2014 Regulations.(engine/aero etc etc)

[hrc5555]

The use of the Exhaust Gases are very limited next year. The rules move the Exhaust exit location much further away from the floor and further to the rear of the rear wing for it to be useful. The Rules have also removed the lower Wing (bridge element). The Front Wing have been much reduced as well. The nose has also been lowered. Overall grip will be obviously impotant but there are now limitations on the number of areas to exploit. I think that Engine Mapping and Engine Cooling will be the big issues next year.

The biggest problem will be the fuel consumption and reliability, if we master that than we have one hand on title...

[Jas]

WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR!!!

Fire during Mercedes AMG F1turbo engine test:

The Northamptonshire fire department revealed on its Twitter feed that it had been called to Mercedes' Brixworth engine facility following an incident.

It said: "Incident 25/11/13 21:56 Turbo unit on test engine involved in fire. ‪#‎Brixworth‬".

Although the description sounded dramatic, a Mercedes spokesman has confirmed that normal procedure is for the fire brigade to be called when any incident takes place.

The spokesman said that the fire was caused by an oil leak, but that the dyno was not damaged and work has not been held up as the facility was running as normal on Tuesday.

[Hornet]

Would have been nice if the fire was caused by the Merc V6 engine blowing up

[Nova]

The biggest problem will be the fuel consumption and reliability, if we master that than we have one hand on title...

Mabey someone can enlighten me, but I dont see how its possible for any engine mftr to run full blown
race distances on that amount of fuel and still go bells out...
Then again, I am a tad slow at times...

[hrc5555]

Mabey someone can enlighten me, but I dont see how its possible for any engine mftr to run full blown
race distances on that amount of fuel and still go bells out...
Then again, I am a tad slow at times...

Technology makes miracles.

[Nova]

Technology makes miracles.

We shall see....

[Hornet]

Mabey someone can enlighten me, but I dont see how its possible for any engine mftr to run full blown
race distances on that amount of fuel and still go bells out...
Then again, I am a tad slow at times...

Although the allowed RPM is 15k RPM if I recalled correctly, the engines are expected to run at lower RPM. By using turbo, it forces more air into the engine and allow each combustion to produce more energy. Maybe 100kg is still not enough, we have to wait and see. But the more efficient engine will be able to use the turbo to create a more efficient combustion hence producing more energy from the same amount of fuel burn.

[hrc5555]

Although the allowed RPM is 15k RPM if I recalled correctly, the engines are expected to run at lower RPM. By using turbo, it forces more air into the engine and allow each combustion to produce more energy. Maybe 100kg is still not enough, we have to wait and see. But the more efficient engine will be able to use the turbo to create a more efficient combustion hence producing more energy from the same amount of fuel burn.

I agree. And would like to add one small but important detail- Shell!
It will be very important to have the best quality of oil (to deal with extremely high temperatures in engine, turbo, gearbox...) and fuel so we can have efficient fuel consumption.

[vcs316]

Mercedes F1 engine caught fire on a test bench

A fire this week was not the first incident at Brixworth, as Mercedes develops its turbo V6 engine for 2014. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that the fire brigade was called to the German manufacturer's Northamptonshire headquarters on Monday evening after an F1 engine caught fire on a test bench.

Mercedes said there was no significant damage, and that the fire department was only summoned as a precaution. But Auto Motor und Sport correspondent Michael Schmidt said that the development of the Mercedes turbo has been troublesome, with other incidents having also occurred recently. (GMM)

[stefa]

Mercedes F1 engine caught fire on a test bench

A fire this week was not the first incident at Brixworth, as Mercedes develops its turbo V6 engine for 2014. Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reports that the fire brigade was called to the German manufacturer's Northamptonshire headquarters on Monday evening after an F1 engine caught fire on a test bench.

Mercedes said there was no significant damage, and that the fire department was only summoned as a precaution. But Auto Motor und Sport correspondent Michael Schmidt said that the development of the Mercedes turbo has been troublesome, with other incidents having also occurred recently. (GMM)

I don't know is it good or bad that there is not a single word about Ferrari V6 turbo?!

[AfterLife]

I don't know is it good or bad that there is not a single word about Ferrari V6 turbo?!

I feel good about it

[Ferrari Man]

I don't know is it good or bad that there is not a single word about Ferrari V6 turbo?!

I am with you. I suppose the old saying no news is good news comes to mind..

[Umbria]

Next year will bring some big changes to the F1 starting grid and I think our chances are looking really good. Ferrari's head of the F1 engine and electronics department, Luca Marmorini is an impressive fellow and I believe Ferrari have a great deal of confidence in his leadership on bringing a very competitive and reliable turbo engine for 2014. I predict that the car and driver that will win the title next year will do so on the strength of their engine. This is Ferrari's trump card!

[mirafiori]

I don't know is it good or bad that there is not a single word about Ferrari V6 turbo?!

stefa if you go to the 2014 F1 car Development & News Thread, page 5, on the 21st November, timed at 22-17, a reply to me from GrandL KNatv should give you some confidence regarding the 2014 engine.

[stefa]

stefa if you go to the 2014 F1 car Development & News Thread, page 5, on the 21st November, timed at 22-17, a reply to me from GrandL KNatv should give you some confidence regarding the 2014 engine.

Yes it sounds promising. But, not that I don't trust anyone, how we can know that all this is true and not someones imagination and what he would like it to be?!

[mirafiori]

Yes it sounds promising. But, not that I don't trust anyone, how we can know that all this is true and not someones imagination and what he would like it to be?!

