Well, today many people got up on left foot, or something like that, and after qualies they needed something to brake with sledgehammer !Originally Posted by stefa
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Well, today many people got up on left foot, or something like that, and after qualies they needed something to brake with sledgehammer !
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I wouldn't be so upset if this is not a trend since 2010....
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FIA orders Lotus to change illegal front suspension
29 June, 2013
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Lotus has been told to bring a modified front suspension layout to next weekend’s German Grand Prix.
The FIA told the Enstone based team at Silverstone on Saturday that the current layout does not comply with the rules, Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport reports.
That is because the regulations allow a maximum of three suspension elements, but a McLaren-commissioned photo at Silverstone has revealed that Lotus’ 2013 layout has an obscured fourth. (GMM)
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People got hope that this is the year of ' killing the bull ', but this situation destroyed their hopes!
And for people being critical about Ferrari engineers, remember that no one managed to deliver against red bull from 2009. How many teams during how many years spent how much money to out develop them?
That is a lot of money spent through lot of time by first class engineers!
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Thing is the team is unwilling to compromise race pace to improve qualifying pace. They made that clear a month or two back.
The qualifying thread was closed because it was getting too hot. Good decision by the moderators to close it down for the time being as it would have only gotten worse.
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If it happens again what we saw today (it will not get that far) Be infractions and warnings handed out to people who are not respecting forum rules, i.e insulting members, MODS, team members.
Vent your frustration, but please please think before you type, you may not think its nothing, but someone else may think its insulting.
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I wonder where we went wrong. It is clear that Alonso has been covering up for the team by not saying that the parts don't work for the last several races. He probably thought enough is enough for the team. If he is thinking like this it is not a good situation for the team. The team itself did no favours by raising hopes by having a competitive expectation. Alonso may feel like he has been played about here always being told to be patient, that we are bringing in new parts and the car will be faster, etc. Thing is if you mention these things to him and don't deliver it can hurt a lot.
Luca or Stefano need to realise where the weakest links are and outline ways of improving. And also stop or get rid of - it's clear some people are covering themselves.
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It isn't that simple , I mean relationship between Alonso and Ferrari isn't as we fans think. The whole Ferrari works for Fernando in a way, the whole Ferrari. Greatest team in F1 and biggest name in a world of sport cars! Alonso knows this and knows how much effort and money whole team puts in goal to be the best team in the world. But that isn't easy to achieve! Just look at Mclaren or Lotus and how much time they spent to be better than red bull! Ferrari is putting 120% into it and Alonso does too! It isn't right to attack the team abuse if there wasn't Newey ,Ferrari would win 3 more WDC and WCC!
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I don't know if this has been posted already elsewhere, but here it goes, moderator please delete if duplicated.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108425
Autosport reports Raikkonen to race Lotus' passive DRS in the Grand Prix tomorrow, as he qualified with the part on the car. I didn't see images of Kimi's car on the world feed in quali, so I thought I'd share. Will be fascinating to see any race pace advantages it provides (if any).
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So they are allowed to race a layout that does not comply with the rules....FIA orders Lotus to change illegal front suspension
29 June, 2013
Lotus E21 front end detail
Lotus has been told to bring a modified front suspension layout to next weekend’s German Grand Prix.
The FIA told the Enstone based team at Silverstone on Saturday that the current layout does not comply with the rules, Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport reports.
That is because the regulations allow a maximum of three suspension elements, but a McLaren-commissioned photo at Silverstone has revealed that Lotus’ 2013 layout has an obscured fourth. (GMM)
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Seems to be a trend with FIA these days. Broken a rule? Gets told nicely to change it later (or reprimand to tell them not to do it again).
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So this race and Germany where we should do good are now bad races like the rest, GREAT!!! Lost another year...
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Seems normal, if Pirelli change the tyres specifications to favor his image and, coincidentally, two teams.
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Silverstone International Circuit, UK (30/06/2013)
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I read somewhere between comments that Ferrari are using Maranello updated wind tunnel again! Is there any news about it?
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Ferrari F138 - new rear wing 29 June 2013
Ferrari have debuted a new rear wing at the high-speed Silverstone circuit, the major change being the vertical slot (left arrow) in the front, lower section of the endplate, as originally introduced by Williams and since used by several other teams. Meanwhile, the area where the end of the flap section meets the endplate is quite similar to the solution used by the Scuderia at the last round in Canada.
http://www.formula1.com/news/technic.../901/1080.html
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... Maybe we should try another way around. Everytime we say: we want make improvement or we are improving car the result is ... hmmmm ... 'moderate'. As isn't working that way we should say "we worsen the car" ... Maybe it works then? Try the opposite?!;)
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Don't buy in to that. Probably just some fans trying to defend the bad pace. Rather sure that kind of news would have popped up long ago and as i recall, the wind tunnel wont be used this year, as the team stated months ago.I read somewhere between comments that Ferrari are using Maranello updated wind tunnel again! Is there any news about it?
