Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[Hermann]

Just reading couple artcles that Newey has said it is becoming very hard to find big improvements now and the field is getting ever so closer, and there are no significant changes in the rules, also said that there will be no big surprises to the car. As it being an evolution.

Ok but to be honest, i don't trust anything coming from RB further than i can throw their car.

[Tifoso]

Ok but to be honest, i don't trust anything coming from RB further than i can throw their car.

Hahahahaha

[Rob]

Ok but to be honest, i don't trust anything coming from RB further than i can throw their car.

very true. But really with the rules getting tougher on flexi parts and being stable again nest year, there cannt really be much more they can do in that area"cheating".

[AfterLife]

Just reading couple artcles that Newey has said it is becoming very hard to find big improvements now and the field is getting ever so closer, and there are no significant changes in the rules, also said that there will be no big surprises to the car. As it being an evolution.

As usual mind games from Newey. Little Newey stop your mind games

[Tifoso]

Mate,

your sig: it should be losing, not loosing

[AfterLife]

Mate,

your sig: it should be losing, not loosing

Where, what, who

[Jose Lorca]

From Autosprint:

Double commitment and a new nose.
Working on the projects in 2013 and 2014. The next year's car can cover the step on the snout. And imitate the suspension of Red Bull.

A car a bit 'faster and a little' more than luck. Stefano Domenicali, Ferrari absent at the Day of Valencia, the letter to Santa Claus has already completed, with its demands for 2013. Assuming now - good start - that the next year is a difficult challenge, since in reality there are not already in Maranello two separate working groups. One for the 664 project, that is the car that will debut in two months in testing, and one for the "technical revolution" of 2014, which involves a lot more motorists, involved in the regulation providing for the V6 turbo. The dual energy recovery and more.

While luck can not buy the car a bit 'faster you can actually build. It is impressive to think that while the World Cup 2012 is just finished, in a few weeks the first real completed copy of the new car at Maranello for functional tests. It should be a little 'less ugly than the last, since permission to use the "vanity panel", the cover that conceals, for purely aesthetic purposes, the muzzle stepped. Dificult that Ferrari do you miss this opportunity, but of occasions, with the project F2012, they've lost a lot, and Montezemolo has already asked for a thorough review of what has been and has not been done. It's incredible that in the last races of the Force India Red in front of the same title: we speak of a car, the VJM05, whose development had been arrested already for a couple of months. While, in theory at least, the Ferrari continued to experiment and improve. Although Alonso and Massa (which now states: "The indecision about my future has affected performance") did not appear in the season finale, very convinced or satisfied, the alleged technical developments.

We are confident that between now and Christmas, or at least the appointment di Campiglio, Fernando and Ferrari will have studied the recipe for forgetting the "misunderstandings" of this lately. Meanwhile, from Maranello bounces the rumor that the project F2013 (or 664) should return some solutions Red Bull for the rear suspension. We talk about the cowling in the area of ​​the drive shaft, obtained by "stretching" the triangles, while respecting the rule requiring a maximum ratio of 3.5 between length and height. In this way you do not create a negative lift surface, which would be forbidden, but rather a surface per mile direct air to the diffuser. Simple and, as we have seen, effective.

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[F1NAC]

The key points of the project F2013: fairing rear triangle and confirmation of the system Pull-Rod.

The new Red Army, which is called "Project 664", should be submitted between 30 January and 2 February 2013. As has happened in recent years the car Horse will race for a shakedown of 100 km (50 km Alonso and Massa 50 km) at the Fiorano track (time to
making), before being packed and shipped in the Jerez de la Frontera, where there will be the first winter testing session.

In an article by Giorgio Piola published in the pages of the Gazzetta dello Sport, the commentator explains that the 2013 Ferrari will retain 90% of the changes introduced in the 2012 car. In the first place will remain unchanged the front pull rod suspension system which has greatly impressed during this season. An innovation may be the fairing of the upper triangle of the rear suspension. The team led by Pat Fry will copy this system from the RB8 world champion 2012.

