2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

[hrc5555]

I was thinking about new engines for next season.
Everybody is talking about Mercedes engine and how it will be the best.
There have been very little talk about Ferrari engine! Are we behind the schedule, in what stage of developmet it is and is it possible that after all the disappointments we have seen in last few years 2014 will be the worst one?

Any thinking?

[Nero Horse]

No, we're not behind schedule and I have full confidence that Ferrari's V6 turbo will be better than Merc's engine. Our next year's engine has been ready for quite a while now and at the moment they're testing it in the factory. So I really wouldn't worry about it.

[Ferrari Man]

What's the litre size next year.

[hrc5555]

No, we're not behind schedule and I have full confidence that Ferrari's V6 turbo will be better than Merc's engine. Our next year's engine has been ready for quite a while now and at the moment they're testing it in the factory. So I really wouldn't worry about it.

Nice to hear!

[hrc5555]

What's the litre size next year.

1.6 Turbo

[Ferrari Man]

Big step down from the 2.4s. I wonder will we see a big drop in lap times. When was the last time we had a turbo engine and wat size were they then..

[Nova]

Ferrari has experience w/ turbocharged engines. Starting in 81 with the 126 C series race cars.
I think next years formula is almost identical to then. They ran the turbos until the 89 season
which saw the debut of the Barnhard designed 639/640 series cars.
Ferrari also introduced the semi automatic electromagnetic gearbox. You know, paddleshifters.
I love the way the cars looked then.

[hrc5555]

Is there any technical or mechanical concept that can make the difference between ours and rivals engines, or all the engines will have the same concept like todays V8?

[Jose Lorca]

It's strange, Mercedes released pictures of their V6 in January and Renault did the same in February - but so far nothing from Ferrari. There hasn't been any official information about the new engine other than Marmorini saying in January (or Feb?) that they were at an advanced stage in their development.

The only rumour I've seen about the Ferrari engine is that they're going to use an epitrochoidal crankshaft which will give them an 8% increase in fuel efficiency and an increase in power. I have no idea how credible it is, but I hope it's true.

Anyway, I trust Marmorini and his team.

[Nero Horse]

Big step down from the 2.4s. I wonder will we see a big drop in lap times. When was the last time we had a turbo engine and wat size were they then..

Most likely yes, unfortunately. From what I've heard the expected drop off in lap times is 3-5 seconds.

[hrc5555]

It's strange, Mercedes released pictures of their V6 in January and Renault did the same in February - but so far nothing from Ferrari. There hasn't been any official information about the new engine other than Marmorini saying in January (or Feb?) that they were at an advanced stage in their development.

The only rumour I've seen about the Ferrari engine is that they're going to use an epitrochoidal crankshaft which will give them an 8% increase in fuel efficiency and an increase in power. I have no idea how credible it is, but I hope it's true.

Anyway, I trust Marmorini and his team.

Ferrari is probable hiding pictures on purpose...
I hope this secrecy means that Ferrari is working on something innovative!

[Bubbles]

It's strange, Mercedes released pictures of their V6 in January and Renault did the same in February - but so far nothing from Ferrari. There hasn't been any official information about the new engine other than Marmorini saying in January (or Feb?) that they were at an advanced stage in their development.

The only rumour I've seen about the Ferrari engine is that they're going to use an epitrochoidal crankshaft which will give them an 8% increase in fuel efficiency and an increase in power. I have no idea how credible it is, but I hope it's true.

Anyway, I trust Marmorini and his team.

Apparently, Ferrari contacted the guy who holds the patent on that piece of tech and they (Ferrari) have gathered data on how it works, but it's not for sure that the V6 will use it. Still, wouldn't it be awesome if Ferrari were the only engine manufacturer who turns up with that kind of crankshaft and a nice power & efficiency bonus to boot.

That would be nice. It would make Renault and Merc look like they didn't try hard enough.

Now, if only they added electrically-operated valves...

[FrankAlfa]

The "Epitrochoidal Crankshaft" was invented and Patented by Thomas Mark Venettozzi. Sounds like he is a fellow Italian who invented the design and Patented this Technology. Maybe Ferrari have the inside track to this Technology.

Ciao,

Forza Ferrari!!!!

[impactX]

The biggest worry is not the engine but the aerodynamic changes. The rules mandate that the nose has to be a lot lower than current year.

[Poltergeistes]

i'm hopeful about the changes, the last big change was from 08 (when we were the best) to 09, but that of course was on aerodynamics, maybe the changes will put us right there with the best, and not like it has been since 09, we've always been playing the catch up game, and it's been too hard on our drivers and pitwall.

