1st Pre Season test - Jerez - All info and photos here

[stefa]

I am sure that guys at Ferrari knows what they are doing, and that after such a miserable start to last year FM would not say after first day of testing just to say it, that F138 is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than F2012.
So, let's wait till last test, and FP3 in Australia, and than make judgments.

[Kingdom Hearts]

So they don't want to say it in public but they say it to journalists that for sure will write the info in their web or newspaper?. lol

[radosav]

Force India have a very good rate of tyre degradation. Felipe-14 laps stint lost 4 sec/Perez 15 laps stint lost 3 sec.

Last year during testing Mclaren had good tyre degradation but when season started they never were sure how will tyres behave during GP weekend. There was too much oscillation between practice , qualifying and race behavior of tyres!

[impactX]

That whale on the Mercedes' wing does not look happy.

interesting "monkey-seat" on he mercedes:

[OSS EL BOSS]

I dont understand what lotus are doing they are doing 1.18 and 1.19 all day!

[Hermann]

I think the blogger got it from the AMuS live commentary.

Bei Ferrari ist man hinter den Türen etwas besorgt über die Hitzeprobleme und den eigenen Speed. Nach außen gibt man sich aber optimistisch.

'Behind the doors, at Ferrari they are a bit worried about heat problems and speed. But they show optimism to the public.'

[OSS EL BOSS]

Also interestin is why do Ferrari spend sooo long time in the pit between the runs. Maybe they are doing some modificaions on the exhaust.

[Jose Lorca]

I dont understand what lotus are doing they are doing 1.18 and 1.19 all day!

[anakin]

Yes we all know what is the meaning of testing vs. qualifying.
And what are the things that happens during testing period.

But come on. let us not be hypocrite.
we all know that teams do have different programs
BUT WE CANNOT DENY that we are not looking at the time sheets and wonder
why the ferrari is down on the order????

I just remembered last year that some here still convinced that the F2012 is championship caliber and just running very different program compared to the other teams that is why it is down the order. And the truth is, the F2012 is a handful machine to drive

we are jut asking why the F138 is down on the order?
tires?
fuel load?
sandbagging or not?
or just no plans yet to reveal the cards?
its pretty sarcastic to point that testing is different from qualifying.

[Jose Lorca]

Yesterday Gary Anderson praised the cars handling and so did Massa. I trust these opinions.

Why would AMuS have sources inside Ferrari? They are Mercedes and Vettel fanboys, and love doom-mongering Ferrari at every possible moment. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

[Massimo]

I think the blogger got it from the AMuS live commentary.

'Behind the doors, at Ferrari they are a bit worried about heat problems and speed. But they show optimism to the public.'

Ferrari 1.6 sec. McLaren almost 1.5 sec., Red Bull and the praised Sauber well over a second of the pace.
The dominant teams this year will be Lotus, Force India and Torro Rosso, hmm...interesting season

[ferrari4life]

I agree.. that is the point of a discussion forum.. People with different opinions are allowed to post on here. However others tend to use the "doom and gloom" excuse to blast realists.. I understand that these times mean nothing but why should people not be allowed to wonder on here why we are not fast.
I appreciate some of the level headed people pointing out on here that even thought we might not be at the front the car seems a lot more stable and that's a positive step. However that doesn't necessarily mean its going to be fast. Honestly I have been let down by Ferrari the last 2-3 years with the either coming so close and loosing or the no where near the front approach. However I follow F1 to see us win.

Yes we all know what is the meaning of testing vs. qualifying.
And what are the things that happens during testing period.

But come on. let us not be hypocrite.
we all know that teams do have different programs
BUT WE CANNOT DENY that we are not looking at the time sheets and wonder
why the ferrari is down on the order????

I just remembered last year that some here still convinced that the F2012 is championship caliber and just running very different program compared to the other teams that is why it is down the order. And the truth is, the F2012 is a handful machine to drive

we are jut asking why the F138 is down on the order?
tires?
fuel load?
sandbagging or not?
or just no plans yet to reveal the cards?
its pretty sarcastic to point that testing is different from qualifying.

[diesel08]

Last year during testing Mclaren had good tyre degradation but when season started they never were sure how will tyres behave during GP weekend. There was too much oscillation between practice , qualifying and race behavior of tyres!

yes, but this year pirreli tyres will be more predictable-last year I remember that lotus was better in term of degradation in winter test

[anakin]

Ferrari 1.6 sec. McLaren almost 1.5 sec., Red Bull and the praised Sauber well over a second of the pace.
The dominant teams this year will be Lotus, Force India and Torro Rosso, hmm...interesting season

2009
brawn
toyota and williams

[khizerk]

Its quite easy to see and compare.

http://f1tests.info/2013.php?rev=on

See the groupings of Grosjean. 5 lap runs.
See those of Massa (whole day) and RBR (early day). Long runs.
On those long runs, massa was lapping in 1.21-22s. RBR in 1.24-1.25s.

