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    Felipe has to let Nando go right from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faloupas View Post
    First post ever.Hello everybody,lets have a good season.
    Guys lets see the truth again,,,ok its only the first race,but almost a second below RB?In wet quali?I wish i am wrong but i think there's no hope for us again.The same situation after 2011,2012.For me thats a disappointing result
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Felipe has to let Nando go right from the start.
    There's no way Ferrari can implement team orders today....i would stop being a ferrari fan if something like that happens....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Felipe has to let Nando go right from the start.
    Why? They're even at this point of the season. Who knows, maybe the car suits Massa's driving style better and he'll be the faster of the two.

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    From what I've seen, the Red Bull and the Mercedes can quickly get heat into their tires, whereas the Ferrari takes a bit more time. Given the nature of this year's tires, I would assume Ferrari will have much less tire degradation than those two - especially in the race.

    Having said that, one second deficit in qualy at Albert Park with low temps is okay. From the start of the european season and up to the last race, we'll have warm temperatures. Plus, there's the development race.

    We have nothing to worry about. This is just a drag race to the 19th race. We gonna do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996 GT1 Lover View Post
    Why? They're even at this point of the season. Who knows, maybe the car suits Massa's driving style better and he'll be the faster of the two.
    Well, because Fernando is the lead driver. Also, because even if Felipe has flashes of brilliance, they never last, whereas Fernando is on it all the time.

    On a side note, I read that Alonso's DRS wasn't working on his hot lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Felipe has to let Nando go right from the start.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    I read that Alonso's DRS wasn't working on his hot lap.
    And are you sure that Felipe's did? His sector times were similar to Alonso's,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996 GT1 Lover View Post
    Why? They're even at this point of the season. Who knows, maybe the car suits Massa's driving style better and he'll be the faster of the two.
    Coz we all know this is not going to last all season long.

    this = massa being faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    From what I've seen, the Red Bull and the Mercedes can quickly get heat into their tires, whereas the Ferrari takes a bit more time. Given the nature of this year's tires, I would assume Ferrari will have much less tire degradation than those two - especially in the race.

    Having said that, one second deficit in qualy at Albert Park with low temps is okay. From the start of the european season and up to the last race, we'll have warm temperatures. Plus, there's the development race.

    We have nothing to worry about. This is just a drag race to the 19th race. We gonna do it.
    Not sure about RB,but yes,Ferrari's degradation appears to be on the lower side....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Coz we all know this is not going to last all season long.

    this = massa being faster.
    He probably wont be able to keep this up all season,but nevertheless,it will result in ferrari's reputation being lowered further in the eyes of the sporting world....let there be no discussion regarding team orders at this stage of the season!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Well, because Fernando is the lead driver. Also, because even if Felipe has flashes of brilliance, they never last, whereas Fernando is on it all the time.

    On a side note, I read that Alonso's DRS wasn't working on his hot lap.
    Alonso is not leasing driver. Both are on a same level at the start of the year. The "number 1" is being decided only when the other one is losing too much points and can't realisticly fight for the championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Alonso is not leasing driver. Both are on a same level at the start of the year. The "number 1" is being decided only when the other one is losing too much points and can't realisticly fight for the championship.
    Don't be naive. If Felipe was such a good driver, Ferrari wouldn't have hired Fernando in place of Kimi. Felipe is fast, but he's not consistent. You can't rely on him, unlike Fernando.

    This is not just about getting one good flying lap. This is also about racecraft, motivating the team, doing politics, handling the pressure. Fernando can do all of those, whereas Felipe is only good on the flying lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    Coz we all know this is not going to last all season long.

    this = massa being faster.
    Who are you and why are you talking for everyone? Do you have something that confirms, that Felipe will lose his form? Some crystal ball or something?!
    Last edited by Kyss4k; 17th March 2013 at 02:46.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Whe are you and why are you talking for everyone? Do you have something that confirms, that Felipe will lose his form? Some crystal ball or something?!
    Oh, come on, now. Remember the last three years?

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    Vettel- pole? Well, told you so. But the race is another thing, some RB engine could blow up, or rain comes into play- you never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann View Post
    Vettel- pole? Well, told you so. But the race is another thing, some RB engine could blow up, or rain comes into play- you never know
    Over at Autosport someone was saying Vettels' tires looked shot after qualy. That RB9 is eating its tires like there's no tomorow.

    Bad for the race.

    EDIT: Apparently, Fernando really has a DRS problem on his car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Don't be naive. If Felipe was such a good driver, Ferrari wouldn't have hired Fernando in place of Kimi. Felipe is fast, but he's not consistent. You can't rely on him, unlike Fernando.

