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    What is James Allen talking about???? He has NO CLUE which Engine will be the best! I say he is just being James Allen and is continuing his statements that have factual basis!

    Can't wait for Ferrari to release their Race Car and hear the sound and see the power of their Turbocharged V6 engine! Ferrari have always been the BEST at Engineering and Building Engines! This is what they want and need! My only wish would be that there was no RPM Limit! Luca Marmanini if an EXCELLENT Engine Chief and I am sure His Team og Engineers will produce the BEST Engine! They have been working oon this Engine for a few years now and Ferrari's Engine Department is the BEST in Formula One, which is fact!

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    Both Ferrari and Reno produced killer turbo engines in the past.

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    I'm really looking forward to the new turbo age in F1. For the past several years engines have played a secondary role in performance, that wil change next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by type056 View Post
    James Allen:
    “all the signs are that the Mercedes will be the dominant new generation engine in 2014”

    I dont know what signs he saying about?anybody know?i am worried...

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/0...tegy-for-2013/
    In 2014, the best engine is the one can use fuel most efficiently because of limited fuel flow. So I think the maximun output power is not very important.
    To drive wisely, driver/team have to choose right time to push.

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    Ridiculous statement by James Allen, doesn't sound credible at all, i'm sure he didn't have a chance to compare the Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes engine, so where does this knowledge come from?
    Maybe from the fact that Mr.Allen was a VIP guest of Mercedes a little while ago, complete with a grand tour of the factory, luxury hotel and dinners? Seems to me he's just playing along with the Mercedes media hype, Mercedes need some positive media, they didn't exactly finish the season in a great way, and the big bosses at Daimler have made it very clear that they expect Mercedes to be a serious titlecontender in 2014, and Allen's remark that Force India would be mad to give up the Mercedes engine, is nothing more than cheap advertisement from a subjective journalist.

    Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes all had different versions of the new engine up and running some months ago, let's wait and see who's done the best job, i do think Mercedes has the most pressure on it's shoulders, they have one shot at the new engine, if they don't have an edge in 2014, i'm sure Daimler will pull the plug.
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    I meant to say : NO FACTUAL BASIS!!!!!! I often type faster then I should!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo View Post
    Ridiculous statement by James Allen, doesn't sound credible at all, i'm sure he didn't have a chance to compare the Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes engine, so where does this knowledge come from?
    Maybe from the fact that Mr.Allen was a VIP guest of Mercedes a little while ago, complete with a grand tour of the factory, luxury hotel and dinners? Seems to me he's just playing along with the Mercedes media hype, Mercedes need some positive media, they didn't exactly finish the season in a great way, and the big bosses at Daimler have made it very clear that they expect Mercedes to be a serious titlecontender in 2014, and Allen's remark that Force India would be mad to give up the Mercedes engine, is nothing more than cheap advertisement from a subjective journalist.

    Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes all had different versions of the new engine up and running some months ago, let's wait and see who's done the best job, i do think Mercedes has the most pressure on it's shoulders, they have one shot at the new engine, if they don't have an edge in 2014, i'm sure Daimler will pull the plug.
    Well said.

    This is Allen's explanation:
    "It’s a feeling. One that is shared by a number of people in the sport"
    "Talking around to engineers from various places. It seems to be a widely held feeling that the Merc engine will have the edge"

    So are the engineers sharing dyno data or something? What an idiot James Allen is.

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    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...des-engine-Q-A

    As Formula One gears up for the switch to smaller V6 engines in 2014, Mercedes have shared their thoughts on the subject...

    Q: What can you tell us about the 2014 engine?
    A: First of all, let's mention the rules rather than the engine. For 2014, the rules specify a maximum race fuel allowance of 100 kg - compared to a typical race fuel load of around 150 kg today, although that's not fixed by the rules.

    That means we have one third less fuel to complete the same race distance with - and we want to do it at the same speed. So we need a powertrain that's 30% more energy efficient.

