Pirelli tyre situation - All discussion here

[brembo man]

The midget needs to watch out for Ferrari at all cost so at least his son's boy White may have a shot getting a seat down the road. Merc without the chin leaves them without Todt. Who will he look out for, Lewis ?

[Corey]

A journalist asked Rosberg, if this was not a secret test, then why did both him & Lewis used anonymous helmets? He declined to comment. Clearly, they are caught red handed, eliminating them from WCC will not be enough. Their drivers can still win WDC.

They could have said the change in helmet was another test Alonso "tested" a helmet for Schuberth back in the Abu Dhabi 2010 track test.

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[wacc]

No new information during the press conference. Brawn said his decision to take part on the test was based on that tire delamination safety issue. I remenber him saying they were eager to test because the tire usage was their biggest issue.

The tribunal should take place within the next few weeks according to Brawn.

[giodap]

Brawn, whiting, hembury and ecclestone...... all in on it together

[mirafiori]

Brawn, whiting, hembury and ecclestone...... all in on it together

I have been saying that from the beginning, there is speculation Brawn has written confirmation from Charlie to test.

[Kiwi Nick]

Let's not let Todt off the hook. If I recall correctly, he knows Brawn.

[sagi58]

Looks like Pirelli didn't need to revert to the Kevlar lining, after all!! All they needed to do was change the glue being used (instead of sniffing it, I guess??)http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107926
Of course, I'm thinking this is going to be a "get out of jail free" card for Mercedes!!
After all, IF Pirelli's glue solution works, then Mercedes didn't gain an advantage from the 1000km of testing, right?
Mind you, Pirelli "said" that only 10% of those 1000km was actually for the 2013 tires, which means it was only 100km!!
I guess, giving drivers two sets of tires during practice to get feedback will put all teams will puton a level playing field!!
Right??

[sagi58]

Pirelli's new tyres will not race in the British Grand Prix
Pirelli's new tyres won't race in BritainPirelli will not race with its new rear tyres at the British Grand Prix following inconclusive testing of the developments in Canada last weekend, AUTOSPORT can reveal.
Formula 1's tyre supplier has been looking for a solution to the delaminations that a number of drivers have suffered in the early stages of the season, and last weekend teams tried out a new specification that replaced the current steel internal belt with a Kevlar version.
If the teams had all been happy with the new rubber, then the idea was for the new specification to be raced from the British GP.
But with wet weather limiting running in Montreal, and the teams that are happy with the current tyres reluctant for there to be a change at all, Pirelli has decided that the new tyres will not be raced at Silverstone.
Instead, Pirelli will introduce revised bonding procedures to the current tyres to help ensure the tread stays attached, but may elect to trial the Kevlar-belt tyres in practice again so teams can have another look.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery told AUTOSPORT: "We are not going to race with the new tyre as we did not get much of a chance to test it here [in Canada].
"We have some internal specification changes - process changes - that we think will go the full way to curing the delamination issue that we have seen.
"That is good from many points of view, as it means teams will be working with the same tyre they started the year with.
"But it is probably not good for some teams that are struggling with the front tyre."
Pirelli has always insisted that although the delaminations are not good for its image, its products have never been unsafe because the tyres have remained fully inflated in each incident.
However, world championship leader Sebastian Vettel made it clear after his victory in Canada that his only unhappiness at the tyres this season has been on safety grounds.
"The criticism we had or I expressed was not based on performance. I think it was based on safety," he said.

[Senna4Ever]

However, world championship leader Sebastian Vettel made it clear after his victory in Canada that his only unhappiness at the tyres this season has been on safety grounds.
"The criticism we had or I expressed was not based on performance. I think it was based on safety ," he said.

These guys from RB are such bloody liars - it is unbelievable ...
Who as moaning that they can't push to the limit with their car due to the tires and therefore can't perform like they want?

I haven't heard any of RBs that they are worried about the safety. I haven't heard Vettel saying: I don't push because I'm afraid my tires are falling apart ... only crying: we are soooo poor because Pirelli tires doesn't allow us to to the speed we want ...

[Hornet]

He will suddenly be concern about safety again if he doesn't win in the next race

Anyway good to know that the new tires will not be raced in Silverstone.

[ferrari1.8t]

FIA sets date for Tribunal

Mercedes and Pirelli will face charges over the tyre test row at the FIA's International Tribunal on June 20, the governing body has confirmed.

Charges have been brought against both Mercedes and Pirelli after they conducted a private test with a 2013 car after the Spanish Grand Prix. The two will now head to the FIA headquarters in Paris on June 20 to defend themselves in front of the Tribunal.

