEP ON THE FACE On the 2013 cars will disappear from the stair nose: the FIA, in fact, granted the adoption of some sort of cover with simple aesthetic function in the transition between the frame (which can be as high 625 mm) and the nose (which can not exceed 550 mm). The reconciliation between the two parties will no longer take place in just 150 mm but will be granted the assembly of what the British have dubbed the "vanity panel" which will make the design of the front of the car more harmonious, without preclude their effectiveness in event of an accident (you want snouts lower than the belt of the frame to prevent dangerous rammed the driver in the event of a side impact in an accident).

PIU 'CHECKS ALI FLEXIBLE In 2013 we will see more aileron sophisticated than those we noticed in During the season just ended for some teams were programmed deformation. The International Federation tightens controls to prevent the flexibility of the forewings. The checks will be made ​​at several points wing, both in the transverse plane, and on the long side. In this way, the technical Charlie Whiting count to neutralize the efforts of those who managed to circumvent the static checks the box with parts that seemed fixed and flexible track which then became progressively increasing downforce. MOBILE ALA ARE IN POINT DETECTION The second important change concerns the limitation of the DRS in qualifying and in practice it will not be as free as it has been until now, but will be bound to the detection point (in one or two points of the circuit), as in competition. The FIA has heard reports of pilots who had impeached the exaggerated use of the wing moving in qualifying and had created dangerous situations for the sudden lack of output load curves.

FORBIDDEN DRS DOUBLE PILOT The FIA has decided to ban all systems that can be controlled by the opening of the wing movable to actuate a second device. It is a running back after conceding the Mercedes throughout the year using the F Duct front, a concept that is not in the spirit of the regulation. Took advantage of the Red Bull Racing to create a Super DRS in the rear that has been used at the end of the season. ALLOWED INCOME SYSTEMS In fact, the double DRS does not disappear, but will allow only solutions completely passive and will not be affected by ' Mobile opening of the wing. The solutions that Mercedes and Lotus have experienced during the mid-season practice are regular, but terribly difficult to set up, so that there were still seen in the race. The idea will not be discarded (indeed it is the analysis of other team) and will be adequately developed over the winter. PIRELLI TYRES PIU 'HEAVY . It also increases the minimum weight of the cars that year was 640 kg with the driver on board, the increase would have been dictated by the new Pirelli tires. There are those who talk about 5 kg but there also those who argue that we can get about ten pounds, as the Milan wants to propose in 2013 covers more performance, able to beat the record of the tracks ...

FOR UNDERSTANDING DESIGN TECH EFFE 1 1) The FIA has granted to link the step in the nose for the car in 2013 2) The bending test of the front will be more stringent: the weight of 100 kg will be applied in several places, both transverse and longitudinal 3) The new Pirelli tires will weigh more, which increases the minimum weight of the car 4) Ferrari has become a real trend in 2012 by introducing the suspension pull rod that will be copied by many other cars 5) At the rear you will also see the red solution of the drive shaft fairing Red Bull RB8 6) The use of the DRS in qualifying will be aligned with the one in the race. Double DRS will be prohibited unless it is a completely passive system

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/238...posto-nel-2013

[wisepie]

Grazie for that, Rob, think we may understand some of it despite the translation, and am I right in assuming someone is actually copying Ferrari? That must say something and if so, we have a head start, surely. Bring it on.:xmasbiggrin:

[Massimo]

Grazie for that, Rob, think we may understand some of it despite the translation, and am I right in assuming someone is actually copying Ferrari? That must say something and if so, we have a head start, surely. Bring it on.:xmasbiggrin:

Yes, the front pull rod suspension, will almost certain be copied by McLaren, Lotus and probably Mercedes.

[Hermann]

There are many things i don't like about RB, but one of them is when i get actually more curious about how RB will get around the rules again and build another rocket than what we can expect from the new Ferrari.

[Rob]

There are many things i don't like about RB, but one of them is when i get actually more curious about how RB will get around the rules again and build another rocket than what we can expect from the new Ferrari.

Just reading couple artcles that Newey has said it is becoming very hard to find big improvements now and the field is getting ever so closer, and there are no significant changes in the rules, also said that there will be no big surprises to the car. As it being an evolution.