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    World Motor Sport Council 2012

    World Motor Sport Council 2012
    The final 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) took place today, 5 December, in Istanbul.
    WED 05.12.12, 2:02PM
    The final 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) took place today, 5 December, in Istanbul. The FIA President, Jean Todt, opened the meeting by thanking Demir Berberoglu, Műmtaz Tahincioglu and the Turkish Automobile Sports Federation for their hospitality and for hosting the week of FIA meetings in Turkey. The following decisions were taken.



    FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

    The date for the 2013 Grand Prix of Germany has been moved to 7 July, and 21 July has been reserved for another F1 European event, subject to the approval of the relevant ASNs.

    Amendments have been made to the 2013 and 2014 Sporting and Technical Regulations:

    2013 F1 Technical Regulations

    More stringent front wing deflection tests have been introduced.

    Minor changes have been made to the front roll structure design.

    There is an increase in minimum weight to compensate for an increase in tyre weight for 2013.

    Deletion of the ‘force majeure’ allowance when a car stops on the track in qualifying. The FIA will determine how much fuel the car would have used to get back to the pits and add it to the one litre sample minimum.

    All chassis will now have higher static loads applied to them (formerly only one chassis was tested to the higher loads with subsequent chassis being tested to 20% lower proof loads).

    2013 F1 Sporting Regulations

    For safety reasons, use of the DRS during practice will now only be allowed in the place(s) it will be used on the track in the race.

    The team personnel curfew will be extended from six to eight hours on Thursday night and only two exceptions will be allowed during a season (formerly four).

    2014 F1 Technical Regulations

    A new draft with numerous changes was discussed and agreed by the F1 Technical Working Group and Powertrain Working Group.

    The requirement for cars to be driven exclusively under electric power in the pit lane has been postponed until 2017.

    A number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology in some areas in order to reduce development costs.

    Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification.

    The minimum weight limit has been raised to compensate for additional power unit weight.

    http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-2012

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    I hope by reverting to 2012 doesn't mean the exhaust design will not be changed in 2014. C'mon, its time blown diffuser gets banned once and for all

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    I'm with you on the blown diffuser aspect, Hornet, and I'm glad to see that the DRS can't be used throughout the lap in quali, only the designated areas, something I suggested mid-season because I felt it possibly helped RBR to achieve poles more easily.

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    The minimum weight limit has been raised to compensate for additional power unit weight.
    So it seems the new engines will be heavier than the V8's? Why not allow for weight reduction in other areas to at least minimize performance loss and maintain the current chassis weight, rather than raise the minimum weight limit and slow things down even further...

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    I already made a thread about this but thats fine, mods can you delete that one please

    http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...bodywork-rules

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    I heard a story the Grand Prix of Turkey in Istanbul might return in 2013 on the 21st of July. Anyone else heard the story?

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    Yeah that's the general rumour. Would be great if true. Turn 8... yum.
    Forza Jules

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    Indeed Suzie. One of the few tracks of Tilke that are really nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurdaNeta View Post
    World Motor Sport Council 2012

    2014 F1 Technical Regulations
    Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification.

    http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-sport-council-2012
    I was a bit worried that this would mean Red Bull would continue to dominate in aerodynamics from 2014 onwards and our only chance to beat him would be with a superior engine. As it happens that's not the case - Andrew Benson has more information on this:

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    Then, on Wednesday, F1's governing body the FIA put out a statement saying: "Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing drag and downforce for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification."

    Was this another change of tack? Was the much-vaunted 'green' F1 being abandoned? Had Ecclestone quietly won another political battle with FIA president Jean Todt?

    Well, no, as it turns out.

    The choice of wording was perhaps a touch misleading, but it refers to ongoing attempts to ensure the new rules meet their original targets - which were to ensure the new cars in 2014 are no more than five seconds slower than they were in 2010 as well as being much more efficient.

