Ferrari F138 - Development and News

[mirafiori]

Nova always remains calm, in all the years he's posted here I've never seen him act the opposite.... I'm not certain why you think he needs to relax?

So it is OK for Nova to have an opinion against another member on the forum, ( giodap ) but not for me to have an opinion. very sad would you like me to sit at the back of the class room.

[F1NAC]

You know I was being sarcastic??

Big upgrade.. yes we need that but our team is so unsecured about bringing them for fp q and race

[giodap]

So it is OK for Nova to have an opinion against another member on the forum, ( giodap ) but not for me to have an opinion. very sad would you like me to sit at the back of the class room.

No mirafiori, go and stand in the corner and face the wall

[mirafiori]

No mirafiori, go and stand in the corner and face the wall

OK Sir, don't tell my dad.

[radosav]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/194331/...roblem_is.html

[Tifoso]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/194331/...roblem_is.html

Dandy.

[Tony]

So it is OK for Nova to have an opinion against another member on the forum, ( giodap ) but not for me to have an opinion. very sad would you like me to sit at the back of the class room.

Persecution complex? I have asked you why you think he needs to relax given that he didn't say anything wrong, it was a fair question, one that you chose to completely ignore....

[Tony]

No mirafiori, go and stand in the corner and face the wall

OK Sir, don't tell my dad.

[stefa]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/194331/...roblem_is.html

Same old, same old...

[FA fan]

Big upgrade.. yes we need that but our team is so unsecured about bringing them for fp q and race

IMHO I think they should have raced with the upgrades,cuz in the entire race there are many things could have happened,and since in Hungary it's not that easy to overtake,at worst Alonso would have been behind grosjean! And they could have analyzed the data and get a fair picture over an entire race! They should have taken a risk!as it is,they don't know the reason why the upgrades are not working,they should have just gone ahead with it..well that's just my opinion...

[vagos]

Same old, same old...

Really disappointing to see this kind of reaction from the team :(

[puto.havana]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/194331/...roblem_is.html

Isn't that just a rehash of the story from last week with a more sensationalist headline just to fill a slow news week?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109145

That said nothing has changed. They don't fully understand the issue and if they don't understand they can't fix it. If they can't fix it it's game over.

[FerrariF60]

Isn't that just a rehash of the story from last week with a more sensationalist headline just to fill a slow news week?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109145

That said nothing has changed. They don't fully understand the issue and if they don't understand they can't fix it. If they can't fix it it's game over.

that's exactly my understanding in ALL of this....but hey, if we can't get the grip and catch the faster team (which clearly is red fools), there's always next year...2014 can't come quick enough

[Nova]

So it is OK for Nova to have an opinion against another member on the forum, ( giodap ) but not for me to have an opinion. very sad would you like me to sit at the back of the class room.

Whoa cowboy..I dont see why u r upset..and whats up? Why r u hassling members and mentioning me? Im right here..if u have something to say..say it to me.
Its no secret, sometimes I get tired of people bashing Ferrari. Ferrari is so much more than a race team. Go get a few books..History of Ferrari, there are many,
I think Tanner is his name, he does a Ferrari book every few years, and they r a good read.
So if you would like to have a nice conversation, Im right here. N I dont remember actually bashing anyone...

[Dino]

Here comes some hope again!!

For Ferrari races in Spa and Monza are the crux of the season as they fail even these two appointments will mean abandon the hopes of being able to fight for the World Cup 2013.
In the last month in Maranello analyzed in detail all the updates brought on track on F138 which did not give the same results seen in the wind tunnel and CFD. To try to run for cover and to fix the pieces have collected, during practice and testing at Silverstone, an impressive amount of data in order to understand the reason for the lack of correlation between circuit and virtual reality.
The car that we will see at Spa will have several technical innovations (source @ joseluisf1) both aerodynamically and mechanically to try to recover the gap that divides at the level of downforce the car stronger and to improve the use of new tires Pirelli in Hungary has created more problems on race pace than in qualifying completely overturning the performance that we used to see from the beginning of the season.
For the next two Grand Prix which will be held on circuits where downforce is not essential you will see changes to discharges of F138 that until the last race did not ensure the load level that engineers were expecting.
To adapt the car to new discharges (confirmed those bulb) there will be some action on the bottom of the car in the vicinity of the rear wheels and especially to the diffuser so as to increase the aerodynamic load generated at the rear by exploiting the effect of the hot gases. It will be interesting to see if the F138 will increase the rake of the car (to lower the front and raise the rear) as it seems that this type of structure fits very well with the new Pirelli tires.
With this type of arrangement, both Red Bull Mercedes, they recovered much load to the rear by optimizing the exploitation of the discharges. Inside the paddock is said that these two teams have met, in terms of load at the rear, the levels of the 2011 season when he was incesso the use of discharges blown. Ferrari, in this field, and 'lagging behind and we'll see if in these months of hard work will be able to recover some of the gap that separates it from Red Bull, Mercedes and Lotus.
To improve the performance of flows towards the rear are also planned the finishing touches on the body of the F138. Will be dusted off with a few tweaks the body back to the pits Gp view of Barcelona that has never been used?
To adapt the F138 to the next Gp low load will be introduced updates to the front and to the rear.
Even a mechanical level there will be some adjustments on both the front suspension on the rear as the new Kevlar carcasses of the Pirelli tires have created some problems on the F138. The kevlar unlike steel is much more rigid and does not absorb the roughness of the path, however, was done with the tires of the season. The Ferrari had opted earlier this year for the very stiff suspension, both at the front than at the rear. E 'for this reason that the engineers will have to intervene at the level suspension to try to improve the performance of the F138.
The "meat on the fire" in Maranello is so great and developments will be introduced to the Singapore Grand Prix to try to revive the season of the Red Army at the beginning of that year had deceived all his fans.
If, even after this huge effort, carried out by the technical department of Maranello, will be in vain will concentrate all the forces and the remaining budget on the car for next season.

http://www.f1analisitecnica.com/2013...i.html?refresh

[Greig]

source @ joseluisf1

So we can assume it's all made up

[radosav]

I followed @joseluis twitter for two years and found out that all of his information was false! So blog article that relies on his data can't be true!

