2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

**Bubbles** · 26th June 2013, 18:32

It's awesome what that guy with the guitar did there, but he should have simulated the 11000 RPM V6 as well since that's how much the Renault can rev. I doubt any of the engines will reach 15K... I hope the Ferrari will shock people, though.

**SilverSpeed** · 26th June 2013, 19:12

This one is very good to I find:

**stefa** · 26th June 2013, 21:36

Originally Posted by Kiwi Nick

I have been a F1 fan since the 1960s. I have heard engines with 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 cylinders; in-line, flat and V; normally aspirated or turbocharged. For years it was common to have 3 verities of engines on the track at the same time. You could hear, and recognize, a Ferrari V-12 coming long before you could see it. The mix of engines was a symphony when compared to the one instrument bands we have been listening to for the past decade plus.

I think it is a shame to make the engine formula so specific. The sport is poorer for many different reasons, including the symphony of sound and the freedom to innovate which F1 used to showcase.

Yes! You are right! I remember it also when I was at Hungaroring in 1995 I could hear and recognize Ferrari way before I see it. As I said in some other Thread F1 died at the end of 90's as sport and become money making machinery.

**radosav** · 26th June 2013, 21:56

Originally Posted by SilverSpeed

This one is very good to I find:

This is great! It will be great solution if V6 engines don't sound right! Everybody on track and at home will have their own soda can and blow into it! It will be something like vuvuzelee for F1 !

**flam147** · 26th June 2013, 22:03

Originally Posted by stefa

It was back in 1988. If I am not wrong engines were also 1.6 turbo.

close it was actually 1.5 L

**flam147** · 26th June 2013, 23:03

ive heard better sounding Lawn mowers than that Reno Engine

**voiko** · 27th June 2013, 03:12

Originally Posted by flam147

ive heard better sounding Lawn mowers than that Reno Engine

My farts excite me more than this engine sound

**Tifoso** · 27th June 2013, 18:27

Originally Posted by voiko

My farts excite me more than this engine sound

*Lou vows never to go to voiko's house for dinner*

**Tifoso** · 27th June 2013, 18:47

Originally Posted by SilverSpeed

This one is very good to I find:

This is fricking AWESOME!

**vcs316** · 4th July 2013, 05:51

Ferrari worried about fuel-saving formula in 2014

Ferrari has admitted it is worried grands prix could be half-baked in 2014, as the radical new turbo V6 era dawns in formula one.

One potential problem with the sport's revolutionary shakeup, according to Ferrari's engine boss Luca Marmorini, is that reliability early next year could be poor.

He said designers and engineers will be grappling with the 1000 degree temperatures caused by the turbos, which is not "an easy matter to deal with".

On top of that, the new rules limit each driver to just 5 engines for the whole season, down from 8 at present.

"It will be difficult to run the season without issues," said Marmorini, "considering we are talking about four to five thousand kilometres per unit which is almost double what we are doing right now."

Even more of a worry, he added, is the new rule limiting cars to just 100kg of fuel per race, which could force drivers to save fuel whilst battling for position.

"Ferrari feels this could be a danger," said Marmorini.

"We like formula one to consider efficiency, but we don't like formula one to be a sport where you are cruising for 50 per cent of the laps."

**stefa** · 4th July 2013, 08:10

Originally Posted by vcs316

Ferrari worried about fuel-saving formula in 2014

Ferrari has admitted it is worried grands prix could be half-baked in 2014, as the radical new turbo V6 era dawns in formula one.

One potential problem with the sport's revolutionary shakeup, according to Ferrari's engine boss Luca Marmorini, is that reliability early next year could be poor.

He said designers and engineers will be grappling with the 1000 degree temperatures caused by the turbos, which is not "an easy matter to deal with".

On top of that, the new rules limit each driver to just 5 engines for the whole season, down from 8 at present.

"It will be difficult to run the season without issues," said Marmorini, "considering we are talking about four to five thousand kilometres per unit which is almost double what we are doing right now."

Even more of a worry, he added, is the new rule limiting cars to just 100kg of fuel per race, which could force drivers to save fuel whilst battling for position.

"Ferrari feels this could be a danger," said Marmorini.

"We like formula one to consider efficiency, but we don't like formula one to be a sport where you are cruising for 50 per cent of the laps."

FIA is ruining this great sport! For years now in a row... I don't know why teams agree to do everything what FIA told them?! Just simple NO will be enough!

**FrankAlfa** · 4th July 2013, 12:30

@ Stefa,

+1 AGREED!

**Kyss4k** · 4th July 2013, 16:12

Originally Posted by stefa

FIA is ruining this great sport! For years now in a row... I don't know why teams agree to do everything what FIA told them?! Just simple NO will be enough!

The worrying thing here is... Renault is not worried.

**stefa** · 4th July 2013, 19:36

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

The worrying thing here is... Renault is not worried.

Maybe because they know something, other don't!