    As the teams began work on the new designs, simulating the car layouts and projected engine performance, it began to become apparent that lap times might well be slower than had been intended.

    So teams were tasked with looking independently at what elements of current car design could be maintained without losing sight of the intent of the new rules to produce aerodynamic downforce with as little trade-off in drag as possible.

    The FIA's initial intention had been to strip the cars of all the extraneous bits of curved bodywork that have begun to sprout in various parts of the car, on the assumption that these must be inefficient. But as the effect of these parts was investigated, it turned out they were not as pernicious as at first thought.

    So, for example, 'turning vanes' - the curved bits of bodywork that sprout behind the front wheels or under the raised noses - are very efficient. That is, they produce downforce but very little drag.

    Likewise, the wide front wings that were introduced as part of the last major rule change in 2009 will stay, albeit they will be a little narrower than they are now.

    By contrast, some teams were campaigning to keep what is known as the lower rear beam wing - a downforce-producing device at the bottom of the rear wing where it is attached to the back of the car. But this turned out to be very 'draggy', so it will be dropped as planned.

    But the key point is this - the main visual and philosophical changes that were planned for the cars in 2014 have been retained.

    So how will they look?

    The biggest visible change will be at the front - the high noses that have become de rigueur in recent years will be outlawed.

    This is fundamentally for safety reasons - high noses are considered more dangerous when they hit another car because of the increased likelihood of driver injury, and also make it more likely that a car will be launched in an impact. But it will also restrict downforce and make the cars slower.

    How much lower will the noses be? In 2012, F1 cars had a maximum front nose height of 550mm above the floor of the car. In 2014, that is being reduced to 185mm - a reduction in height of 365mm.

    Likewise, although the wide front wings will stay, they will be reduced in overall width from 1800mm (the same as the maximum width of the car) to 1650mm.

    This will almost certainly fundamentally alter the overall aerodynamics of the cars.

    Airflow over the car stems from the front wing, as the first part to hit the air. Designers are currently focused on using the ends of the wings to turn air around the outside of the front wheels. But in 2014 there will be 7cm of front wheel outside the wing, so getting the air to go around it will be that much more difficult.

    This challenge will be made even harder because of new rules restricting what can be done with the front wing end-plates, the vertical bits at the outside edge of the wing.

    Less obviously, but also important in the context of the last couple of years, will be a new rule governing exhaust exits.

    Using exhaust gases for aerodynamic effect has become a central feature of F1 car design since 2010.

    In 2011, so-called exhaust-blown diffusers, where the exhausts pipes were situated on the rear floor of the car and the engine programmed to blow gases out of them at all times, gained the top teams at least a second a lap.

    For 2012, these were banned, engine mapping restricted and exhaust outlets moved forwards on the car and higher up. But teams still managed to use the gases to enhance aerodynamics by directing them at the gap between the floor and the rear wheels using what is known as the 'Coanda' effect.

    Red Bull's progress in this area in late September was decisive in Sebastian Vettel beating Ferrari's Fernando Alonso to the drivers' championship.

    But for 2014 there will be no more 'Coanda' effect - exhausts will have to exit between 3-5cm forward of the centre line of the rear wheels and no more than 25cm from the centre line of the car. From there, it will be impossible to blow them at the edges of the floor.

    Equally, the overall efficiency targets will remain the same - whereas now use of fuel is free, it will be metered from 2014. Currently, cars use about 150kg of fuel (about 195 litres) in a Grand Prix; in 2014, they will be allowed to consume no more than 100kg (130l).

    In summary then, the revolution is still very much underway; it's just the fine print that has changed.

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    Any more news about the race in Turkey next year. Iam very excited about it because I think I will visit the GP next year if the rumours are true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fratelliferrari View Post
    Any more news about the race in Turkey next year. Iam very excited about it because I think I will visit the GP next year if the rumours are true?
    http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...ce-in-Istanbul

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    Damn it!