An FIA statement confirmed: "On 5 June 2013, further to protests lodged during the 2013 Monaco GP by Red Bull Racing and Ferrari Scuderia Team against cars No. 9 and 10 (Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team) for having conducted with Pirelli a three day tyre testing using a 2013 car on 15, 16 and 17 May in Barcelona, the President of the FIA, acting as the FIA Prosecuting Body, sent to the President of the International Tribunal a notification of charges against Pirelli and a notification of charges against Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team.

"On 5 June 2013, Pirelli and Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team have been convened by the President of the International Tribunal to appear before a judging panel of the International Tribunal."

The statement added: "The decision of the International Tribunal will be published as soon as possible after the hearing."

Over the Canadian Grand Prix weekend both Mercedes and Pirelli said they were looking forward to telling their sides of the story at the Tribunal.

[mirafiori]

I like the way Mercedes keep saying, we are looking forward to the Tribunal, and telling our side of the story.

[Rob]

International Tribunal
MON 10.06.13, 5:05PM
The following hearing of the International Tribunal will take place in Paris:

Hearing

Disciplinary procedure against Mercedes and Pirelli (2013 FIA Formula One World Championship)

On 5 June 2013, further to protests lodged during the 2013 Monaco GP by Red Bull Racing and Ferrari Scuderia Team against cars n°9 and 10 (Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team) for having conducted with Pirelli a three day tyre testing using a 2013 car on 15, 16 and 17 May in Barcelona, the President of the FIA, acting as the FIA Prosecuting Body, sent to the President of the International Tribunal a notification of charges against Pirelli and a notification of charges against Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team.

On 5 June 2013, Pirelli and Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team have been convened by the President of the International Tribunal to appear before a judging panel of the International Tribunal.

When

09.30 hrs

Thursday, June 20, 2013

Where

FIA Salle du Comité,

8, place de la Concorde,

75008 Paris

Decision

The decision of the International Tribunal will be published as soon as possible after the hearing.

Accreditation

Requests for accreditation must be sent by email to the FIA Press Office (press@fia.com) on the official letterhead paper of the publication or other medium requesting accreditation, no later than Friday, June 14, 2013 at 05.00 pm (CET). The accreditation request must be signed by the Chief Editor or the Head of a Department (specify which) of the relevant publication, or medium.


The accreditation request must include the following:

i) the hearing and the date for which the accreditation is requested;

ii) the name of the journalist and photocopy of his professional press card (currently valid);

iii) the email address to which the FIA can send an answer.

http://www.fia.com/news/international-tribunal

[sagi58]

Red Bull: F1 tyre test unhappiness focused on Mercedes, not Pirelli
Red Bull insists that its unhappiness about the recent Pirelli secret test is focused exclusively on Mercedes and not at all on Formula 1's tyre supplier.
Speaking before the FIA confirmed that both Mercedes and Pirelli have been charged to appear before an International Tribunal hearing on June 20, Red Bull boss Christian Horner made it clear that the key issue for his team was that its Brackley-based rivals had run a 2013 car.
That is why his outfit, along with Ferrari, elected to lodge an official protest against Mercedes in the hours leading up to the Monaco Grand Prix.
"I think the issue is nothing to do with Pirelli," he explained. "I can understand fully why Pirelli would want to test.
"I think they wanted to understand the product for the following year.
"The issue was they asked for a car to be used, and it is the entrants' responsibility to ensure that that car complies with the rules.
"Our issue is not to do with Pirelli; it is to do with the current entrant. They [Mercedes] broke the rules with the current car."

[mirafiori]

Thanks for posting the info Rob, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Tribunal, did anyone watch the most recent team principal conference on sky? Ross was dying...

[F1NAC]

Charlie Whiting could be sacked after this,his successor should be Giorgio Ascanelli - RUMOURS

[Ferrari_Fanatic]

Evidence builds against Mercedes AMG F1

With the tribunal hearing for Mercedes and Pirelli set to happen in 7 days time, evidence is building up against the Mercedes F1 Team, as a leaked gentlemen's agreement now also seems to have been breached.
Germany's SportBild has published a document that seals a gentlemen's agreement between all current F1 teams. The document states that if any team wanted to run development testing for 2014, any test would have to be jointly approved by the testing committee - the teams - and the FIA.

Although Ross Brawn denied at Canada the test was actually "secret" but rather "private", the agreement requires any team that is out to test elements for 2014 is bound to inform all other competitors beforehand. This not obviously didn't happen, as Red Bull Racing for one heard from the press at Monaco that a test had taken place.

Furthermore, Pirelli have said that the testing was aimed to develop 2014 tyres and had nothing to do with resolving the safety issues that appear to be going on with the current set of 2013 tyres.

