Schumacher lost my respect yday?

[Sianellen]

you are on fire today.

brembo man and Stuart have a "special" relationship

[Uzair Ahmed]

Except kobayashi,at one point I was cheering come on kobayshi take vettel out,we at Ferrari promise you to be the reserve driver for next year..LOOL

lol..those were exactly my thoughts at that moment..and once vettel's car overtook unharmed I was like nvm..I am glad that we won't see u on grid next year

[GamD]

I thought this was F1, not school- though in this case, it doesn't matter too much, Vettel would have passed him quite easily anyway with the rocket he was sitting in + DRS, and it was his last race as well, so whatever.

Fact is, RB does not only have Newey the genius, they also have at least one other team helping them out- or 2, if you count Lotus and idiotic crashjean- and other german drivers helping them as well, and still Vettel won by only 3 points. Yeah what a super-uber-driver.

You are right its F1 not school, And if you could remove the emotional attachment to someone in F1 you would have a point. Schumi has always helped Vettel, like Ron Denis with Lewis and Flavio Briatore with Nando's

[Hermann]

You are right its F1 not school, And if you could remove the emotional attachment to someone in F1 you would have a point. Schumi has always helped Vettel, like Ron Denis with Lewis and Flavio Briatore with Nando's

Oh come on, emotional attachment....on the race track? With driving for a completely different team? And how is that comparable to the team bosses? They aren't driving on the track. Flavio did not help Fernando when you are pointing to 2008, quite the contrary. He was 'helping' himself and Renault who were in a desperate situation. And the same goes for Ron Dennis who was trying to help his long time investigation in the first place, as well as caving in to some media pressure.
No, what is going on here was Schumacher helping his fellow german driver, nothing more. He won't invite him for coffee afterwards or for a candle light dinner. PR reasons. Imagine the next article from BILD Zeitung had he somehow tried to fight back....

[Greig]

If only Renault had moved over for Alonso in 2010, bet would have been media outrage then....

[Hermann]

If only Renault had moved over for Alonso in 2010, bet would have been media outrage then....

No doubt, no doubt. But it was for Vettel so all is good (and fair in love and war )

[thedoctor03]

I don't think so. Put yourself in his position. One of your close friends is battling for the championship and trying to overtake you. Do you defend hard and potentially cause an accident, ending his World Championship or do you keep on at full speed and when he is close enough, you let him go.

It was inevitable that Schumacher would have been overtaken, either that lap or the next so what's the point in him costing himself time by defending to a much quicker car? That doesn't make sense. I am sure if he had Alonso right behind him that he also wouldn't have interfered in his race. There's a lot of mutual respect between Alonso and Schumacher, in my opinion.

FINALLY, a sensible quote. It pains me to see what this forum has become - a majority of members merely whining about this or that. Even when there is a victory, there is something to complain about. Right now, everyone is praising Massa, till a few weeks ago, he was being labelled all sorts of things. Most of these guys didn't even watch F1 till as much as 2006. People who saw that race know what mutual respect was. No one complained when most drivers got out of Schumi's way in Brazil. At those times we called it "respect" and now, when he does something similar with Vettel, who he has publicly called a close friend, people are lashing out and sharpening their knives.

I really havn't been to other forums and I dont know what people there sound like, but most "fans" here are amazingly negative. Perhaps, it is YOU guys who are causing Ferrari's downfall. You guys will be all out trying to undermine Vettel for what he has achieved and label him with horrendous titles but will not see how many threads have been started here saying "Red Bull are cheating" "Vettel doesnt have class" and so on and forth.

This forum used to be a place to have a decent conversation with true fans who took defeat well and enjoyed victory like champions. Sadly, its just a place for hanky-panky losers now.

oh I know I will get flak and be labelled a traitor and all that, but seriously, I do not care, nor do I think I will be here again. Feel free to ban/remove, but I do know I spoke my heart and I do know that some people will know I am right - this place is not what it used to be. And never will.

[Greig]

Bye then

Webber is close friends with Alonso, does not mean he would move over for him, quite the opposite.

[Tifosi]

....I spoke my heart and I do know that some people will know I am right - this place is not what it used to be. And never will.

Is that "not what it used to be" since Feb 2010 or "not what it used to be" since 2003?

Will it "never be the place it used to be" in Feb 2010 or earlier than that?

[GamD]

Bye then

Webber is close friends with Alonso, does not mean he would move over for him, quite the opposite.

Very true, but then again if Schumacher was defending Rosberg's WDC title I think Vettel would of been off roaded.
It's pretty much a dead end street debate, F1 is full of reason of why things are done and many justifications for them. I feel cheated for Ferrari not by lack of effort or skill but LUCK!

[REDARMYSOJA]

Perhaps, it is YOU guys who are causing Ferrari's downfall.

Oh I see, now it's our fault.

You guys will be all out trying to undermine Vettel for what he has achieved and label him with horrendous titles but will not see how many threads have been started here saying "Red Bull are cheating" "Vettel doesnt have class" and so on and forth.

This forum used to be a place to have a decent conversation with true fans who took defeat well and enjoyed victory like champions. Sadly, its just a place for hanky-panky losers now.

We are also hanky panky losers, whatever that is.

nor do I think I will be here again.

Don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out.

[Rob]

OT, again: There have been threads on here that don't even mention Schumacher until you come along and drag him into the discussion. So yeah, gone and forgotten here includes you putting in the effort as well, mate.

[Rob]

Williams in 96?

Could even say Mclaren 1988

[Suzie]

This forum used to be a place to have a decent conversation with true fans who took defeat well and enjoyed victory like champions. Sadly, its just a place for hanky-panky losers now.