**Nova** · 5th July 2013, 04:29

Fuel saving turbos...1988 all over...Honda will have a field day when they showup.
All Mac has to do is build a good chassis.
From tire saving to fuel saving...doesnt anybody wanna race anymore????
No...Seriously..

**Hornet** · 5th July 2013, 05:00

F1 is getting boring with all this green economic stuff. It's supposed to be the fastest racing competition in the world, not the slowest greenest parade. Recent changes has done nothing but slow down the cars way more than they are progressing. Someday LMP1 will be faster than Formula Budget if we're not careful.

These engine and gearbox penalty is going to ruin racing too. It adds nothing to racing, it's beyond the driver's control to prevent these stuff from breaking, yet they penalize the driver each time they do. It's ridiculous.

**stefa** · 5th July 2013, 07:47

Originally Posted by Hornet

F1 is getting boring with all this green economic stuff. It's supposed to be the fastest racing competition in the world, not the slowest greenest parade. Recent changes has done nothing but slow down the cars way more than they are progressing. Someday LMP1 will be faster than Formula Budget if we're not careful.

These engine and gearbox penalty is going to ruin racing too. It adds nothing to racing, it's beyond the driver's control to prevent these stuff from breaking, yet they penalize the driver each time they do. It's ridiculous.

Each year from 2000, when F1 died, rules are more and more ridiculous!

**Gould** · 7th July 2013, 19:48

We will get used to the sound. I remember people complaining about the V8's and how they would sound. Or how about when the new narrower rear wings came out? The ratio front wing/rear wing width was totally lost and the cars looked silly. Well, we got used to that too didn't we?

Mark

**Kyss4k** · 7th July 2013, 20:54

Originally Posted by Gould

We will get used to the sound. I remember people complaining about the V8's and how they would sound. Or how about when the new narrower rear wings came out? The ratio front wing/rear wing width was totally lost and the cars looked silly. Well, we got used to that too didn't we?

Mark

Still looks wierd to me.

**Nero Horse** · 7th July 2013, 21:14

Originally Posted by Nova

Fuel saving turbos...1988 all over...Honda will have a field day when they showup.
All Mac has to do is build a good chassis.

You are jumping to conclusions way too early man. Those were very different days in the 80's, with very different technology. There's absolutely no reason to think that when Honda returns then Mclaren will start dominating again like they did back then. Judging by Honda's latest excursions in the F1 world, they will have anything but a 'field day'. Besides, they don't have the likes of Senna or Prost anymore. So just stay calm

**Gould** · 7th July 2013, 21:38

Besides, when the turbo's were in F1, we enjoyed seeing drivers handling 1000hp and soon forgot the sound they were making!

**Gould** · 7th July 2013, 21:38

On this we are in agreement :)

Don't even get me started on the stepped noses.

**Hornet** · 8th July 2013, 05:45

Originally Posted by Gould

We will get used to the sound. I remember people complaining about the V8's and how they would sound. Or how about when the new narrower rear wings came out? The ratio front wing/rear wing width was totally lost and the cars looked silly. Well, we got used to that too didn't we?

Mark

Well, getting used to doesn't mean it's better. One of the biggest attraction in F1 is the loud screaming engine sound. The more we drop the rpm and number of cylinder, the less spectacular it is.

I'd still rather bring back V10 if I could. Hell I'll let the team stick in a V12 if they wants to.

**Nick Singer** · 8th July 2013, 13:49

Thanks Bernie! You did a good job bringing F1 up to date. Now you're just f***** it up...
Please leave before it's too late..

**Kyss4k** · 8th July 2013, 14:09

Originally Posted by Nick Singer

Thanks Bernie! You did a good job bringing F1 up to date. Now you're just f***** it up...
Please leave before it's too late..

Bernie is against the engines if I'm not mistaken...

**Jas** · 8th July 2013, 14:16

CONCERN: WIth Ferrari only having two customer teams, and us, (3 altogether) Surley we are at a big disadvantage with reliability to get miles under the belt...

more concerning is that our head of engines is already talking about the struggle to make the fuel last...not heard this from the other two eg Renault...maybe this is why where not attracting the customer teams, and then he goes onto talk about reliability...please god let us have the best engine!!!!!!

**Hornet** · 8th July 2013, 14:46

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

Bernie is against the engines if I'm not mistaken...

Yeah, I think he was against the 4-cylinder twin turbo idea. Bernie cares most about money, and he realizes that 4-cylinder will kill the sport. The track operators were against it too, so thankfully it was gone.

I think it was Mad Max who brought F1 down this path. He also once suggested the idea of a standard engine for all teams

**mirafiori** · 8th July 2013, 14:47

Originally Posted by Jas

CONCERN: WIth Ferrari only having two customer teams, and us, (3 altogether) Surley we are at a big disadvantage with reliability to get miles under the belt...

more concerning is that our head of engines is already talking about the struggle to make the fuel last...not heard this from the other two eg Renault...maybe this is why where not attracting the customer teams, and then he goes onto talk about reliability...please god let us have the best engine!!!!!!

As I have posted before, we have one of the best engine man in the world, if not the the best. Luca Marmorini.