    Q: And that's where the new engine comes in?
    A: Well, it's not really just an engine any more. Without getting too technical, Article 1.22 of the Technical Regulations now refers to what's called a 'Power Unit'. This comprises an ICE (Internal Combustion Engine), an ERS (Energy Recovery System) and all the ancillaries needed to make them work.

    But why a Power Unit? Well, today's V8 essentially features a "bolt-on" KERS Hybrid system that was added during the engine's life. The 2014 Power Unit has been designed with integrated hybrid systems from the very beginning.

    Q: Interesting. F1 loves jargon, so ICE and ERS sound just perfect. What do they
    A: The ICE is the traditional engine in the Power Unit package. 1.6 litre capacity, turbocharged, and with direct fuel injection at a pressure of up to 100 bar. Where the current engines rev to 18,000 rpm, the ICE is limited to 15,000 rpm from 2014.

    As for ERS, it's like KERS on steroids: not only can we still harvest energy from and deploy energy to the rear axle, we can now do the same from the turbocharger; the kinetic machine is called MGUK (Motor Generator Unit Kinetic) and the machine on the turbo an MGUH ('h' for heat).

    In total, we are allowed to harvest and deploy energy at twice the power to the rear axle - so 161 hp compared to 80.5 hp today. And we are allowed to deploy ten times as much energy - 4MJ compared to 400 kJ. Simply put, that means a bigger power boost for a higher percentage of the lap.

    Q: And that's what helps improve the efficiency?
    A: Exactly. Part of the efficiency gain comes from the ICE, which runs at lower speeds with fewer moving parts than the V8 and the benefit of turbocharging; but the other part is to be found in the ERS.

    Today, the fuel energy we combust in the engine then has one possible energy journey to improve system efficiency, via the KERS system.

    In 2014, there will be up to seven possible energy journeys to keep energy within the vehicle rather than wasting it through the exhausts and brakes.

    Q: Sound pretty impressive. Will it be exciting for the fans?
    A: We believe so. The target is to achieve the same power output of around 750 hp but to do so using around 30% less fuel.

    In terms of sound, the engine note is not as loud as the current V8 because of two factors: the lower engine speed and the fact that the turbocharger sits in the exhaust flow, recovering energy from it that would otherwise be lost as heat and sound.

    But because of the mechanical balance of a V6 engine, it also sounds sweeter. And we're confident that fans will find it pretty exciting when they hear it at the track.

    Q: What impact will it have on the racing?
    A: First of all, the engine is going to produce a lot more torque than the current V8 and over a wider power band.

    That means the car is going to be grip limited on corner exit, in technical terms; in layman's terms, they're going to be a handful for the drivers.

    The next point is that it will reward the most intelligent drivers - the fastest way to finish a race will not always be straightforward and the cleverest drivers will probably adapt fastest to the new challenges.

    Q: So will we see F1 turned into an economy run - or cars running out of fuel in the latter stages?
    A: Unlikely. Managing fuel consumption is already a critical part of F1 and it will remain so in 2014; for example, did you know that our V8 can complete a race distance today using 11.6% less fuel than it did in 2006?

    Today, teams are very good at monitoring fuel consumption: we track each injection of fuel into each cylinder so we know exactly how much fuel is being used. And there are over five million injections in an average race!

    Ultimately, the smartest driver in the quickest car will be successful in 2014, which remains true to the fundamental challenge of Formula One. What we're really doing is putting the 'motor' back into 'motorsport'...

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    The Turbocharged V6 Engines will be fine. One only has to listen to a 2012 Indy Car engine to hear what it will sound like. An Indy Car engine is a Turbo V6 engine reving to 12,000 RPM's. They will have plenty of power and increase power and use of KERS use will make them a challenge.

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    Don't worry guys, there will always be a little hype when Mercedes is concerned, as they give McLaren their engines.
    It is apparently 'widely believed' that they have the best KERS, when it has broken down many times, especially on Schumi's car. Renault as well, with RedBull.
    Ferrari has had virtually no problems with the KERS since it came back in 2011.