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    the plan to make the cars slower and slower is getting boring. The Audi leMans cars will be the fastest track cars in the world at this rate.

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    Yes that's right and the beautiful sound of F1 cars will get worse too!

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    A 2014 Ferrari F1 could look something like this, according to the new rules, look at the exhausts!
    Dr Ferdinand Porsche:" Nuvolari is the greatest driver of the past, the present, and the future".
    Enzo Ferrari once drove with him and recalled even on bends "he never took his foot from the accelerator".

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    These exhausts look so ugly! And also another nose I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Lorca View Post
    I was a bit worried that this would mean Red Bull would continue to dominate in aerodynamics from 2014 onwards and our only chance to beat him would be with a superior engine. As it happens that's not the case - Andrew Benson has more information on this:
    Thanks! That's more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fratelliferrari View Post
    These exhausts look so ugly! And also another nose I see.
    I agree, but I like the idea of the really low noses though. The cars will look radically different.

    Edit: Not that I'm complaining but weren't the "high" noses introduced as a safety measure to prevent cars flying over each other, and now they're going with the complete opposite? The high noses never made sense to me in the first place. You would think lower noses would prevent cars taking off better than the high ones they introduced this year. They didn't even work, as we saw in Spa.
    Last edited by Sha1; 8th December 2012 at 22:50.

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    Maybe Ferrari has a solution so the exhausts will be placed in a nice way. Let's hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fratelliferrari View Post
    These exhausts look so ugly!
    I don't think so. It reminds me of this.



    1967ferrari31267f12009m.jpg


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    Looks a lot different with a rear wing i think. Because of the rear wing the exhausts shouldnt be up

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    The low nose looks terrible. Id take the duckbill nose over that anyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS454 View Post
    The low nose looks terrible. Id take the duckbill nose over that anyday.
    just seeing Alonso and Ferrari loose title's to cows is really frustrating..
    So i dont mind the looks of the car as long it is a beast of a car..(at start ppl said F2012 is ugly...i never felt so..HOW CAN A FERRARI Be UGLY?? )
    We need to dominate from 2014 whatever be looks of the car !


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    Yes that's true but if we could have both that would be nice too. I liked the F2012 very much, with that nose was awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fratelliferrari View Post
    These exhausts look so ugly! And also another nose I see.
    Its just to show where the exhaust will be. I think teams will design a more aerodynamic outlet than just two pipes sticking out :xmaseek:

    This time there will be no more blown diffuser, Can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Its just to show where the exhaust will be. I think teams will design a more aerodynamic outlet than just two pipes sticking out :xmaseek:

    This time there will be no more blown diffuser, Can't wait.
    Exactly, the chance of blown diffuser will be zero, with this position.
    Dr Ferdinand Porsche:" Nuvolari is the greatest driver of the past, the present, and the future".
    Enzo Ferrari once drove with him and recalled even on bends "he never took his foot from the accelerator".

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    i read somewhere that aero rules will stay same as in 2013 for 2014 ...

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    Yes the exhausts will probably be positioned in another way for aerodynamic reasons.

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    2014 aero changes dropped
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    The FIA has agreed to drop planned changes to bodywork in 2014 that was aimed at reducing downforce.

    With the new engine regulations taking effect, the bodywork changes were designed to increase the efficiency of the 2014 cars. However, following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) in Istanbul, the FIA has announced that the current regulations will remain stable.

    "Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification," read a statement on the FIA website.

    Those changes are also allied to amendments to the 2014 engine regulations, as "a number of changes have been made to the power unit regulations with the aim of limiting technology in some areas in order to reduce development costs."

    Finally, the FIA confirmed it has postponed the introduction of cars running exclusively under electric power in the pit lane until 2017.

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    I don't like the idea of F1 as an efficiency sector. That's not the purpose of F1. It's about the fastest cars and they have to be filled with fuel. Not with some bio-organic stuff. Why does everything need to be ''green'' these days?

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