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I thought I heard them say at the beginning of the season that they were reverting back to their own wind tunnel in the summer....
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Toyota ready to help Ferrari for 2013 car development – Formula 1 news
Toyota are ready to help Ferrari in their car development for the 2013 Formula 1 season, according to reports from newspapers, El Mundo Deportivo and Kolner Express.
The Scarlet team faced issues at their wind tunnel in Maranello earlier this year and the problems are expected to persist until August 2013. Nevertheless, Ferrari will use Toyota facility at Cologne so as to develop their next year’s car.
Ferrari team principal, Stefano Domenicali said earlier that they cannot work in two wind tunnels at the same time as it would be too risky. Therefore, he confirmed that they will not use the facility at Maranello.
On the other hand, the president of the Italian team, Luca di Montezemolo said that Cologne is going to be the exclusive site for the development of their next year’s car.
“We will develop the 2013 car exclusively in the Toyota wind tunnel to avoid confusion and mistakes,” the 65-year-old said.
Meanwhile, Toyota Motorsport GmbH’s business operations director, Rob Leupen assured that they will provide the best of the services to Ferrari.
“Our clients are very happy with our wind tunnel services,” Leupen commented.
It will be important to mention that Ferrari struggled throughout the pre-season testing programme this year and failed to develop a competent car as compared to their rivals. Additionally, their technical director, Pat Fry even dismissed the chances of securing a podium finish in the season opener and expected to face immense difficulties during the opening few races.
Nonetheless, their driver, Fernando Alonso performed incredibly well throughout the season and scored points with appreciable consistency.
Though, the Spaniard fought right until the end of the season, however, he still lost the championship battle to Sebastian Vettel of Red Bull Racing who seemed uncatchable during the last few races with the quickest car.
Montezemolo has asserted that they are not upset over the result of this season and are confidently looking forward to come up stronger in the next year right from the start, with a more competitive car.
Besides, he said that they are targeting to make the most out of the winter testing in order to develop a competent car for the coming year.
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After Canada I heard ( can't remember where ) that Ferrari could be experiencing problemas with the Toyota wind tunnel in Cologne just like it happened with the one in Maranello that forced Ferrari to shut it down to update it. I didn't pay much attention, but today I have read in some paper that the two outfits currently using the Toyota tunnel ( Ferrari and McLaren ) and those which appear to be stuck with no progress on their development in the last weeks. Don't know what to think ...
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No, this is nonsense. Our only problem is the designer who doesn't know what he's doing. Toyota's facilities are top-notch, there's no excuse.After Canada I heard ( can't remember where ) that Ferrari could be experiencing problemas with the Toyota wind tunnel in Cologne just like it happened with the one in Maranello that forced Ferrari to shut it down to update it. I didn't pay much attention, but today I have read in some paper that the two outfits currently using the Toyota tunnel ( Ferrari and McLaren ) and those which appear to be stuck with no progress on their development in the last weeks. Don't know what to think ...
Just look at the F138 and imagine you're a big lump of air as wide as the car and just as tall. While you're traversing the car from front to the back, you're going to hit more bodywork on the Ferrari than on any other car. The cross-section is enormous, especially at the back with those very large sidepod exits. Nobody else has that on their cars - not as big I mean - yet the Ferrari designer thinks that's the way to go because he lacks any sort of creativity. We've been having major traction problems since that concept's been introduced last year on the F2012 and continued to struggle this year with the improved F138.
The aero doesn't work because the design is flawed. How hard could it be to have a single air exit above the gearbox like Red Bull have? Jesus, just look the the rear of the Red Bull versus that of the Ferrari. Mechanically, we're ahead of them, yet aerodynamically we have lots of crap blocking the airflow. Why didn't Tombazis mount a parachute on the F138 to "improve" the performance.
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My concern is developing the 2014 car with an UNTESTED updated Ferrari wind tunnel....now if we don't preform next year, I'm pretty sure I know what the excuse is
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'Hey, mr. Aerodynamic expert, why don't you e-mail all your extensive knowledge and ideas to Ferrari and then we'll be winning every race and championship in no time.' pffff LOL
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Then I would ask why Do we always get the wrong delivering wind tunnel. As it seems RBs one delivers good & reliable results over some periodes without any huge problems.After Canada I heard ( can't remember where ) that Ferrari could be experiencing problemas with the Toyota wind tunnel in Cologne just like it happened with the one in Maranello that forced Ferrari to shut it down to update it. I didn't pay much attention, but today I have read in some paper that the two outfits currently using the Toyota tunnel ( Ferrari and McLaren ) and those which appear to be stuck with no progress on their development in the last weeks. Don't know what to think ...