This system rescued by Newey archive of memories, was introduced in the Williams FW16 of 1994 precisely designed by Adrian Newey. Using this particular Ferrari intends to "clean up" what is the intended airflow to the rear of the car. In fact, improving the interaction between the profiles of the suspension, the diffuser and discharges, one should also those that increase the grip is in a neuralgic area always weak point of the last cars of Maranello. In this sense, there will be the removal of the infamous "step" that did so much to discuss fans of F1.

The red should also shave some glitches related to the configuration of the discharge and the load rear of the car, sore point of this 2012 season. The Maranello team will adopt aerodynamic inspired by Red Bull in 2012. The Coanda effect, produced by the interaction between the shape of the sides and the exhaust gases from the exhausts, will probably be one of the most important topics to be developed in order to obtain a winning car. 2013 cars in any case will only be an updated version of those already seen this year as in 2014 there will be a change regulatory turbo.

Australia is still far but somewhere near Maranello is already beginning to work on what will be the 2013 season.

[fratelliferrari]

Iam getting nervous for 2 February already:xmastongue:

[stefa]

So the countdown begins...:xmassmile:

[Suzie]

Hopefully they will announce the official launch date soon for those of us who want to take the day off work!

[FrankAlfa]

Yes, Ferrari will have to take advantage of Every Aspect of the Race Car that can gain downforce. Ferrari have to think that the other teams will exploit every aspect of the race car so they will have to do More than any other team to b e ahead. My feeling is that Ferrari need to find 1 Full Second a lap! The Coanda Effect will have to go at least two or three steps beyond what they have now! We will need to see big redesigns at the front and the rear wings, big reduction to the sidepods and much more vertical fins and cascade elements at many parts of the front wing, rear diffuser, rear wing, about the top of the race car and area between the floor and the sidepod and maybe see a double floor again. One thing is for sure, Ferrari must stop restricting the Coke Bottle shape at the rear. I say push the sidepods forward and clean up the air flow at the rear diffuser.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[bluesilhouettes]

Yes, Ferrari will have to take advantage of Every Aspect of the Race Car that can gain downforce. Ferrari have to think that the other teams will exploit every aspect of the race car so they will have to do More than any other team to b e ahead. My feeling is that Ferrari need to find 1 Full Second a lap! The Coanda Effect will have to go at least two or three steps beyond what they have now! We will need to see big redesigns at the front and the rear wings, big reduction to the sidepods and much more vertical fins and cascade elements at many parts of the front wing, rear diffuser, rear wing, about the top of the race car and area between the floor and the sidepod and maybe see a double floor again. One thing is for sure, Ferrari must stop restricting the Coke Bottle shape at the rear. I say push the sidepods forward and clean up the air flow at the rear diffuser.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

I can image the car will look like MP4-27 as your saying.
It will be nice. :xmasbiggrin:

[FrankAlfa]

Maybe, but that was the "fastest" race car in the 2012 season. Couple that "Speed" with elements of the F2012 and throw in the realiability Ferrari had this past season and Ferrari will be back to their rightful place, leading the field.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[bluesilhouettes]

I belive fuel pump, battery, gearbox hydraulic, KERS, alternator or some other components in the car dont affect too much outer shape of the car.
MC did not have reliability because of individual component problem.

[fratelliferrari]

I hope the car will look like this year's! I only want it to be a more competitive that 's the only thing I wish:xmascool:

[radosav]

what numbers will Fernando and Felipe have on their cars?

[vcs316]

what numbers will Fernando and Felipe have on their cars?

Alonso will have Number 3
Massa will have Number 4

[fratelliferrari]

Fernando #3 Felipe #4 :xmastongue:

[stefa]

Alonso will have Number 3
Massa will have Number 4

Same starting numbers as they were on MS and RB F1-2000 back in 2000, when MS started his dominance with Ferrari... Hope this is a good omen :xmastongue:

[Senna4Ever]

I hope the car will look like this year's! I only want it to be a more competitive that 's the only thing I wish:xmascool:

... as long as the car is as fast as a hunting-leopard the car can look like a hippo ...