When RBR came to 5 lap runs, it dropped to 1.19-1.20s.

Draw the conclusion.

Lotus are concentrating on work using qualifying baselines. Others are using race fuel as the baseline.

[tifosi_kaka]

Dear 'realists', would you guys mind to share with us the team's testing programme or telemetry to us so that we know how badly we are doing? Like we have some team personnel here being the whisperer telling us the reality and the 'prophecy'.

I only remembered that we were slow in 2004 pre-season while Williams with the funny nose was tipped to be fastest; I remembered in 2011 or 2012 that we were tipped to be 'the team taking it to the Bulls', 'one day we look faster and the other day it's Red Bull' (2012 I think).

I didn't mean to start any war between 'realists' and 'optimists', but the way how some made the conclusion because of what happened in the past and the glimpse of a day and a half was way too funny. If some of us here were the team boss, we might got a completely new team every single month.

If anyone here can't take it, please I suggest you guys leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne, to prove 'us' wrong. Just don't stop others from enjoying the testing. So frustrated to see all the doom and gloom verdicts when I am only interested in what the team is doing and the events on the track.

I don't even mind what the real experts said, because I do not think you can make conclusions when a car is not driven at 100%. At 100km/h, even the HRT or Minardis looked planted. So?

[Hermann]

TR is always fast in first testing, don't forget they are working a bit for RB as well- and the Lotus does seem a good car, for now. If they had better drivers, who knows what they could achieve.
Anyway, maybe i got a bit confused here- was this supposed to be a venting or cheering thread?

[anakin]

the lotus looks fast but also eats its tires!!!

[Grillo]

PRESEASON TESTING 2012 SUMMARY (JEREZ DE LA FRONTERA)

[F2002]

Yes we all know what is the meaning of testing vs. qualifying.
And what are the things that happens during testing period.

But come on. let us not be hypocrite.
we all know that teams do have different programs
BUT WE CANNOT DENY that we are not looking at the time sheets and wonder
why the ferrari is down on the order????

I just remembered last year that some here still convinced that the F2012 is championship caliber and just running very different program compared to the other teams that is why it is down the order. And the truth is, the F2012 is a handful machine to drive

we are jut asking why the F138 is down on the order?
tires?
fuel load?
sandbagging or not?
or just no plans yet to reveal the cards?
its pretty sarcastic to point that testing is different from qualifying.

Whoever said that F2012 was not of championship caliber ?

With all the problems they had with the wind tunnel, it finished within 3 points of Vettel's Red Bull.

Even by simple comparison, things look already much better than last year.

[diesel08]

Dear 'realists', would you guys mind to share with us the team's testing programme or telemetry to us so that we know how badly we are doing? Like we have some team personnel here being the whisperer telling us the reality and the 'prophecy'.

I only remembered that we were slow in 2004 pre-season while Williams with the funny nose was tipped to be fastest; I remembered in 2011 or 2012 that we were tipped to be 'the team taking it to the Bulls', 'one day we look faster and the other day it's Red Bull' (2012 I think).

I didn't mean to start any war between 'realists' and 'optimists', but the way how some made the conclusion because of what happened in the past and the glimpse of a day and a half was way too funny. If some of us here were the team boss, we might got a completely new team every single month.

If anyone here can't take it, please I suggest you guys leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne, to prove 'us' wrong. Just don't stop others from enjoying the testing. So frustrated to see all the doom and gloom verdicts when I am only interested in what the team is doing and the events on the track.

I don't even mind what the real experts said, because I do not think you can make conclusions when a car is not driven at 100%. At 100km/h, even the HRT or Minardis looked planted. So?

[Massimo]

@Anakin,

2009
brawn
toyota and williams

@Hermann,

Venting, but at least we're having fun now, you know what, if Ferrari doesn't score a podium in Melbourne, i'll change my signature to: "rule#1 Hermann is always right, rule#2 in case of doubt, refer to rule#1"

@mods. Strange that you moved the thread, a lot of people were asking wat Ferrari was doing.

[anakin]

Whoever said that F2012 was not of championship caliber ?

With all the problems they had with the wind tunnel, it finished within 3 points of Vettel's Red Bull.

Even by simple comparison, things look already much better than last year.

if the F2012 is championship caliber with the performance of alonso, he should have won the championship convincingly

simple comparison.
jerez 2012 - f2012 +1.2sec
jerez 2013 - f138 +1.6sec

not being negative but just pretty worried

[Hornet]

I don't even mind what the real experts said, because I do not think you can make conclusions when a car is not driven at 100%. At 100km/h, even the HRT or Minardis looked planted. So?

That's not what they do all day and I'm sure you knew it. There are certain times where they try to push in certain areas to see how the car feel and react, and if you look at past testing, it does happen. Teams to up the pace, and sometimes they show hints of certain problems like lack of rear stability and so on.