    It seems this engine thing has only been based on top speed, and as the Mercedes cars traditionally run less wing than others, of course they will have the top speed (especially MGP). Incidentally Sauber, who also run less wing than the top teams had higher speed trap figures recently than the Merc teams. In reliability, Ferrari come out on top, so i am sure they could use their vast experience to push some of the components further on the edge to get speed anyways. God knows how many issues McLaren had with their reliability with the gearbox and engine in 2012.

    Also, I remember the last time engine development was allowed. Ferrari were winning many races, while the Merc engines were blowing up left right and centre.

    We cannot know for sure and JA may be right, but there is no need to worry based on this article really. Even if Merc have the edge at the start of 2014 Ferrari would catch up very soon. I am sure of that.


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    @scuderiafan,

    +1! You make some very strong points! Ferrari have an excellent Engineer as the Chief of Engine Design and Electronics in the form of Luca Marmorini. He is a very Exception Engineer and has provided Ferrari with Engine Performance not seen since Paulo Martinelli was the leader of the Engine Design & Engineering Department.

    The engines, Ferrari will make in 2014', will be VERY STRONG, VERY POWERFUL AND HOPEFULLY BE VERY LIGHT AND FUEL EFFICIENT!

    Ferrari has always been about "Engines" and "Engine Power"! This is "THEIR" strong point, always! I am keeping the Faith in the Ferrari Engineering Team that they will once again produce the BEST Engine of this new era of Turbocharged V6 Engines!

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    Off topic,

    Talking about engine sound, i came across this great video, Gerhard Berger in the Ferrari 640 V12 winning the 1989 Estoril Gp.
    It's the full race, on board, great stuff !

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    Great Footage! I remember the race!

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    I hope there'll be pre pre-season test for teams to fit the engine and engine manufacturers to check the reliability. We'll soon heard the next gen engines sound.

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    @Massimo

    What a video. It's so awesome to hear at the start how he asks EVERYTHING from the engine!
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    I'm sorry.....but I just had to!!!

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    I HOPE WE THRASH RENAULT OUT OF THE PARK, CAN NOT DEAL WITH THEM BEEN AHEAD OF MERCADES OR FERRARI ENGINES!!!

    F1 2014 rules a minefield for top teams says Red Bull's Horner
    By Jonathan Noble

    Thursday, February 14th 2013, 13:50 GMT

    Red Bull boss Christian Horner admits there is a chance that one of Formula 1's current frontrunning teams could make a hash of the 2014 rules and end up stuck in the midfield.

    With teams preparing for the switch to all-new regulations next year - when 1.6-litre turbo V6 engines are introduced - there is no guarantee that current competitiveness will flow through into 2014.

    When asked about coping with the threat of being shuffled down the order - either through getting the car or engine wrong – Horner said: "I think that for sure 2014 is going to be a risk for everyone.

    "Nobody knows where anybody is with their respective engines at the moment, and you can see within Viry [Renault's engine headquarters] there is a lot of determination and a lot of good work going on.

    "Renault has a tremendous track record and we have a lot of faith in the engineers at Viry. You can see where they are with their programme, while Mercedes and Ferrari are also pushing extremely hard as well.

    "The racing in F1 next year could be quite different, and there could be more focus on economy than absolute performance. It will be an interesting challenge.

    "We have confidence in our engine partner, but we will only know in 2014."

    Horner sure Red Bull can match manufacturers

    Although it has been suggested that manufacturer teams Mercedes and Ferrari will have an advantage for 2014 because of the increasing importance of integrating the engine and chassis, Horner is not so convinced.

    He believes that the close ties that Red Bull has with Renault are enough to ensure that his team is not left on the back foot.

    "I think we have an extremely good relationship with the guys in Viry," he said. "And we have a clear [works] status with Renault.

    "There has been an awful lot of exchange of design ideas, and the way you integrate your chassis and your power plant into your chassis is a clear element.

    "Whether it is Mercedes in Brackley dealing with Brixworth or Milton Keynes dealing with Viry, that relationship I would assume is reasonably similar."

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    Renault presented his version of V6...Do we have some info about Ferrari version? Will it be also presented soon or not?

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