A revolutionary car Mr.Newey? I think not.
You better prepare yourself for battle, 'cause we're coming after you in "we are Ferrari – and the devil can try to take us if he wishes” style.
This is where it ends Seb!
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A revolutionary car Mr.Newey? I think not.
You better prepare yourself for battle, 'cause we're coming after you in "we are Ferrari – and the devil can try to take us if he wishes” style.
This is where it ends Seb!
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Enzo Ferrari once drove with him and recalled even on bends "he never took his foot from the accelerator".
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hope you are right
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These RBR cars kind of remind me of the Porsche 911 designs, all look the same.
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Thank you! I guess it's the angle of the camera, eh?Originally Posted by FrankAlfa
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If it aint broke, don't fix it, I guess.
RB9 looks very very similar to RB8. There are many differences in the other cars, but really the main one here is the purple livery. They might be a little bit behind and will bring a lot to the tests like Ferrari, because the F138 so far has the rear of the F2012 with a new gearbox.
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Our new rear is sleeker and alot better packaged, along with the longer gearbox to maximise the flow to the diffuser. May look the same but its all new.
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Oh, under the skin I am sure it is different, but my point was that new bodywork imo isn't on the car yet.
It might be sleeker than the redBull, but I very much doubt it. They use a much smaller KERS that doesn't work half the time and they have a different engine so it is easier to smaller sidepods for them.
Ferrari have good packaging AND reliability. They might even (probably will) have even better packaging than the launch spec, but RB have the advantage that Renault makes their components easier to pack and that Newey doesn't care as much about reliability.
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When you touched the KERS. I believe we have new KERS package this year, which is combining everything (bateries, electronics,...) into one compact box? I think that Scarb??? said, that it is different then what others are doing, and that it's really clever (or something like that)
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911? I hope not, don't feel like 40 years of Red Bull still to come.
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Enzo Ferrari once drove with him and recalled even on bends "he never took his foot from the accelerator".
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no way amico mio. Dont think they will stay once they get beaten and dominated, starting this year with our F138.
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Yes, I think the all of the Red Bull cars have the same "duckbill" nose being the most prominent feature which is why we think that all look the same. They have all had very tight fitting rear body skin as well.
I usually look briefly at their cars but really don't dwell on them.
One can not help but look at the Red Bull cars when they are clearly cheating though and get away with it time and time again!!!!!!
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I like it how McLaren and Ferrari went totally diff way from Lotus and RedBull in the front aerodynamics. We went pull-rod, stepless, really high front way, while others kept their last year front. If the season starts and ours way works better, they wont be able to copy us.
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Nice little Article
Red Bull's RB9 is a clear evolution of the championship winning RB8, but then again, so were the RB8 and the RB6 themselves, who also won both championships driven by Sebastian Vettel. This time around, we can again expect something special on the Newey designed racer.
One of the most remarkable features at first sight is retaining the stepped nose. The chassis itself and hence the front bulkhead is as high as it can be within the regulations, so a vanity panel on top of the nose cone is used to smooth the step that is created. However, it's just a very small panel, creating some sort of a ramp, after which Red Bull have seemingly hidden a tiny air outlet, most likely a copy of Sauber's S-duct that catches high pressure air from underneath the nose and spits it out on top of it, creating a tiny bit of downforce.
The front wing on the launched car is clearly a place holder and will undoubtedly change during testing. Newey however said much work went into the design of the new front wings for this year, as the FIA beefed up its flexing test to further reduce the team's possibilities to exploit flexibility and twist under high speeds.
The sidepods at the front have changed only little, with Red Bull retaining the same philosophy of implementing a big, short sidepod of which the upper surface drops down rapidly towards the rear end of the car. The car's design around the cockpit appears to be very similar to what was present on the RB8 as well, with seemingly identical crash protection structure left and right on the cockpit opening. Also the mirrors are nothing special, although Red Bull have minimised the length of the support to reduce yet again another tiny bit of drag.
Suspension wise, the team slightly redesigned the suspension elements to allow for a wider window of settings to be able to better exploit the Pirelli tyres. This appears to be a major trend among all teams. Heavily focusing on this, Red Bull have retained their traditional push rod front suspension and the rear end pull rod suspension.