Not all testing are aero testing. At the end of the day, you have to check and see if the entire package is working fine when it matters most, that is going through the corners at the speed they should. Of course they may not put everything together into a record lap time, but you can't learn anything if the car is not doing what its supposed to do.

Another example is tire degradation. They would fill up the car with fuel, and run long runs at speed near race pace.

[anialonso]

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson in Jerez

"I've been out on the track watching the cars and the Lotus continues to look very impressive. The front end is always there, the traction is good and Romain Grosjean is able to be committed on the throttle. Sergio Perez was on a long run in the McLaren and he was very consistent. It also looks pretty good. The Toro Rosso has lost its edge from yesterday - now the rear is moving too much, which was always their problem last year. Red Bull I believe are concentrating on reliability before some upgrades but at the moment it looks like a one-line car - if the driver misses the turn-in, it's hard to get the nose back on line. The Ferrari looks OK, but its tyres are going off more quickly than some others - and it's not always riding the bumps as well as the best."

[Gerhard Berger]

Dear 'realists', would you guys mind to share with us the team's testing programme or telemetry to us so that we know how badly we are doing? Like we have some team personnel here being the whisperer telling us the reality and the 'prophecy'.

I only remembered that we were slow in 2004 pre-season while Williams with the funny nose was tipped to be fastest; I remembered in 2011 or 2012 that we were tipped to be 'the team taking it to the Bulls', 'one day we look faster and the other day it's Red Bull' (2012 I think).
I didn't mean to start any war between 'realists' and 'optimists', but the way how some made the conclusion because of what happened in the past and the glimpse of a day and a half was way too funny. If some of us here were the team boss, we might got a completely new team every single month.

If anyone here can't take it, please I suggest you guys leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne, to prove 'us' wrong. Just don't stop others from enjoying the testing. So frustrated to see all the doom and gloom verdicts when I am only interested in what the team is doing and the events on the track.

I don't even mind what the real experts said, because I do not think you can make conclusions when a car is not driven at 100%. At 100km/h, even the HRT or Minardis looked planted. So?

It was 2011 that people were saying we were as fast or faster than Red Bull based on testing times. And then come Melbourne qualifying we got horrible cold shower and realised we were over a second off the pace.

In fact in both 2010 and 2011 (when Costa arranged our testing programme) we topped the timesheets in early testing (rather similar to what Lotus is doing now) and everyone was talking us up as title contenders and the fastest car.

[ferrari4life]

Why dont you practice what you are preaching. All they are doing is wondering why the car is slower than the others around. Are you saying you cant enjoy testing because you have to listen to people wonder why we are not topping the time sheets? This is a discussion forum that encourages different kinds of people to join and discuss. If you don't want to read the "doom and gloom" posts then skip them. You say you don't want to start a war yet you are continuing to argue about it. Instead of letting it "ruin" your testing why don't you stop commenting on them and move on. or to take your own advice and "leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne"
You are not required to comment on every post on here just the ones that you find interesting.

Dear 'realists', would you guys mind to share with us the team's testing programme or telemetry to us so that we know how badly we are doing? Like we have some team personnel here being the whisperer telling us the reality and the 'prophecy'.

I only remembered that we were slow in 2004 pre-season while Williams with the funny nose was tipped to be fastest; I remembered in 2011 or 2012 that we were tipped to be 'the team taking it to the Bulls', 'one day we look faster and the other day it's Red Bull' (2012 I think).

I didn't mean to start any war between 'realists' and 'optimists', but the way how some made the conclusion because of what happened in the past and the glimpse of a day and a half was way too funny. If some of us here were the team boss, we might got a completely new team every single month.

If anyone here can't take it, please I suggest you guys leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne, to prove 'us' wrong. Just don't stop others from enjoying the testing. So frustrated to see all the doom and gloom verdicts when I am only interested in what the team is doing and the events on the track.

I don't even mind what the real experts said, because I do not think you can make conclusions when a car is not driven at 100%. At 100km/h, even the HRT or Minardis looked planted. So?

[anialonso]

I think the blogger got it from the AMuS live commentary.

'Behind the doors, at Ferrari they are a bit worried about heat problems and speed. But they show optimism to the public.'

Here it goes again..!!!

[diesel08]

Why dont you practice what you are preaching. All they are doing is wondering why the car is slower than the others around. Are you saying you cant enjoy testing because you have to listen to people wonder why we are not topping the time sheets? This is a discussion forum that encourages different kinds of people to join and discuss. If you don't want to read the "doom and gloom" posts then skip them. You say you don't want to start a war yet you are continuing to argue about it. Instead of letting it "ruin" your testing why don't you stop commenting on them and move on. or to take your own advice and "leave and come back again at Q1 of Melbourne"
You are not required to comment on every post on here just the ones that you find interesting.

very good,

[Forzi]

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...eb-to-3-March-
Not sure if it was posted, but looks like Sky will be bringing Live coverage of the last 4 days in Barcelona.