The Vettel yellow flag incident and possible Ferrari protest - all posts here, please

[F2002]

I told you, he should not have hugged him....

[red5]

LOL you still hate Alonso after all this time? I would say you act much more like a spoiled brat.

I don't care what you say Lloronso-lover.....It's about time he congratulates Vettel,instead of speaking rubbish about being the best driver of 2012 blahblahblah...even more funnier he considers himself a man that obeys all the rules hahahaha (yeah,you did that too in 2007 and 2008 that's for sure!).Definitely made my day...

[Sianellen]

I don't care what you say Lloronso-lover....

Because that's not childish....

[BigGar32]

Hope to god that we don't issue a protest. I really do not want to win a title in this way. I know rules are rules but to me the championship ended on Sunday. And I can just imagine the bad press we could potentially get after it, especially after the gearbox change in the US. While that was within the rules I'm not convinced that was in the "spirit of the game".

[Super M]

Hey guys.....we all seem to be talking about a certain move vettel did and was shown a so called Green flag.......But umm, why dont you GOOGLE " Vettel overtaking an HRT ".... and my opinion, is that this is what they ( Ferrari) could be talking about??........One can clearly see its a YELLOW flag being waved on that corner.....

Dunno.....

[Sianellen]

It seems everyone is combing all of Vettel's laps for the chance he may have done something wrong. No one is going through anyone else's footage, only his, which seems a little unfair. What if Red Bull just retaliate by finding a mistake someone else made and gained places back, anyone considered that? Conditions were tricky, mistakes get made, there seem to me to be far too many lights and flags that have to be payed attention to, all during split second decisions. The whole thing needs leaving alone, it serves no purpose other than to open a big can of worms that I think would would damage and hinder us more than provide any kind of glory.

[Greig]

I don't care what you say Lloronso-lover.....It's about time he congratulates Vettel,instead of speaking rubbish about being the best driver of 2012 blahblahblah...even more funnier he considers himself a man that obeys all the rules hahahaha (yeah,you did that too in 2007 and 2008 that's for sure!).Definitely made my day...

He already did congrat Vettel, maybe you missed it.

You are the spoilt brat not Alonso - at least Alonso grew up, your still hating like a little kid.

[Massimo]

I think this whole thing is a Red Bull conspiracy, they know they're wrong, have opened a special department to upload thousands and thousands of video's on the internet, until it's gets to the point where it's so confusing, Ferrari will say:"you know what, keep the damn thing!"
I think Helmut Marko is behind all this.

[F2002]

We've seen many football matches, sometimes championships, being won or lost because of a refereeing error, perhaps the ball crossing the line or a wrong offside call.

Even if he did overtake a car within the yellow flag zone, it's past and gone now. They had the better car, and they won the championship - there's no point to keep repeating that Alonso "deserved" the championship more than Vettel, he simply did not have the equipment to go out there and grab it.

[bluesilhouettes]

You should never give up if you had any chance. It's professional.
Post adjusted result of this game (F1) is possible. If it was right, you should protest. If not, say congratulations. Fernando did but why "some" people want to see Fernando keep repeating doing that to show everybody he accepted to be the loser.
Sometimes, people call that nice gesture, of course but it's not real and emotional. Please watch Webber, he says whatever he want, he did things with his real emotion. It's not professional but for me, it's nice and cool.

[F-e-r-r-nando]

IMO Ferrari should not protest or get involved. It should be the job of the FIA to make sure the championship was won in a fair and legal manner. If the RBR car was found (after the fact) to have been using illegal parts, we would expect the FIA to act upon it and issue a penalty. Same thing with the yellow-flag rule or any other form of cheating that comes to light and can be proven.

From what I understand, up until Nov 30th, the FIA can act on their own to correct a wrong (if there is one) and I don't see why we should be against them looking into it?

[Sianellen]

F1 Fanatic ‏@f1fanatic_co_uk
Ferrari confirm via Twitter they asked the FIA for clarification regarding Vettel's pass on Vergne: http://bit.ly/Tvx8fY

Someone will have to translate this:

Scuderia Ferrari
‏@InsideFerrari
La Ferrari ha chiesto, tramite una lettera, un chiarimento alla FIA in merito al sorpasso di VET su VER nel corso del giro 4 del GP Brasile.

[FER]

I wouldn't be happy as well if Alonso would win the title days or weeks after the last race has finished. Mistakes are being maden constantly for the both sides, that is part of the game.

[red5]

He already did congrat Vettel, maybe you missed it.

You are the spoilt brat not Alonso - at least Alonso grew up, your still hating like a little kid.

buy a forest and get lost!

[red5]

Quick traslation: "Ferrari has sent a letter to the FIA asking for clarification on Vettel's move over Vergnier at 4th lap"

We'll see but IMHO it doesn't mean we're going to lodge a protest.It will be strange to say the least,when we'd plenty of time on Sunday to see all those tricky videos (looks like a lot of ferraristi watched Vettel's whole race,instead of what our drivers did)

[Hermann]

I'm getting the ready. There is also some beer left in the fridge...

