2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

[wisepie]

This is sheer madness (the penalties), it'll be bad enough having failures during races like the old days, but to get only 5 engines per driver is ridiculous with an untried powerplant. It'll be a complete lottery as to who will even finish the race.

[Hornet]

Yep, it's really dumb of them to reduce the engine limit on the first year we see a completely new design.

At some point we're going to start losing the competitive aspect of the sport as it becomes a race of reliability and luck

[Jose Lorca]

A couple of days ago Newey talked about the cooling challenges he's facing next year, and I think Renault Sport said something similar on twitter a while back. In a press conference a few races ago, Newey said that the RB10's sidepods will be bigger because of the engines.



Our engine will probably be more powerful as well:

Alain Prost: "the combustion engine generates around 600 bhp"
http://grandprix247.com/2013/06/24/p...ating-drivers/

Luca Marmorini: "with an engine having somewhere between 600 and 650 horsepower"
http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/2014-era-f1-engine

[Liscia]

Newey's worried about cooling next year's Renault lump? I'm not worried
because Ferrari has always been the coolest, no matter what!:)

[Nova]

You are jumping to conclusions way too early man. Those were very different days in the 80's, with very different technology. There's absolutely no reason to think that when Honda returns then Mclaren will start dominating again like they did back then. Judging by Honda's latest excursions in the F1 world, they will have anything but a 'field day'. Besides, they don't have the likes of Senna or Prost anymore. So just stay calm

Never underestimate Honda..their chassis wasnt too good last time out, but theyve always made great engines. N I really dont care about them..I care about racing..so, what the heck does fuel limits have to do w/racing? Absolutely nutten...Turbo technology..hmm, Im not sure how much theyve gained in that dept, smaller, lighter units mabey, we wont know for awhile. U also cannot discount Reno..they started the turbo thing and everyone followed suit. Im concerned about the fuel thing as if you remember the 80's, the Ferrari did pretty good until the fuel restrictions came into play...thats when Honda really took over.

[Forzi]

I'm not worried because Ferrari has always been the coolest, no matter what!:)

You got that right!

[Bobsan]

hey check this video out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbB1qwhKaaE i found it very intresting

[NickEice]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23493372

Where is everyone who was complaining about horsepower now?

[type056]

James Allen said:

There are question marks about how potent the Ferrari powertrain will be for 2013. Industry insight puts Mercedes ahead of Renault with Ferrari behind. Allison and his clever aerodynamics may not be enough.

I think he mean 2014.But the most important thing is that where his information is come from?

[Hornet]

I find that hard to believe. Even if the insights were based on computer rendered pictures of the engine, I don't think Ferrari have released any sort of picture of Ferrari's V6. Only Mercedes and Renault have released computer picture of their V6.

[Kyss4k]

I find that hard to believe. Even if the insights were based on computer rendered pictures of the engine, I don't think Ferrari have released any sort of picture of Ferrari's V6. Only Mercedes and Renault have released computer picture of their V6.

You said it yourself. Ferrari is the only one who didn't release anything. They are so quiet about it, it's starting to be worrying. And now, if you read the article NickEice posted, the engines will have about 700bhp. The last time we heard from Ferrari, they were saying their engine will have about 600 - 650.

[shamim179]

You said it yourself. Ferrari is the only one who didn't release anything. They are so quiet about it, it's starting to be worrying. And now, if you read the article NickEice posted, the engines will have about 700bhp. The last time we heard from Ferrari, they were saying their engine will have about 600 - 650.

At the time Ferrari quoted 600-650bhp, Prost for Renault quoted 600bhp and for Mercedes 600-620bhp but I'm not sure about the Mercedes figures.

It is indeed worrying that Ferrari are relatively quiet about it and instead we hear about challenges and difficulties. Doesn't spark any confidence. And the Ferrari engine is the cheapest by some margin.

