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    Thumbs up Red Bull, Mercedes and Lotus targeted by the FIA?

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    The news for the moment remained concealed. No one has spoken yet, but the FIA scrutineers at Sepang three teams were summoned to intervene on their cars before the next Grand Prix of China, or they will be declared illegal: it's Red Bull Racing, Mercedes and Lotus. During scrutineering, the Grand Prix of Malaysia, the technicians of the International Federation have checked the T-Tray of the various machines, namely the splitter that is under the body and its "ties" to avoid the flexibility of the spoon and were no indications that at least they did discuss. And it is no coincidence that under observation are the first four cars of the league and the winner of the Malaysian Grand Prix of Australia ... RAKE STRUCTURE exasperated It has not escaped the men of Charlie Whiting in Australia that the machines of the top teams had a rake structure rather exasperated: that is to say that the front wing, when the car was moving was visimante lower, because the F.1 assumed a trim beaten, with the lower front and rear visibly higher. ALA LOW AND MORE ' LOAD WITH DIFFUSER The aerodynamic advantages are twofold: to have a front profile more grazing the land can increase the load and rebalance the car in the rear that, thanks to the "mini heat" which is active between the rear wheel and bulkhead of ' wing, exhaust blowers, can ensure a greater flow rate in the rear diffuser that can benefit from a higher venturi effect thanks in part to beat. VIEWFINDER'S 'THE T-TRAY This is possible because the splitter in the underbody, the lowest point of the car, deflects upward, avoiding the wooden shoe that is under the fund may consume too, crawling on the asphalt of the track, resulting in exclusion from the race (they are granted 2 mm wear). Charlie Whiting and Jo Bauer over time have changed the controls inspections: initially occurred only that the spoon does not flex seal down to the ground "beak". And then it was appeared different rods that later became the T-Tray, but in a second phase had to keep an eye on the deflection of the splitter, just to avoid the rake structure too pushed. PLATFORM MULTI FUNCTIONAL In box verification FIA is a multi-functional platform where the cars are brought to each GP for the controls. Formula 1 is positioned exactly with the wheels on the four scales. From the bottom of the template are made ​​to protrude steel pins that are placed in correspondence of the fixing holes of the table. Due to the weight of the machine estimated at about 580 kg (rider + vehicle must be 642 kg) of the car "sits" on the reference plane. It is at this point that of a hydraulic strut is applied a load of 200 kg that raises the front splitter measuring the deformation with the sensors. THREE SEATER NOT IN RULE A SEPANG In Sepang well three cars would not be within the tolerances allowed by the rules and would were invited to put in place for the next Grand Prix which will be held in China. In essence, the FIA has summoned three teams that raced in Malaysia outside the rules, to be within the regulatory limits in order to avoid a disqualification in Shanghai. RED BULL, LOTUS AND MERCEDES IN SIGHT? course started the witch hunt for find out what the team involved: the list seems to be no Red Bull in Sepang that just struck twice with RB9, along with Lotus and Mercedes. This news is bound to create a fuss in the Circus: for some this will be a great shaking of Easter ...

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    Incredible, i remember Todt's words, that this year we won't have the situation again that when a car is considered illegal, they just have to change it before the next race and can keep the points, no he said, when you're not within the rules you can't race, when irregularities are discovered after the race, you will lose your points..... yeah right.
    Todt, Whiting and Bauer, you incompetent pieces of .........!
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    Gone back on their words already. Its RBR they get away with everything. Making a joke of the rules and regulations. If the car(s) are illegal, should not be allowed to race that weekend.Full stop, if do race as we have had, take away all points from that weekend, or, ban them for a race.
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    Nice guys finish last. thats it surely ferrari will now break the rules and just change the car for the next race. no point taking a moral high ground you are disadvantaged so ferrari need 17 illegal solutions for the remainig races and introduce one every weekend . they will be made to change for the next race they can put their next illegal part on. its only fare.

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    Since it's still in rumor form, won't say anything. One way or the other, glad it's been noticed in the 2nd season race and not somewhere in the middle/end. Also rather strange to see not one, not two but THREE TOP teams doing something that's clearly illegal. Seems rather cocky and just no respect for the rules. Not sure what to think right now, waiting for other sources to get talking about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark p View Post
    Nice guys finish last. thats it surely ferrari will now break the rules and just change the car for the next race. no point taking a moral high ground you are disadvantaged so ferrari need 17 illegal solutions for the remainig races and introduce one every weekend . they will be made to change for the next race they can put their next illegal part on. its only fare.
    Exactly....And it's not only RedBull.The reason for the sparks under Raikonnens Lotus in Melbourne must be the same illegality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino View Post
    Exactly....And it's not only RedBull.The reason for the sparks under Raikonnens Lotus in Melbourne must be the same illegality.
    Now that's something i really saw strange. Lotus had LOADS of sparks constantly around the lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    Now that's something i really saw strange. Lotus had LOADS of sparks constantly around the lap.
    Every one around us keep on cheating while we watch them take the points. Where is JEAN TODT????

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    Family time now, far more important, buona pasqua a voi e famiglia..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino View Post
    Exactly....And it's not only RedBull.The reason for the sparks under Raikonnens Lotus in Melbourne must be the same illegality.
    Quote Originally Posted by Forzi View Post
    Now that's something i really saw strange. Lotus had LOADS of sparks constantly around the lap.
    I noticed that as well and wondered what was going on, he was light on fuel and it was still doing it.

    However, as noted, this is still just rumor.


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    Hard to tell whether it's within a gray area or it is in direct breach of the rules, with the auto translate. We'll see if more news site pick up on it.

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    So the cars on the podium in the last race were illegal?. They let them race with illegal parts?.

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    Double standards again.

    Disqualify the Sauber's in Aus 2011 but when Red Bull have an illegal car they only have to change it for the next race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Hard to tell whether it's within a gray area or it is in direct breach of the rules, with the auto translate. We'll see if more news site pick up on it.
    As you say it could be a grey area, but if it was us (Ferrari) who did this, everyone would say its not grey area but black, and we are cheating. Could anyone tell me when was the last time they found something illegal on our cars.

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    Interesting news and I wonder if it will be taken 100% seriously. The google translation is hysterical but there is definitely something there to be followed up and acted upon. About time we had something playing into our hands, so hope the FIA sorts it before Shanghai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massimo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom Hearts View Post
    So the cars on the podium in the last race were illegal?. They let them race with illegal parts?.
    And the winner from the first race Melbourne !.........Kimi
    And the third place Red Bull of ..............................Mr.Sporty Vettel

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    So basicly we are the only legal front runner now? Ban them! Ban them all!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyss4k View Post
    So basicly we are the only legal front runner now? Ban them! Ban them all!!!
    FA won in Aus and Felipe won in Sepang is how I see it. If true, disappointed with Todt.,
    ....

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    If that is true, the next step is the proper reaction to penalize them and cut the gained points in the last 2 races from them. Hopefully
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    Odd that none of the other news sources didn't pick this up. Got a feeling that this will just stay a rumor.

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    Ma qual è l’oggetto del contendere? Si tratta dello splitter nel sotto scocca, ossia il punto più basso di una monoposto di Formula 1. Questo flette verso l’alto ed evita che lo scivolo in legno possa strisciare sull’asfalto e usurarsi troppo. Il regolamento tecnico, infatti, permette una tolleranza di usura del fondo di soli 2 millimetri. Alle verifiche tecniche in Malesia, ci sono state tre monoposto che hanno presentato delle anomalie e, pertanto, sembra siano state invitate a modificare la parte incriminata per evitare sanzioni al GP di Cina.

    But what is the object of the dispute? This is the splitter in under the body, which is the lowest point of a Formula 1 car. This flexes upwards and avoids that the chute wood can crawl on the asphalt and wear out too. The technical regulations, in fact, allows a tolerance of wear of the bottom of only 2 mm. At scrutineering in Malaysia, there were three cars that presented anomalies and, therefore, appear to have been asked to change the offending party to avoid sanctions on the Chinese GP.

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    Dont allow to change them, ban them for a race, take away points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Dont allow to change them, ban them for a race, take away points.
    Exactly right Rob, then i would whip the team principle and drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX132 View Post
    FA won in Aus and Felipe won in Sepang is how I see it. If true, disappointed with Todt.,
    ....
    That would be a result worth celebrating! But I doubt that we'll see any retrospective penalty, sadly, and just hope that any modifications the offenders may have to make will play into our hands, although I tend to agree with Forzi that this could just be rumour-mongering. I sincerely hope not!

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    As it would be obvious to disqualified them from previous race and to ban them until their cars meet the regulations, I doubt that anything will happen... Sadly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose Lorca View Post
    Double standards again.

    Disqualify the Sauber's in Aus 2011 but when Red Bull have an illegal car they only have to change it for the next race.

    All too true.

    If this is true BAN them like BAR for a few races. The FIA needs to get their act together.

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