[Senna4Ever]

Alonso stop behaving like a spoiled brat

and where does he act that way to look like a spoiled brat?
By the message on twitter the he don't believes in miracles? Oh come on ...
Just said that he already doesn't believe in miracles like many of us hope now. He just believes in rules ...

I wonder if the media would be same sensitive if it would be other way around and Alonso would be the 'overtaker'.
And you can really imagine how this Marko would behave if Vettel would have lost it and it would be other way around.

Anyway: much talk about nothing ... as it would not change ... by the actual situation Ferrari only would be the looser however it will end - in my opinion.
Sad but true (rock!): it is not much about right or wrong anymore it's more or less a good or worse publicity for Ferrari ...

IMO Ferrari should not protest or get involved. It should be the job of the FIA to make sure the championship was won in a fair and legal manner. If the RBR car was found (after the fact) to have been using illegal parts, we would expect the FIA to act upon it and issue a penalty. Same thing with the yellow-flag rule or any other form of cheating that comes to light and can be proven.

From what I understand, up until Nov 30th, the FIA can act on their own to correct a wrong (if there is one) and I don't see why we should be against them looking into it?

exactly ... very good point!
It would be up to FIA itself to get the nail on it ... otherwise it would also through a very bad light onto FIA and their shaky decisions ...

[EL NANO]

VET can keep the trophy, we were NOT GOOD ENOUGH thecar lacked grip, stability and overrall pace.. red Bull deserve the championship Ferrari dropped the ball and could not produce a winning car.. YES Alonso drove the wheels off the F2012 but one driver alone cannot win a WDC( although ALO nearly did ) but overrall we were not the best team, if ALO was in Sauber ,Lotus or even Williams he would have probably won the WDC so lets get a grip on all this... ( my two cents :)

[Salvador Dali]

buy a forest and get lost!

Very poor show mate - an argument a 5 year old would make. Nuff said!

[EL NANO]

and where does he act that way to look like a spoiled brat?
By the message on twitter the he don't believes in miracles? Oh come on ...
Just said that he already doesn't believe in miracles like many of us hope now. He just believes in rules ...

I wonder if the media would be same sensitive if it would be other way around and Alonso would be the 'overtaker'.
And you can really imagine how this Marko would behave if Vettel would have lost it and it would be other way around.

Anyway: much talk about nothing ... as it would not change ... by the actual situation Ferrari only would be the looser however it will end - in my opinion.
Sad but true (rock!): it is not much about right or wrong anymore it's more or less a good or worse publicity for Ferrari ...




exactly ... very good point!
It would be up to FIA itself to get the nail on it ... otherwise it would also through a very bad light onto FIA and their shaky decisions ...

AMEN

[FFFerrari]

Formula 1's ruling body, the FIA, says there is "no case" to answer in the controversy involving Sebastian Vettel's overtaking of Jean-Eric Vergne during the Brazilian Grand Prix.
It confirmed exclusively to AUTOSPORT that it was in no doubt that Vettel's pass was legitimate.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104644

Time to close this nonsense and go back off-season boredom.

[EL NANO]

@ red5 : 5 must stand for the number of years since your birth mate beacuse you are a tool!! Get a life and go to the single and dateless forums...

[Italian Spirit]

Even if the FIA investigate, and they are obliged to do so according to the rules, and Ferrari doesn't move, I would really hate to get the WDC this way.
If Vettel was caught red handed during the race and sanctioned immediately, fine.
But not now, not like this.
Please, Maranello, we're more classy than they are, let them have it... and get it back next year.
Please!

[Catalan]

I don't know how this is going to end, maybe nothing and the situation will remain the same.

But ... this said, I think having Red Bull as Constructors' winner and Alonso as Champ would be a better, most realistic picture of what the season showed: Red Bull had the best car, Ferrari had the best driver.

Oh, wait ... was in the overall outlook of the year Red Bull single seater better than Mc Laren's ? ...

Things like these make life funny.

Anyway, can't wait to see Fernando in the Wrooom event on mid-January, then the launch of the 2013 car ( date ????? ), and the first winter test in Jerez on February 5.

[F2008]

What bothers me the most actually is that apparently Red Bull have asked Vergne to finish at least 20 seconds behind Vettel so that in case of a penalty there would be no problem. Clear team orders between two different teams, but it doesn't seem to be a problem...

[F2002]

Let's hope that this matter drags on until February, at least we'll have some F1 to talk about

[Catalan]

No case. FIA says Vettel move was ok

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104644

[Hornet]

Ferrari confirmed that they asked the FIA for clarification.

http://www.ferrari.com/english/formu...ification.aspx

The short news just say that though, for the moment. No details given yet.

[Forzafonz]

About steward's green flag and yellow signal:
Monaco 2010 Alonso vs Schumaher. Do you remember what the decision was?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=i8b0IQ0bHlg

[FFFerrari]

About steward's green flag and yellow signal:
Monaco 2010 Alonso vs Schumaher. Do you remember what the decision was?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=i8b0IQ0bHlg

No need to bring that up, it was a totally different situation. They were coming to the chequered flag under SC and no matter what flags are waved, you are not allowed to pass when SC is on track. Vettel/Vergne was a normal yellow flag that was ended with a green one.