[giodap]

If the ferrari engine is the cheapest why are teams that are struggling financially e.g williams, caterham and lotus buying the most expensive engines???

[Kyss4k]

If the ferrari engine is the cheapest why are teams that are struggling financially e.g williams, caterham and lotus buying the most expensive engines???

Well, they could be dumb... Or we are in troubles.

[stefa]

If the ferrari engine is the cheapest why are teams that are struggling financially e.g williams, caterham and lotus buying the most expensive engines???

Maybe because they believe that those are better than Ferrari unit. Maybe they don't won't to take risk with Ferrari engine, who knows. I am not saying that most expensive is the best one, but...

[shamim179]

If the Ferrari engine isn't that competitive i.e. behind Mercedes and Renault we might be the 4th or 5th fastest team on the grid next year. When Honda come into the party we might drop down even further. These are dangerous times for Ferrari. Even if we have a competitive engine we have serious problems when it comes to developing the car further.

I'd like to think that Ferrari are purposely keeping a low profile with their engine to surprise the competition next year or is that wishful thinking? It might be wishful thinking when you hear negative stuff regarding the engine from Ferrari themselves.

[Samcar222]

Guys, calm. For just a second, throw away all of the speculation, and some of the ballpark figures that have been released from the manufacturers themselves. Do you really think Ferrari of all would show up to Melbourne with a motor that is woefully uncompetitive on power and fuel consumption? I know it is unwise to rest on laurels with a new 'clean sheet' motor next year, but we are Ferrari... and we have Luca Marmorini. And besides, during winter testing we will probably see a blown up motor(s) from each marque - that's the nature of new, cutting edge engineering. And even more, Ferrari has not denied interest in sticking this 1.6t in a prototype car and running it at Le Mans. Obviously it will be interesting to see who has what next March; surely Mercedes will have a good engine and Renault seem to be lurking, but I'm confident we will have a competitive engine on all accounts as well. The doom and gloom in this thread sounds like we're talking about Cosworth or Pure!

[stefa]

I don't know what to think about Ferrari next year engine... I don't like all this silence from team about it, but on the other hand I would also not like to go around and to brag about it. For the time being we can just sit and wait, and hope for the best.
One think about sit and wait and hope for thr best is that every time, in recent history, when there were some big regulation changes, Ferrari didn't go well (1996, 2009,...).
Will see...

[Greig]

After years of Luca Di complaining too much aero in F1 not enough about the engine, if we come out with the worst engine then I just don't know what he will do

Knifes for engineers may no be enough....

[RedRebel40]

I think he meanth that F1 should be free to develop engines whenever they want instead of homogolated engines at the beginning of the new rules. If your engine is slow you are not allowed to improve it anymore under normal circumstances.

[wisepie]

I think we're losing faith in Ferrari's ability to be competitive, whether it's aero, tyres, development and now engines. I've wondered a few times this season whether our engine is maybe contributing to the undriveabilty of the F138, but I'm not an engineer. Ferrari's reputation has been built on engines, and so far they've always come good (think back to previous turbo units), so I think we're getting a bit carried away with the idea that we can no longer compete, not helped by the mediocre performances of the last few races. Have faith, at least until the first race of 2014, no amount of speculation will give us the answers yet!

[Grillo]

James Allen said:

There are question marks about how potent the Ferrari powertrain will be for 2013. Industry insight puts Mercedes ahead of Renault with Ferrari behind. Allison and his clever aerodynamics may not be enough.

I think he mean 2014.But the most important thing is that where his information is come from?

I heard about that yesterday on the radio, I hope it's just a rumour.

[stefa]

After years of Luca Di complaining too much aero in F1 not enough about the engine, if we come out with the worst engine then I just don't know what he will do

Knifes for engineers may no be enough....

[tifosi1993]

Luca Marmorini is the best engine guy in F1, this is why i think Ferrari engines will be very competitive. Also there won't be any exhaust blown diffuser which is a another plus point for Scuderia.