Sometimes you have to take what people say with some trust, anyway I goggled the gentlemen and he checked out OK. he is the president of the Ferrari club of Denver USA.

[hrc5555]

stefa if you go to the 2014 F1 car Development & News Thread, page 5, on the 21st November, timed at 22-17, a reply to me from GrandL KNatv should give you some confidence regarding the 2014 engine.

How can anyone say that our engine will be good and not to worry about engine performance when nobody knows how good engines have ours opponents?

[Nero Horse]

I don't know is it good or bad that there is not a single word about Ferrari V6 turbo?!

Well I certainly prefer silence over reports of an embarrassing engine fire, as is the case with Merc.

[hrc5555]

Some people thinks that we are testing our new f1 engine in modified LaFerrari car which we can see on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3H6Jxisfk

Would not that be ilegal?

[Tony]

WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR!!!

Fire during Mercedes AMG F1turbo engine test:

The Northamptonshire fire department revealed on its Twitter feed that it had been called to Mercedes' Brixworth engine facility following an incident.

It said: "Incident 25/11/13 21:56 Turbo unit on test engine involved in fire. ‪#‎Brixworth‬".

Although the description sounded dramatic, a Mercedes spokesman has confirmed that normal procedure is for the fire brigade to be called when any incident takes place.

The spokesman said that the fire was caused by an oil leak, but that the dyno was not damaged and work has not been held up as the facility was running as normal on Tuesday.

Ross Brawn needs to tell the Northamptonshire fire department to lay off the twitter tweets before he leaves, that's Mercedes' job

[mirafiori]

How can anyone say that our engine will be good and not to worry about engine performance when nobody knows how good engines have ours opponents?

Have you read the quote properly which the Gentleman has posted on the forum, from your reply obviously not. GrandL KNatv was kind enough to give us some very scarce information for the 2014 engine, and he said after visiting the factory he was told that they are very happy with the engine, and it is performing well, and they said it should compare with the best. He also said this information came from Luca, which I am assuming is our top engine man Luca Marmorini. The Guy who posted the information is the president of the Ferrari club Denver USA.

[hrc5555]

Have you read the quote properly which the Gentleman has posted on the forum, from your reply obviously not. GrandL KNatv was kind enough to give us some very scarce information for the 2014 engine, and he said after visiting the factory he was told that they are very happy with the engine, and it is performing well, and they said it should compare with the best. He also said this information came from Luca, which I am assuming is our top engine man Luca Marmorini. The Guy who posted the information is the president of the Ferrari club Denver USA.

I read it properly, but I am not sure if you read my quote properly...

"after visiting the factory he was told that they are very happy with the engine"- My question was and still is, will they be happy with the engine when new season starts??
Dont get me wrong, I would be extremely happy if he is right, but after another bad season I dont trust this PR talk any more!

[mirafiori]

I read it properly, but I am not sure if you read my quote properly...

"after visiting the factory he was told that they are very happy with the engine"- My question was and still is, will they be happy with the engine when new season starts??
Dont get me wrong, I would be extremely happy if he is right, but after another bad season I dont trust this PR talk any more!

Nobody will know how good the engine will be compared to the others, but at the MOMENT I REPEAT Ferrari are very happy with the development of the 2014 engine. Remember this is a forum and until now nobody has any information regarding the new engine, so when this person visited the Ferrari factory he was kind enough to pass on some positive information, for us Ferrari fans to enjoy. He left all his details which checks out all OK. You said you do not trust PR talk, so again you have not read this properly, this is not PR talk by Ferrari.

[F2002]

Someone sent me a link to this, not sure if anyone has already posted it and what to make of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUO6eW9Iww

Ferrari testing 2014 Turbo V6 F1 Engine on a LaFerrari chassis in Fiorano.

Edit - sorry!, just realized that it's been well discussed in the other thread.

[FrankAlfa]

That engine sounds Nothing like a V12! You can hear the "Throatiness" on this video that reminds me of my old Alfa 164 V6! I know the sound of V6 very well as I use to drive through the Lincoln Tunnel coming back from N.J. when seeing my "Grassgopper w/ Boobs"! I would drive through the Lincoln Tunnel in 3rd gear, revs at 6500 RPMs, just to hear the sound bounce off the walls!!!!!!!! I think you can clearly hear a turbcharger whine sound in the video quite clearly as well. It clearly sounds like a V6 but icould be any number of engines. A Ferrari Turbo V6 for the California replacement or a Maserati or Alfa Romeo Turbo V6 engine. This is a very interesting sound.

[Dino]

Definitely V6 Turbo Engine Frank but if i'm not mistaken Ferrari are going racing with a V6 Turbo Engine unit in their LMP car as well.Maybe Ferrari are using same base engine for both F1 and LMP?
Maybe Rob can confirm about LMP?

[hrc5555]

Definitely V6 Turbo Engine Frank but if i'm not mistaken Ferrari are going racing with a V6 Turbo Engine unit in their LMP car as well.Maybe Ferrari are using same base engine for both F1 and LMP?
Maybe Rob can confirm about LMP?

Is this test legal?

[mirafiori]

Is this test legal?

Yes because we are not testing a current car.

[Dino]

Is this test legal?

Legal and Clever if true.Rumours it was done with the 2.4V8 a few years back on an Enzo Prototype.

[hrc5555]

Yes because we are not testing a current car.

But isnt teams allowed to do only dino test?