The problem essentially is that it is Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn who signed the agreement, while he also clearly stated that it was him who approved the Pirelli test with the Mercedes AMG F1W4 at Barcelona. And even though the agreement is not enforceable in court, it severely undermines the position of Ross Brawn, and Mercedes as a trustworthy competitor in Formula One.

F1Technical

[mirafiori]

Charlie Whiting could be sacked after this,his successor should be Giorgio Ascanelli - RUMOURS

Very Interesting, where did you hear about this rumour. Giorgio would be a good choice. As I have been saying, Charlie and Bernie can influence what happens in formula 1.

[FA fan]

Pirelli calls off introducing new F1 tyres before Belgian GP
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, June 13th 2013, 14:01 GMT

Pirelli has confirmed the construction of its tyres will remain unchanged at least until the Hungarian Grand Prix, scrapping its initial plan.

The Italian tyre manufacturer had intended to introduce its modified tyres for the Canadian Grand Prix, but then agreed to just test them in practice before a planned introduction in the British Grand Prix.

With rain hitting practice in Montreal, the plan had to be scrapped, and the company announced it would instead use a revised bonding procedure to correct the delamination issues.

Pirelli announced on Thursday the compounds for the upcoming three races, also confirming the tyre constructions will not be changed.

"This decision is due to the fact that the new tyres, which were brought to the Friday free practice sessions in Canada, could not be tested sufficiently due to rain - and that the teams failed to agree unanimously about introducing the changes," said Pirelli in a statement.

The Italian company will take the hard and medium tyres to the British Grand Prix, while it will use the medium and softs in Germany next month.

For Hungary, Pirelli will take the hards and the mediums once more.

Tyre compound choices in 2013

Australia Supersoft Medium
Malaysia Medium Hard
China Soft Medium
Bahrain Medium Hard
Spain Medium Hard
Monaco Supersoft Soft
Canada Supersoft Medium
Great Britain Medium Hard
Germany Soft Medium
Hungary Medium Hard

[shamim179]

That's reassuring. We are extremely competitive with the hard tyre. It is not out of the question to score at least 2 wins in the next 3 races.

[Dino]

That's reassuring. We are extremely competitive with the hard tyre. It is not out of the question to score at least 2 wins in the next 3 races.

Depends very much on the track tempreture though!!!Barcellona was hot.

[Alonsomaniac]

This whole thing is getting very nasty. I don't see how Mercedes (and some FIA people) can get out of this unscratched....

[F1NAC]

Very Interesting, where did you hear about this rumour. Giorgio would be a good choice. As I have been saying, Charlie and Bernie can influence what happens in formula 1.

Auto Motor und Sport reports rumours that FIA president Jean Todt is moving to replace race director Charlie Whiting - who supposedly told Brawn the highly controversial Barcelona test would be in compliance - with Giorgio Ascanelli.
Italian Ascanelli is a highly experienced F1 engineer who most recently was Toro Rosso's technical director.
But a paddock voice said: "That (replacing Whiting) would be the most stupid thing Todt could do.
"Charlie has the most difficult job in the world, and he does it well."

[ManFromMilan]

This whole thing is getting very nasty. I don't see how Mercedes (and some FIA people) can get out of this unscratched....

I can see Ross taking down a few FIA personnel, with him and Merc walking away unscathed in the end. A sly and cunning fox he is.

[mirafiori]

I can see Ross taking down a few FIA personnel, with him and Merc walking away unscathed in the end. A sly and cunning fox he is.

Ross the silver fox.

[scuderiafan]

Teams block Pirelli's plans to change Formula 1 tyres

Pirelli has abandoned plans to change the tyres used this season after failing to secure the teams' agreement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22894591

maybe SD isn't so 'spineless' after all?

[sagi58]

Teams block Pirelli's plans to change Formula 1 tyres



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22894591

Isn't it ridiculous that Pirelli didn't think to add more glue (yes, simplistic, I know )
before they got everyone's knickers in a knot about changing the tires' composition?

[SoumyaBanerjee]

This whole thing is getting very nasty. I don't see how Mercedes (and some FIA people) can get out of this unscratched....

+1!!!!

[mirafiori]

Bernie is now saying its not Pirelli's fault for the private test, its all on Mercedes, they should of said no. He said if you were to offer me stolen goods, it's up to me to decide whether I want to accept them or not, It's not up to anyone to tell me what I should do, I should know what I should do.

[FerrariF60]

Bernie is now saying its not Pirelli's fault for the private test, its all on Mercedes, they should of said no. He said if you were to offer me stolen goods, it's up to me to decide whether I want to accept them or not, It's not up to anyone to tell me what I should do, I should know what I should do.

to some extent i thing Bernie is right...it was up to Mercedes to say NO to this...they didn't, so NOW i think they are in big crap...i don't think they're gonna get out of this easy...i think the consequences are gonna be pretty HARSH...