    This is not just about getting one good flying lap. This is also about racecraft, motivating the team, doing politics, handling the pressure. Fernando can do all of those, whereas Felipe is only good on the flying lap.
    Yea, Fernando wasn't really consistent at the end of 2012 was he... Kimi was not a fit for Ferrari and by the way, the last year Felipe and Kimi fought together, Felipe destroyed him and if I recall correctly, he almost became 2008 champion... that tells you he is not a top racer? He had a long period of tragic showings, but making him n2 when for some time already he looks in better shape than Alonso itself... that screems fanaticism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    Oh, come on, now. Remember the last three years?
    Oh come on now, do you remeber the end of the 2012 season?

    But yeah, Felipe found himself finally, let's bash him hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Yea, Fernando wasn't really consistent at the end of 2012 was he... Kimi was not a fit for Ferrari and by the way, the last year Felipe and Kimi fought together, Felipe destroyed him and if I recall correctly, he almost became 2008 champion... that tells you he is not a top racer? He had a long period of tragic showings, but making him n2 when for some time already he looks in better shape than Alonso itself... that screems fanaticism.
    I agree that while FM is driving very well indeed,he certainly did not "destroy" Kimi...give the Finn some respect,for God's sake...would you rather have had Lewis as 2007 WDC????

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    Lets end these stupid discussions on FM's performances and team orders...i am pretty sure the latter wont be implemented today,otherwise Ferrari will lose a lot of their hard-won reputation...and let's acknowledge FM's return to form,but equally,lets not forget how poor he was from 2010-12,so hopefully he can keep this up...and LET US LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    Yea, Fernando wasn't really consistent at the end of 2012 was he... Kimi was not a fit for Ferrari and by the way, the last year Felipe and Kimi fought together, Felipe destroyed him and if I recall correctly, he almost became 2008 champion... that tells you he is not a top racer? He had a long period of tragic showings, but making him n2 when for some time already he looks in better shape than Alonso itself... that screems fanaticism.
    I'm not bashing Felipe here. I know he's as fast as anybody, but the boy lacks consistency. He's especially vulnerable when the car has shortcomings like Ferrari has since 2010. As for the Kimi vs Felipe part, well, those cars were top notch which allowed Felipe to stretch his legs.

    But good cars don't last, and Ferrari would have been lost without Fernando during these difficult years.

    Read it how you want, I mean no disrespect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoumyaBanerjee View Post
    Lets end these stupid discussions on FM's performances and team orders...i am pretty sure the latter wont be implemented today,otherwise Ferrari will lose a lot of their hard-won reputation...and let's acknowledge FM's return to form,but equally,lets not forget how poor he was from 2010-12,so hopefully he can keep this up...and LET US LEAVE IT AT THAT!!!!!
    You're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoumyaBanerjee View Post
    I agree that while FM is driving very well indeed,he certainly did not "destroy" Kimi...give the Finn some respect,for God's sake...would you rather have had Lewis as 2007 WDC????
    I ain't talking about 2007. And I wrote "destroyed" because based on comments from those two Felipe is not on Kimi's level, so to be beaten by a worse driver in the same car... well Kimi should be ashamed.

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    What's up with all this Massa bashing?

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    Yes I agree with observation. Vettel's tyres were in poor shape after Q3. We are close behind, have good starts and probably have lower tyre degradation than them. Victory is within reach. Does anyone know the state of Webber's tyres?

    Also, maybe some drivers weren't as pushing as hard as they can to preserve more tyre life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    I'm not bashing Felipe here. I know he's as fast as anybody, but the boy lacks consistency. He's especially vulnerable when the car has shortcomings like Ferrari has since 2010. As for the Kimi vs Felipe part, well, those cars were top notch which allowed Felipe to stretch his legs.

    But good cars don't last, and Ferrari would have been lost without Fernando during these difficult years.

    Read it how you want, I mean no disrespect.
    No disrespect, but you would destroy his chances in the first race without an eye blink... Call it what you want, I am calling it maliciousness. I am glad you are not a Ferrari strategist. Felipe deserves better.

    Going for a couple of hour sleep, good night.

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    I'm sure if Alonso is so much better than Felipe he will be able to get past him without Felipe moving over for him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    No disrespect, but you would destroy his chances in the first race without an eye blink... Call it what you want, I am calling it maliciousness. I am glad you are not a Ferrari strategist. Felipe deserves better.

    Going for a couple of hour sleep, good night.
    Well, Ferrari wouldn't want another 2010 or 2012, now would they. Losing the title by that small margin is painful. I was merely thinking that if it's a case of prioritizing resources, bet on Fernando. And judging by the last three years, that would be a sure bet.

    That's all. Now let's stop talking about this, it's getting boring.

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