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I don't think it is just wind tunnel. It could be how we interpret the results or our methods of setting up the scale model or our working methods to yield the results. Very complicated matter.
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I don't think we're that good with the wind tunnel. Not that the wind tunnel is not good enough but we don't know how to work with it to a good enough level. Maybe it is due to years of working with a faulty wind tunnel that has prevented us from improving further in terms of how to work with a wind tunnel who knows? I just hope this isn't a precursor to excuses that we may hear from the team later if we lose.
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2014: a new era for the F1 engine
Maranello, 1st July – The expression “don’t wish your life away” just cannot be upheld in Formula 1, because long before one year is over, before one car has been fully developed, it’s time to think of the following year. It has always been the case that the next year’s car design work starts in the early part of the current year, with some teams running two completely different design teams, one for the even numbered years and the other for the odd. Now, in July 2013, the following year has never seemed such a short time away, because of the incredibly significant changes to the technical regulations.
Instead of the current 2.4 litre naturally aspirated V8s, next year the engines will be 1.6 litre turbocharged with an energy recovery system built in. The energy recovery system will be powered off the exhaust and will deliver around an extra 160 horsepower for over 30 seconds each lap. The engines will have a rev limit of 15000 rpm and have to last for around 5000 kilometres as opposed to the current 2000. Added to significant changes on other areas of the car, it all goes to make for the biggest changes the sport has seen in decades. On hand in the Silverstone paddock, on the Friday of the British Grand Prix, to discuss the engine aspect with the media was Scuderia Ferrari’s Head of Engines, Luca Marmorini.
“There is no one single aspect of the new project that is more critical than the next,” began the engineer. “I’d say it’s difficult in all 360 degrees. For example, the turbo is a new type which runs to 25,000 rpm and is definitely something absolutely new. Also the very complex electronics and management systems are a very big step forward, which means that engine management will be a very difficult challenge.”
In the past, when racing at tracks that put the engines under a lot of pressure, it was customary for several drivers to retire with engine failure, but in recent times, we have almost taken for granted a level of reliability that is exceptional for a racing engine. That is down to the fact that current F1 engines have barely changed in the past few years, but next year, will be a different story. “We have to develop the power train in a short space of time and this means that reliability will be the factor that will decide the races in the early part of the season,” reckoned Marmorini. “In most cases people will locate their turbos in the central rear part of the engine and therefore near the electronics and the temperatures can reach a thousand degrees and that won’t be an easy matter to deal with. Managing temperatures will be one of the main areas we will have to work on.” Testing on the bench has been going on for some time now. “We already had a prototype running on the test bench towards the end of last year, while we are completing the one that will run in the actual car at the moment,” revealed Marmorini. “We have a very challenging plan to be ready in March. We can’t afford any hiccough today and I am confident that we will be ready. We have been working for some time to have this car ready but it’s a challenging task. Only at the first race next year will we see if we have done a good job.”
Another regulation that is exercising the minds of the scientists is that the fuel flow of these new power units must not exceed 100 kilos per hour and there are concerns this could mark a return to drivers having to save fuel rather than race. “Ferrari feels this could be a danger,” admitted Marmorini. “We like Formula 1 to consider efficiency, but we don’t like Formula 1 to be a sport where you are cruising for 50% of the laps.”
At the moment, engine development is frozen but with the brand new 2014 project, there has to be a thaw. “With a completely new power unit, some sort of development from the first to the second year has to be done,” continued Ferrari’s engine man. “The amount of modifications you can do will reduce each year, from a fair amount of modifications for the first year and then in the second and third years, the number of modifications will be reduced. By the third and fourth years we will come to a situation which is very similar to what we have right now.” No discussion about an F1 engine can be complete without talking about horsepower, so Marmorini did just that. “When we defined these regulations with the FIA the idea was to have very similar horsepower to what we have today. A current F1 engine has around 750 horsepower, and you have 80 horsepower more from the KERS. Next year, with an engine having somewhere between 600 and 650 horsepower and an additional 160 horsepower coming from the ERS, if you add the two it’s very similar to what you have today. Next year, whoever can handle the engine in a good way and be reliable will have good results. But it will be difficult to run the season without issues, considering we are talking about four to five thousand kilometres per unit which is almost double what we are doing right now.”
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/2014-era-f1-engine
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...that is going to be a lot of miles and stress on teh engines next year, and i think we're going to see a LOT of blown up engines, mainly because it's gonna be a brand new engine for ALL engine manufacturers, Ferrari, renault and Mercedes
but however does the better homework at building a strong reliable engine as well as fuel efficient will comp up on TOP, and i hope that manufacturer is FERRARI...
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