[pat_oficial]

The car should be so great that we should beat redbull n Vettel in 2013

[Massimo]

Ferrari is working hard on the project 664, the technical staff has studied the F2012 intensively, in order to keep the strong points and to improve the many weak features of the car.
The whole design was based around the Acer exhausts, which were quickly abandoned, because they did not give the desired results on track, this was one of the main reasons the F2012 performed not as expected.
The 664 will no longer have this exhaust system, but will most likely use the sides/exhaust concept as seen on the Sauber and Red Bull, this system has proven to be the most effective way of using the hot air from the exhausts and improving downforce, because of this change, they will have to redesign the diffusor.

A lot of work will also be done on the front and rear wings, David Sanchez, former head of aerodynamics McLaren, has joined Ferrari and is working especially on this, most likely he will completely redesign the DRS system, which was also one of the weak points of the F2012.
The pull rod front suspension will stay and will probably be used by McLaren and Lotus also, a system that was abandoned because of the higher noses, but came back in fashion with the 2012/2013 technical regulations, which forced the teams to lower the front area of the car.

The pull rod is already confirmed on the 664, as it allows a lower center of gravity of the car (shock absorbers and torsion bars are placed lower) but the biggest gain is of aerodynamic nature, because it provides a cleaner air flow towards the rear diffusor.
Mechanically the front suspension will undergo some changes, to make it more stable especially when braking, a known problem of the F2012, and to make the car more compatible with the new Pirelli tyres, the same will hapen to the rear suspension.

In the rear area we will almost certain see a solution, as seen on this year Red Bull, but also as far back as on the Williams FW16 1994, this solution is to encase the rear suspension with an aerodynamic foil, including the triangles of the suspension and the axle shaft, in this way, the whole rear suspension becomes an airflow profile.
This profile will guide the airflow to the lower profile of the rear wing and the diffusor, thereby increasing the downforce of the car.

Source:Analisi Tecnica Formula 1

[fratelliferrari]

Thanks for posting Massimo! Iam getting nervous already:xmasbiggrin:

[Hornet]

Scarbs posted about the Red Bull's ramp system earlier on during the season, where flow vis paint showed that air is leaking out of the tunnel. The tunnel under the ramp is just not enough to accommodate the high speed side pod flow which may explain why Red Bull have bad straightline speed. But they make up for that in the downforce the blown diffuser give them. It will be more risky than McLaren's design. We need to get the blown diffuser right if we want to sacrifice our straight line speed.

[fratelliferrari]

Does anyone know why the project for 2013 calls 664? Anyone has any idea where the numbers are linking to?

[Rob]

Does anyone know why the project for 2013 calls 664? Anyone has any idea where the numbers are linking to?

last years car was 663. I cannt remember when and how the numbers started

[Massimo]

Scarbs posted about the Red Bull's ramp system earlier on during the season, where flow vis paint showed that air is leaking out of the tunnel. The tunnel under the ramp is just not enough to accommodate the high speed side pod flow which may explain why Red Bull have bad straightline speed. But they make up for that in the downforce the blown diffuser give them. It will be more risky than McLaren's design. We need to get the blown diffuser right if we want to sacrifice our straight line speed.

The higher top speed was in fact increasing the problems at the rear side, due to the higher speed, the back of the car is pushed more towards the track, neutralising a lot of the diffusers work.
Then at braking before the corner, the back comes up again, but because of an to aggressive DRS the rear wing didn't immediately start to feed the diffuser, it stayed in a sort of neutral position for a short period of time, enough time though for the car to enter the corner with a lot less down force, and a very unstable rear, to prevent this they reduced down force at the front, resulting in under steer.

So that DRS could be used freely in qualification was really hurting us, every time the drivers opened DRS in between corners they had higher speed, but lost the gained time entering the corner because of the "neutral" position of the diffuser, so the more (slow) corners a track had, the more often the problem occurred, that explained i think the difference in qualification and the race pace, because in the race DRS could be used in 1 or 2 area's, so it didn't hurt us so much.
So i gladly go back in straight line speed if we can get the diffuser working the way it should, there's more time to be won in the corners with good downforce, then there is with a higher straight line speed.

Per Sempre Forza Ferrari!

[Tifoso]

last years car was 663. I cannt remember when and how the numbers started

64 years since our 1st GP

Not sure what the extra 6 is, though...

[Rob]

64 years since our 1st GP

Not sure what the extra 6 is, though...

thats it, grazie Lou :xmasbiggrin: