2013 Malaysian GP: Race Thread

[stefa]

You are bang on correct stefa, some people on this forum moan about are drivers, for me it does not matter who is driving, as long as we win.And as you said, its all about the GREATEST SPORTING TEAM IN THE WORLD FERRARI........

Exactly! Like in all other team sports. Players are doing it for TEAM! In our case FERRARI is the team, and we as a team are WINNING!

[flam147]

Why are we discussing who is bigger fan of which driver? Is that really matter? Aren't we all here because of FERRARI?!
My view on all this, and how I am acting is that the team is before drivers. Drivers comes and goes, but FERRARI always stays!

agree 100%

[Alessandra]

Sorry




I didn't get it in first time reading ... so didn't saw it as offensive anyway ... honestly: I thought about Pink Floyd first ;)
Sometimes it takes a while

No problem

[JochimG]

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[Senna4Ever]

In Austrian and German media seems to know that Webber will be history by the end of season ...

And I would not wonder much if this will happen sooner then later: Mark knows that has no support within his team and he can only win if Vettel has no real chance to win. So why risk your life for someone who doesn't respects your loyalty and your effort. There was something in his behaviour which told you: broken ...

[shamim179]

Mark made a big mistake for not joining Ferrari. He had a golden opportunity to do this last year. I think he stayed on to prove that he can match and do better than Vettel in the same car. However, this is more difficult when the team favours the other driver. Mark knew this but should have acted on it. I doubt he is gonna get another chance like that at Ferrari when there is promising younger talent. At least at Ferrari he would have carried more dignity.

[Pekka]

It would be cool to see Briatore back in F1 such a classy personality :D

I mean he is probably the most stupid guy in the paddock with an IQ of 80 or so, but his comments put a smile on my face continuously..

He is like a hot tempered girl in an ugly mans body!

[Massimo]

It would be cool to see Briatore back in F1 such a classy personality :D

I mean he is probably the most stupid guy in the paddock with an IQ of 80 or so, but his comments put a smile on my face continuously..

He is like a hot tempered girl in an ugly mans body!

He should be great friends with your boy Kimi then, Kimi can hardly put a sentence of more than 5 words together.

[Katu]

He should be great friends with your boy Kimi then, Kimi can hardly put a sentence of more than 5 words together.

i wish i had come up with this

[Pekka]

They say Kimi is smarter than average, thus had problems with talking :)

[Pekka]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/formula1/a...492752510.html

”Poikanne on keskivertoa älykkäämpi. Tämä voi olla syynä, miksi hän pysyttelee hiljaa.”

The doctor to Kimi's parents when he was young:

"Your son is smarter than average. This may be the reason, why he stays quiet."

[Giallo 550]

Why are we discussing who is bigger fan of which driver? Is that really matter? Aren't we all here because of FERRARI?!
My view on all this, and how I am acting is that the team is before drivers. Drivers comes and goes, but FERRARI always stays!

I don't think anyone was comparing who is a bigger fan. It had everything to do with supporting both of our drivers. It's important to remember that the cars don't drive themselves and win the championships. The drivers do with the support of their team.

[FA fan]

They say Kimi is smarter than average, thus had problems with talking :)

Well you have a point,I mean he remembered that when you go off track in brazil you can come back on track through The support race pit lane but the gate was open in 2001,but not in 2012..good memory

[stefa]

I don't think anyone was comparing who is a bigger fan. It had everything to do with supporting both of our drivers. It's important to remember that the cars don't drive themselves and win the championships. The drivers do with the support of their team.

Yes. And driver needs to have right tool (car) to be able to win the championship. It is all connected at the end

[Katu]

They say Kimi is smarter than average, thus had problems with talking :)

hmmm that's why he has avarage use in language, because he is smarter? first time hear that actually

[sagi58]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/formula1/a...492752510.html

”Poikanne on keskivertoa älykkäämpi. Tämä voi olla syynä, miksi hän pysyttelee hiljaa.”

The doctor to Kimi's parents when he was young:

"Your son is smarter than average. This may be the reason, why he stays quiet."

Being introverted comes with its own demons; however, Vettel, his polar opposite seems not to be any more popular!

[Sianellen]

Vettel drives Horner into a corner as Red Bull chief backs triple champion

If Mark Webber was hoping for a public dressing down for Sebastian Vettel, he is likely to have been as disappointed as when he was climbing from his Red Bull on Sunday.
Vettel, it seems, has escaped with little more than a reminder of his responsibilities from team principal Christian Horner despite flatly ignoring a team order not to steal the win from Webber at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

A few apologies later, and Vettel is in the clear, while Horner admits ruthless drivers take matters into their own hands.
‘He is a race driver, a fiercely competitive individual,’ said Horner of his misbehaving champion. ‘You don’t win 27 grands prix and three world championships without being a very driven individual.
‘If Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton had been in that position, they would have done the same.
‘If Mark Webber had been in that position… we have seen him do the same. Let’s not kid ourselves that this is something unique to Sebastian.’
It was hardly a hauling over the coals for Vettel, although Horner said there would be no repeat.
However, Horner admitted: ‘At times you do not have control of them, as much as you would like to. All you rely on is that they respect each other, the team and the equipment.
‘Ultimately, behind the scenes, there are 500 to 600 people working flat out to provide them with the cars to go racing with. They are one element in a chain and for that chain to work effectively it has to work collectively.’

Flare-ups like that at the weekend have been few and far between under Horner but when they occur they are spectacular, as at the Turkish Grand Prix three years ago, when Vettel’s brazen attack on Webber culminated in a crash, Vettel’s retirement and Webber missing out on another victory.
Horner said managing the ambitions of two fierce competitors while trying to get them to put the team first has been a delicate balancing act.
‘There has been a breakdown of trust since Istanbul,’ he said. ‘Part of my role is making sure I get the best out of them for the team.’
Despite last Sunday’s events and subsequent questioning of Horner’s authority, Red Bull’s record speaks for itself.
‘They have won three constructors’ championships for the team,’ said Horner. ‘As a pairing they have been one of the most successful in Formula One history.
‘In three months you go from winning a double world championship in Austin and Brazil, then suddenly it is a drama and a crisis despite a one-two finish in the second grand prix.’
It was a great result for Red Bull but the order in which their cars came home is something Webber is unlikely to forget.

[Ferrari_gal]

Rosberg, just like Vettel, wasn't happy with being told to stop racing Lewis either. But instead of taking things into his own hand, he asked for the team's permission to pass Lewis and when the team still said no, he obeyed it. That's how it should be. Yes this is how it is done .... not like some spoilt brat does .

[Suzie]

I don't know what to think really. On the one hand that ruthless streak wins WDCs, but it taints your reputation also. Having been a Schumacher fan and now a Massa fan, I'm not sure what's better - someone completely selfish with titles but black marks against his name also, or someone with a clean reputation with none.

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[sagi58]

I don't know what to think really. On the one hand that ruthless streak wins WDCs, but it taints your reputation also. Having been a Schumacher fan and now a Massa fan, I'm not sure what's better - someone completely selfish with titles but black marks against his name also, or someone with a clean reputation with none.

I agree completely with your analysis!!
It's a double-edged sword which only an elite few fall victim to!!

[Massimo]

I don't know what to think really. On the one hand that ruthless streak wins WDCs, but it taints your reputation also. Having been a Schumacher fan and now a Massa fan, I'm not sure what's better - someone completely selfish with titles but black marks against his name also, or someone with a clean reputation with none.

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Who will remember 15 years from now how Vettel won his titles? He just wants to be on top of all the lists in the F1 history books, Malaysia was the 27th victory of his career, drawing him level with Sir Jackie Stewart.
That kind of thing is important to him, and he will try to reach all his goals, by any means necessary.
He doesn't care if it makes him look egoistic, vain or selfish, in other words, a classic narcissist.

It doesn't make him great though, Alesi has 1 race win and no titles, Villeneuve has 6 wins and no titles, and they're considered to be two great racers.
Vettel may win a lot of races, but he's a long way from winning the most important race of his life, but I'll doubt if he understands that.

[Katu]

that Vettel's move wouldn't be such a huge thing if he hadn't previously b*tched that RB should get Mark out of the way, because apparently he couldn't do it on his own

[Greig]

Who will remember 15 years from now how Vettel won his titles?

People still remember how MS won in 94

[Alessandra]

Christian Horner is condemned for poor management out of his own mouth saying that one member of his team was “out of control” – Vettel.
Everybody else was complying with the team’s order, including Webber.

To add insult to injury Vettel issued his own order “Get him (!) out of the way”, which appeared to be received in stunned silence by the pit wall and no attempt to explain their thinking ( cf. Brawn to Rosberg “I want to bring both cars home” ).

So, the race was won by someone who did not comply with his team’s order. The race was lost by someone who did.
I don’t know how RB can look Mark Webber in the eye.

[Dino]

JV: Look at what happened to my father

Jacques Villeneuve has slammed Sebastian Vettel's "stupid" behaviour at Sepang, saying it was a similar move that led to his father's death.

Vettel ignored team orders in the Malaysian GP to steal the victory from team-mate Mark Webber, a move that angered not only the Aussie but other F1 personalities.

"His behaviour was stupid," Motorsport Aktuell reports JV as having told Auto Bild Motorsport. "Such negative energy does not help the team.

"If Seb now once again needs help from Mark, he won't be sure of getting it."

As for Vettel's apology, JV reckons it is "easy to make excuses.

"Ultimately he got the win and the points. Mark got nothing. It was a deliberate decision by Vettel."

However, as Villeneuve knows all too well, some times the consequences are worse than ever imagined.

"The best example is when my father and Didier Pironi were at Ferrari in Imola 1982. Just look at what problems that caused."

Pironi's decision to ignore team orders and steal the Imola win from Villeneuve Snr is believed to have enraged the latter, playing a role in the crash that killed him two weeks later at Zolder.


http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/...d-to-my-father

[Massimo]

People still remember how MS won in 94

Touche

[Massimo]

Unbelievable if true, just heard that FIA found out Red Bull, Lotus and Mercedes' car's were not legal at Sepang but they've let them race just the same.
Apparently the part they call the splitter is illegal, which made it possible for those teams to use an extreme rake
In China this has to be changed or they risk disqualification.
Why let them start in the first place?

[Katu]

Unbelievable if true, just heard that FIA found out Red Bull, Lotus and Mercedes' car's were not legal at Sepang but they've let them race just the same.
Apparently the part they call the splitter is illegal, which made it possible for those teams to use an extreme rake
In China this has to be changed or they risk disqualification.
Why let them start in the first place?

FIA's usual practice, like we haven't seen that one before

[Rob]

Unbelievable if true, just heard that FIA found out Red Bull, Lotus and Mercedes' car's were not legal at Sepang but they've let them race just the same.
Apparently the part they call the splitter is illegal, which made it possible for those teams to use an extreme rake
In China this has to be changed or they risk disqualification.
Why let them start in the first place?

Just been reading about it. Its part of the t-tray, apparently flexing. I go post it up.

[Rob]

Vettel drives Horner into a corner as Red Bull chief backs triple champion

If Mark Webber was hoping for a public dressing down for Sebastian Vettel, he is likely to have been as disappointed as when he was climbing from his Red Bull on Sunday.
Vettel, it seems, has escaped with little more than a reminder of his responsibilities from team principal Christian Horner despite flatly ignoring a team order not to steal the win from Webber at the Malaysian Grand Prix.

A few apologies later, and Vettel is in the clear, while Horner admits ruthless drivers take matters into their own hands.
‘He is a race driver, a fiercely competitive individual,’ said Horner of his misbehaving champion. ‘You don’t win 27 grands prix and three world championships without being a very driven individual.
‘If Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton had been in that position, they would have done the same.
‘If Mark Webber had been in that position… we have seen him do the same. Let’s not kid ourselves that this is something unique to Sebastian.’
It was hardly a hauling over the coals for Vettel, although Horner said there would be no repeat.
However, Horner admitted: ‘At times you do not have control of them, as much as you would like to. All you rely on is that they respect each other, the team and the equipment.
‘Ultimately, behind the scenes, there are 500 to 600 people working flat out to provide them with the cars to go racing with. They are one element in a chain and for that chain to work effectively it has to work collectively.’

Flare-ups like that at the weekend have been few and far between under Horner but when they occur they are spectacular, as at the Turkish Grand Prix three years ago, when Vettel’s brazen attack on Webber culminated in a crash, Vettel’s retirement and Webber missing out on another victory.
Horner said managing the ambitions of two fierce competitors while trying to get them to put the team first has been a delicate balancing act.
‘There has been a breakdown of trust since Istanbul,’ he said. ‘Part of my role is making sure I get the best out of them for the team.’
Despite last Sunday’s events and subsequent questioning of Horner’s authority, Red Bull’s record speaks for itself.
‘They have won three constructors’ championships for the team,’ said Horner. ‘As a pairing they have been one of the most successful in Formula One history.
‘In three months you go from winning a double world championship in Austin and Brazil, then suddenly it is a drama and a crisis despite a one-two finish in the second grand prix.’
It was a great result for Red Bull but the order in which their cars came home is something Webber is unlikely to forget.

Why in these peoples eyes he cannt do anything wrong. Its a team order. Horner has got to take charge of that team. Seb is the center of that team and cannt do no wrong. Fernando hasnt done same, he would hold position so would Lewis, as they are team member and team players. Webber held position at Silverstone the other year. He got along side Seb couple times, just to say "look how fast i can go" but then fell back behind.

If i was Horner i would suspend him for a race.