Particularly interesting is yet again the rear end of the car. While the exhaust area is likely to change early on in testing, a way for the team to give away too much at the launch, some changes are remarkable. One of these is the swan neck on the beam wing, which denotes a different style of connection of the beam wing to the chassis. While this is traditionally done by a single support underneath the wing (because that is the shortest connection possible), Red Bull have now used a connection that attached to the upper surface of the beam wing, cleaning up the area underneath the wing.
However, the most peculiar item of the car is a bulge in the floor just behind the exhaust outlet (which on its behalf also appeared to be a 2012 specification bodywork element). This bulge was notably absent on the renderings that Red Bull Racing released of its new car. It is surely also no coincidence that no pictures were revealed of the car's rear end, with the media present not allowed to take any pictures at all.
This bulge may be twofold and could be crucial for the car's rear end downforce generation, but could nonetheless already be seen on the RB8 in its Brazilian GP specification at the end of 2012. First of all, it has the potential to slightly redirect exhaust gases towards the area between the diffuser and the inner wall of the rear tyres. This happens to be the area most interesting to have exhaust flow, as it can work as a seal for the diffuser.
However, while it is totally unproven yet, it would be surprising if this is just a bulge, as the height of it is quite substantial, creating the possibility to have air flown within the bulge itself. It is speculation at this time, but it does not need a huge amount of imagination to see the possibility of air flowing within this bump and exiting just over the diffuser, possibly over the entire width of the diffuser. Where this air comes from is also still up for discussion, but this could both be from within the sidepod, as well as from the channel underneath the exhaust. Wait and see...
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Does the rear look tighter compared to last year? This RB has potential (just trying to jinx here)
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@ Massimo,
Great Comparison of the RB9 vs. RB7. I wonder how many Championships Red Bull would have won is the FIA did not let them get away with all of the Cheating they have done??? At least two Championships maybe all three??? One wonders how great Newey and company really are??? There has been a lot of illegal parts used and the FIA has looked the other way many times that have allowed Red Bull to win the Championship last year alone. One only has to look at the Rubber Nose and Flexing Front Wing to see the cheating going on and WELL beyond the spirit of the rules that the FIA has permitted. Lets hope the 2013' season will be based on Red Bull not being allowed to "get away with it" as they have for several years now.
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This is why we have to learn to change our approach rather than crying about RB. There is NO SUCH thing as spirit of the rules. #%"Ī%&" spirit of the rules! I know what it is meaning, but as long as others donīt bother why should we?
Push beyond the spirit of the rules to the absolute limit. Thatīs what the winners always do. Rules if you look at them in a court are black or white. If there is greyareas, step over them, as long as you donīt break the rule to the letter.
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True, but i tend to believe, the grey area is not the same for everybody.
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Lewis filming himself for his next tweet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=VsdBOtgWQYA
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I can't make my mind up if that's the worst car launch video ever, or the worst phone launch video ever. Maybe it's both.
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Anyone know where I can get the timeing for tomoorows opening practice?
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Last car of interest of this season will be Toro Rosso for me.
Not because I like the team (despite of the history of the old owner) just because of one man: James Key.
In my point of view he created max. result by the resources he had to work with ...
And to be honest I was speculating that Ferrari had an eye and a hand on him
And it will be interesting if his success continues.
And somehow I get the impression that they (RB) use him as a successor for earl Newey ...
James Key, il principe ...
wonder what ToroRosso can do this year ... despite of leaving the track when Dr. Marko's darling is coming ...
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...the only thing they're gonna do this year, is move outta the way when pettel will qualify really crappy...same thing tehy (both drivers) did last year when pettel had to start from the back in abu dhabi
torro rosso is a and will always be a backmarker....at best a midfield
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STR8: Far more conventional sidepods..
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STR8: very high lower wishbone mounts on the upright, scoopless brake ducts http://www.racecar-engineering.com/w...zupstr8iiy.jpg … pics via @RacecarEngineer
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Lewis trying to sell us a Blackberry
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Pay millions for brand on car. Pay millions for product placement at launch. Have driver cover logo with finger during shoot.
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It is like you read my mind! I had that feeling since it was clear he was leaving Sauber. And since he said he wanted more resources (Sauber and Force India were too poor for his ambitions!?) it was odd he ended up at Torro Rosso. But knowing Red Bull, they gave Torro Rosso and James Key a chance to make good on all the $$$ Red Bull is giving to them and in the process make a huge career for JK and keeping the TR team in the RB family. Pending results ofc!
I was also hoping he would come Maranello.
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