[mirafiori]

Luca Marmorini is the best engine guy in F1, this is why i think Ferrari engines will be very competitive. Also there won't be any exhaust blown diffuser which is a another plus point for Scuderia.

With you all the way, our engine will be very competitive, we will be more than OK compared to the rest.

[shamim179]

With you all the way, our engine will be very competitive, we will be more than OK compared to the rest.

If we are going to be competitive why are we hearing negative things from Ferrari and negative rumors? Why aren't more teams taking interest in the Ferrari engine? Even one of their most loyal customers sauber is considering switching to a different engine supplier. None of these bode any confidence.

[Dino]

If we are going to be competitive why are we hearing negative things from Ferrari and negative rumors? Why aren't more teams taking interest in the Ferrari engine? Even one of their most loyal customers sauber is considering switching to a different engine supplier. None of these bode any confidence.

What you are forgetting is that Ferrari is sponsored by Shell,who will most probably develop a special fuel for the Scuderia's Turbo 1.6.
The engine will not be of any interest to other Teams if not together with the Shell fuel and future fuel upgrades.
Just a thought!!

[ManFromMilan]

What you are forgetting is that Ferrari is sponsored by Shell,who will most probably develop a special fuel for the Scuderia's Turbo 1.6.
The engine will not be of any interest to other Teams if not together with the Shell fuel and future fuel upgrades.
Just a thought!!

I though that the fuel in F1 must be close to 95% or more to what you would buy at any fuel or petrol station from said supplier or sponsor?

And that next year there would be bio-fuel added, but that the fuel must still be basically what you would buy from a petrol station.

[Nero Horse]

James Allen said:

There are question marks about how potent the Ferrari powertrain will be for 2013. Industry insight puts Mercedes ahead of Renault with Ferrari behind. Allison and his clever aerodynamics may not be enough.

I think/hope that this just the British media's wishful thinking. If Ham would be driving for Ferrari then they would probably be singing a completely different tune. Let's first see what the winter tests will show before making any conclusions.

[Dino]

I though that the fuel in F1 must be close to 95% or more to what you would buy at any fuel or petrol station from said supplier or sponsor?

And that next year there would be bio-fuel added, but that the fuel must still be basically what you would buy from a petrol station.

Fuel regulations are very tight as you rightly commented but Shell is always experimenting together with Ferrari to increase power and efficiency.At one point last year Shell supplied the Scuderia with 20 different fuel blends giving more power.

Posted on May 10, 2012

Ferrari will benefit from a more powerful fuel at this weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix after partner Shell developed a new blend of its V-Power mixture.

Engine development may have been ‘frozen’ in Formula 1 for several years but fuel is one area where improvements can still be made by the technicians of the various fuel companies involved in the sport. Shell is confident it has managed to make a “significant step change” with the latest blend without compromising on the previous version’s consumption levels.
“Despite the freeze on engine regulations in F1 and F1 fuel regulations being the most strictly governed in motor racing, together with Ferrari, we have still been able to find a power gain with this new blend of fuel,” explained Shell’s technology manager Cara Tredget. “In a world where thousandths of a second can make a difference, this is a significant step change in the fuel and one we are most proud of. Of equal importance to us is that we have been able to maintain the fuel-efficiency of the previous blend, thus offering the extra power at no cost to efficiency.”

Ferrari’s engine and electronics chief Luca Marmorini is expecting the new version to prove a real benefit for the team’s cars over a full race distance: “The new Shell V-Power blend represents a significant step forward in the power output from an engine which has fundamentally remained unchanged for four years now. With only one tank of fuel available to the driver for each race, this performance gain is a substantial benefit over the course of a race.”

The latest blend was developed at Shell’s research base in Chester in the UK and is one of around 20 new blends that the firm will submit to Ferrari per year, with any new mixture subsequently having to be cleared by the FIA before being used in a grand prix weekend