That's not very fair, really. There are plenty of members who tried to stay optimistic over the course of the season, and in defeat.

[F2002]

RBR have publicly thanked Michael for the "generous" move

[killer]

Yeah, gone and forgotten here, untill you just dragged his name in my face again! Putting in some effort will do the trick. I know it's a killer, but hopefully it will happen.

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[Ferrari_Fanatic]

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Who?

[Grillo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104626

These guys at Red Bull are pure class and good manners...

[cubanazo]

I thought this site was full of formula 1 and Ferrari fans. I have not posted a comment for a long time but I feel really compelled to reply this time.
What kind of comment is this about the greatest driver ever?....are you on drugs?.
I have no respect for somebody that does not respect greatness. Schumacher did not let Vettel go by. Vettel has had a superior car all season.
It is childish to presume that Michael would put up a fight that was not his to start up with.
Grow up and stop complaining. I am really tired of these comments. We LOST and PERIOD.
We need to have a better car next year. Our drivers are nothing without the proper equipment.

[sagi58]

Schumi didn't do anything any one of us wouldn't have done, had we been in his shoes!
At the end of the day, Schumi's gesture did NOT give Vettel the title; he only needed 7th!
There really is no point in looking for excuses, rationalizations, explanations for our season
by blaming anything that happened in the last race!

As Alonso so eloquently put it: "The championship was not lost here!"

[Hermann]

I thought this site was full of formula 1 and Ferrari fans. I have not posted a comment for a long time but I feel really compelled to reply this time.
What kind of comment is this about the greatest driver ever?....are you on drugs?.
I have no respect for somebody that does not respect greatness. Schumacher did not let Vettel go by. Vettel has had a superior car all season.
It is childish to presume that Michael would put up a fight that was not his to start up with.
Grow up and stop complaining. I am really tired of these comments. We LOST and PERIOD.
We need to have a better car next year. Our drivers are nothing without the proper equipment.

"Michael very graciously gave him P6 and that was enough to convert his third consecutive world championship," said Horner.

"Michael is renowned for being a tough racer. I think it was his gesture to Sebastian, almost like passing the baton on.

"I'm sure it was not particularly well received at his former employer [Ferrari] but I thought it was very magnanimous of Michael to move out of the way for his fellow countryman."
Michael obviously felt it was something he wanted to do and it was very generous that he moved over in his final grand prix."

Schumacher and Vettel are long-time friends, and the elder German said after the race that he had no qualms about relinquishing sixth to his compatriot.

Of course Schumacher did not let Vettel by. Who would even think sucha thing .

[Stormy]

Schumi would be beaten anyway but his not putting an effort into defending against Vettel is what bothers me.
He was like ''i wont bother you bro go on''

[Johntron]

I thought this site was full of formula 1 and Ferrari fans. I have not posted a comment for a long time but I feel really compelled to reply this time.
What kind of comment is this about the greatest driver ever?....are you on drugs?.
I have no respect for somebody that does not respect greatness. Schumacher did not let Vettel go by. Vettel has had a superior car all season.
It is childish to presume that Michael would put up a fight that was not his to start up with.
Grow up and stop complaining. I am really tired of these comments. We LOST and PERIOD.
We need to have a better car next year. Our drivers are nothing without the proper equipment.

finally somebody with some sense has spoken, a few ppl here just dont take losses very well unfortunately

[Johntron]

Schumi didn't do anything any one of us wouldn't have done, had we been in his shoes!
At the end of the day, Schumi's gesture did NOT give Vettel the title; he only needed 7th!
There really is no point in looking for excuses, rationalizations, explanations for our season
by blaming anything that happened in the last race!

As Alonso so eloquently put it: "The championship was not lost here!"

exactly and on top on that, if vettel really needed another place, RBR would have made weber drop back behind vettel anyways

[brembo man]

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Well since you mentioned his name.... Your a regular riot!

[killer]

Who?

Please consider context prior to the eye roll, mate.

[killer]

Well since you mentioned his name.... Your a regular riot!

Happy to make your day, brother.

[stefa]

CH even thanked MS for his gesture move. This is disgusting...

[Hornet]

I thought this site was full of formula 1 and Ferrari fans. I have not posted a comment for a long time but I feel really compelled to reply this time.
What kind of comment is this about the greatest driver ever?....are you on drugs?.
I have no respect for somebody that does not respect greatness. Schumacher did not let Vettel go by. Vettel has had a superior car all season.
It is childish to presume that Michael would put up a fight that was not his to start up with.
Grow up and stop complaining. I am really tired of these comments. We LOST and PERIOD.
We need to have a better car next year. Our drivers are nothing without the proper equipment.

I see no problem with Ferrari fans voicing their displeasure at Schumi's move that day. No one is disputing Schumi's achievements, but sometimes even the best driver makes poor decisions, it happens to everyone. Schumi is not the kind of driver who would give up just because he have an inferior car. He fought Kimi side by side going into turn 1 that day, giving Kimi just enough room to stay on track, not an inch more. So here's a guy who still knows how to fight ruthlessly.

Of course at the end of the day, its his choice and the team that won't be amuse is not Ferrari, but Mercedes because he's fighting for points for the Mercedes. He just let his personal support for Vettel get in the way of him driving for Mercedes. Its not illegal, but you can't expect everyone to like that kind of stuff.

Lewis have said he thinks Alonso should win the title for example, but when it comes down to him and Alonso, Lewis will not be giving anything up to Alonso, thats for sure. He's racing for himself and McLaren ultimately.

[Mollydog]

Schumi just wanted a quiet, fuss-free last race. Nothing to see here.

Agree 100%