[bluesilhouettes]

Reporting from Barcelona, he said McLaren has let a deadline pass whereby it could have extended its customer deal with Mercedes beyond next season."That can only mean Honda in 2015,"
Reportedly, the Japanese car maker, having withdrawn from Formula 1 amid the global financial crisis at the end of 2008, will not charge McLaren for its turbo V6 engines. Honda, however, will surely subsidise its development costs with one or two customer deals, and Sauber and Lotus are thought to have already expressed interest."We are studying (the idea of returning to Formula 1) as seriously as possible," Honda president Takanobu Ito said recently.Lotus could be on the move due to the apparently high price of staying with Renault in 2014 and beyond.Auto Motor und Sport said Renault wants to charge its customers between 20 and 23 million Euros per season, while the Mercedes engine will cost 17-19 million.Ferrari is reportedly offering the cheapest package, with the price tag between 15 and 17 million.

http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...:f1&Itemid=157

Worrying.

[Hornet]

I think Ferrari is trying to get the smaller teams to use their engine so we could have more partners running our engine which is important for development. Rather than Ferrari making a budget Cosworth-esque engine

[stefa]

Big step down from the 2.4s. I wonder will we see a big drop in lap times. When was the last time we had a turbo engine and wat size were they then..

It was back in 1988. If I am not wrong engines were also 1.6 turbo.

[vcs316]

Ferrari reveals 2014 engine dyno test

Monday, August 27th 2012

Ferrari has revealed that its new 2014 engine is running on the dyno at its Maranello factory.

With Formula 1 engine manufacturers Renault and Mercedes already believed to have begun bench tests of their new power-units, Ferrari's head of engine and electronics Luca Marmorini says that his outfit is also well-advanced with its work.

"It is a very challenging period for power train people," Marmorini told the official Ferrari website.

"We are working on the 2012 power train and the rest of the season is very important, but no-one mentions we also have to work on the 2013 engine with a new installation which is big work.

"At the same time, we have the V6, and the first of the V6s is running on the dyno. It is an interesting project."

While Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes continue efforts on the new turbo-charged engines, the fate of independent supplier PURE remains uncertain - after the company suspended operations earlier this month because of funding difficulties.

It is also unclear yet as to whether or not Cosworth will elect to invest in expensive development of a 2014 engine either – which could leave F1 with just three manufacturers for the start of that season.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102009

[ManFromMilan]

Is there any sound clips or videos released yet off how the new engines sound?

[Nova]

It was back in 1988. If I am not wrong engines were also 1.6 turbo.

1981...Ferrari 021 / 031, 1,496 cc (91.3 cu in), 120° V6, turbo, Mid-engine, longitudinally mounted...
88 was the last year for turbo's. Great drivers that era too, including Ville, Tambay, Arnoux..good stuff.

[Forzi]

The sound should be something like this:

[stefa]

1988 was long ago, and I don't remember well of the sound, but this doesn't sound bad, doesn't sound bad at all!

[Nova]

I havent read much about the changes to the body for 2014, other than the noses r supposed to be lower..
Is there anywhere I can read about it to get an idea what the car may look like next year?
Changes to the nose r going to alter the aero in every area, so we may be looking at some interesting ideas.

[Sonic Feathers]

Thanks for the post. Sounds like a mule with a dry cough. As the turbo kicks in there's that flat-ish bark reminds me of Grandma trying to stop me understanding trajectories & elevations. Nothing like the vengeful roar of the V12 which we love to hear Mr Todt.

[Sonic Feathers]

For them that want a nicely laid out history of the turbo era, there's this which I liked ...http://f1-grandprix.com/?page_id=1706 Looks like 2014 engines are 100cc larger than '70's.
I doubt that the engines will have major revolutionary changes but lap times will still be faster than yesteryear due to aero design improvements.

[sreenivaschinne]

with engines reduced to 1.6L, does the cars size reduce? will KERS be used for next year?

[Bubbles]

with engines reduced to 1.6L, does the cars size reduce? will KERS be used for next year?

The overall engine length - the part with the cylinders is shorter, but because of the other crap the engine has around it, the overall unit could be just as long and a bit taller. Plus, because of the turbo, the engine needs more cooling, hence bigger radiators, more drag, less speed.

Regarding KERS, it will no longer be activated by pushing a button. It will be called ERS and has two parts - one kinetic part (like KERS) and one thermal part to produce energy from heat in some way I don't know.

The ERS will be used automatically for 33 seconds around a lap to fill the gaps in the torque curve, so all the driver needs to do is push the throttle and the engine map will do the rest.

Oh, did I mention the overall engine with the ERS systems will be much heavier than the current units?

Talk about a waste of money - spend hundreds of millions to go slower.

[Dino]

Talk about a waste of money - spend hundreds of millions to go slower.

Quite a lot slower,like 5 seconds a lap slower...............GP2 territory........unbeleivable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nova]

Appears no one has a clue what the cars will look like, looks like all of
the mftr's are keeping things top secret. With all of the safety features F1
has, Im not sure the cars can be much smaller. I hope they keep the
airboxes...love those.