[wisepie]

We've had a painful few weeks so if there's any truth in the above, let's pray that it puts us back where we belong. Enough of the doom and gloom for now, let's be positive however hard that may be.

[Dino]

I am hoping James Allison is working on the F138 problems and this might suggest he is
''For the next two Grand Prix which will be held on circuits where downforce is not essential you will see changes to discharges of F138 that until the last race did not ensure the load level that engineers were expecting.
To adapt the car to new discharges (confirmed those bulb) there will be some action on the bottom of the car in the vicinity of the rear wheels and especially to the diffuser so as to increase the aerodynamic load generated at the rear by exploiting the effect of the hot gases. It will be interesting to see if the F138 will increase the rake of the car (to lower the front and raise the rear) as it seems that this type of structure fits very well with the new Pirelli tires.

lotus rake.jpg

[Alessandra]

There I was, sorted. Resigned to stiff upper lip for the rest of the season. Searching my way through the thoughts and sayings of eastern mysticism and assorted slightly aggressive cults in order to retain my sports sanity when you come up with this! Hope?!
I dunno.

[stefa]

I am well experienced not to believe to such tweets. I'll keep on mine seeing is believing!

[shamim179]

Jose Luis at it again! I was just beginning to think where has this guy gone?

[Jas]

well lotus are bringing a longer wheel based car 15cm longer...get better use of tyres etc...requiring new crash test etc...so they are going all out even at this stage...may also use DDRS, all officially announced, where going to have something special!!!!!

[Kiwi Nick]

well lotus are bringing a longer wheel based car 15cm longer...get better use of tyres etc...requiring new crash test etc...so they are going all out even at this stage...may also use DDRS, all officially announced, where going to have something special!!!!!

Can you give the source of the Lotus information, please?

[FerrariF60]

well lotus are bringing a longer wheel based car 15cm longer...get better use of tyres etc...requiring new crash test etc...so they are going all out even at this stage...may also use DDRS, all officially announced, where going to have something special!!!!!

i guess Lotus are going ALL out into giving Kimi a car he can fight for win....after all, HE is the KING of SPA....

[Tony]

well lotus are bringing a longer wheel based car 15cm longer...get better use of tyres etc...requiring new crash test etc...so they are going all out even at this stage...may also use DDRS, all officially announced, where going to have something special!!!!!

Wouldn't that take significant revision to the chassis requiring a crash test?

[Jas]

Wouldn't that take significant revision to the chassis requiring a crash test?

I'll try to find the link for it, but yes it did state they required to carry out two new crash test!

[Jas]

Heres the article regarding lotus, also says elsewhere they think the new tyres suit them even more and are now on par with lotus! Going all out, so should we! No excuses Stefano!

Lotus to introduce longer wheelbase E21

Sunday 18th August 2013, 23:59 by Ryan Wood

Lotus will introduce a longer wheelbase version of their E21 at the Belgian Grand Prix next weekend in a bid to remain in the fight for the title.

The upgrade will be the last major development on their current car, with Lotus's head of trackside operations, Alan Permane, admitting they will soon shift their focus to 2014.

"You may see a few small upgrades appearing as the races tick away, but I suspect we've witnessed the last of the major overhaul packages," he explained.

The extended wheelbase will see the E21 grow by around twelve centimetres front to rear axle, which has required the car to undergo two further crash tests as per FIA regulation.

The added length will be of particular benefit in Spa where the track layout suits a longer wheelbase, which is one of the reasons for the change.

In addition to that, it will provide a greater area behind the front-wheel to calm the disturbed air before it reaches the sidepods and it pushes the weight distribution back toward the rear axle, thus reducing the wear at the front. That has been particularly high on the Lotus compared to its rivals.

Permane also confirmed other upgrades amid the longer wheelbase: "We've got several updates coming up – both mechanical and aerodynamic – so we're confident of making another step forward."

He also hinted that they would once again trial DDRS, or 'The Device' as Lotus call it.

"We haven't made a final decision yet as to whether it will be deployed, but we've been conducting a lot of simulation work with the concept to help clarify that decision and there's a good chance we'll see it make an appearance."
- See more at: http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/displa....Xiugj93R.dpuf

[Kyss4k]

Whoa, that's what I call upgrade. Compared to them, we are still just evaluating the data about what is wrong with the car... I am looking forward to a day, when someone from the other teams will be amazed by what Ferrari did, not the other way around as it is for years.

[FerrariF60]

Whoa, that's what I call upgrade. Compared to them, we are still just evaluating the data about what is wrong with the car... I am looking forward to a day, when someone from the other teams will be amazed by what Ferrari did, not the other way around as it is for years.

I’m with you mate on that thought; I too can’t remember the last time Ferrari has brought something of their own and other teams said, WOW that looks like it could add performance to the car, let’s copy it..

While others are bringing BIG time upgrades (aka lotus) we’re still having issues with wind tunnel and correlation between itself and when they runt parts on track real time.

Don’t know about you, but I don’t have a warm and fuzzy feeling about Ferrari doing good in the second part of the championship; but I’d like to be proven wrong by FERRARI and having fixed some of the issues we’ve had so far if not ALL THE ISSUES….i know I’m asking for TOO much…

If not, well that’s going to give us more time to work with FULL FORCE on the 2014 project.