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Whats to love? Never ask Kimi about anything because he never gives a damn no matter what it is. You might as well ask a wall.
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Or maybe he's just stupid. What if Kimi's tyres goes and he crashes etc... See what he find then.
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Now somebody please tell me what pirelli have changed in Germany 1st & 2nd practices? Kevler or steel or .... .
Are the tires exactly like the last year or softer or what ?
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But if the wall is right?
Not a fan of him either, but sometimes he's got a point.
Meanwhile, it either says something or just nothing that Alonso, Schumacher and Raikkonen have reputedly spared a F1 podium on five occasions and Fernando has stood on the top step on every occasion. He's F1's first among equals. (PG)
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Kimi is not in the GPDA, so he doesnt really have to go along with it.
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Kimi's a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them.
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Kimi is right actually. It's not going to happen. If the others stay home, he'll just go and win the race. If you don't go your competitors will and you'll get left out, so you'll still have to go and race.
Drivers can threaten a boycott all the want, realistically we know it's not going to happen
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I think Kimi's just one of those guys who throws caution to the wind and would rather be having a large vodka than arguing about tyres....any rally driver has to be nuts to start with!
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Paul Hembery accepts Pirelli underestimated the effects of 'reverse mounting'
Tyre supplier relieved after Friday practice passes without alarm
By Pete Gill. Last Updated: July 5, 2013 5:24pm
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery has admitted F1's tyre supplier underestimated the dangers of teams 'reverse mounting' during races.
The practice - which saw teams run right tyres on the left and vice versa in a bid to increase the life expectation of their race stints by one or two laps - has been outlawed after it was found to have contributed to the blowouts which ruined last Sunday's British GP.
It's understood that the teams first experimented with the ploy as long ago as winter testing with Pirelli aware of the practice but unaware of the risks involved before they conducted their investigation into events at Silverstone.
," Hembery admitted during a press conference at the Nurburgring. "The cars are two to three seconds a lap quicker this year and whilst we allowed the teams to do that [reverse mounting], we underestimated the impact on the tyre.
"When you swap them around, that creates a point with the metallic belt on the camber side and that creates a weakness. We got that wrong and we needed to get it right going forward."
In an urgent bid to resolve last weekend's problems and ward off the threat of a driver boycott, Pirelli have reintroduced their Kevlar-belted tyres for the German GP this weekend after their Istanbul factory produced approximately 1000 tyres in 48 hours.
"Logistically, it's been very tough and our team in Turkey have performed a few miracles, working flat-out to get the tyres here to race this weekend. They've worked very well and we have to give credit to them," said Hembery.
This weekend's measures are the first of a two-step process Pirelli are taking to beef up their tyres, with the second stage to see a combination of last year's structures and this year's compounds introduced for the Hungarian GP just before the summer break.
Both of Friday's practice sessions passed with incident with Pirelli - and F1 - now hopeful that attention will soon switch from tyres to track action.
"So far so good," reflected Sky Sports F1's Martin Brundle on Friday night in the wake of trouble-free practice sessions.
"They've run quite a lot of laps on full tanks of fuel when the tyres would be under their heaviest load. They've also done hot laps with minimum fuel and maximum attack, and we haven't seen any issues at all or no sign of them. No doubt they'll be looking very closely at the tyres tonight.
"Without doubt, and the reason they'll be nervous is because they're controlling the cambers, the tyre pressures to give the tyre a bit of integrity and they've changed the construction of them, so they've played pretty much all their aces. If the tyres started going bang on them here then quite where they'd have gone for the rest of the year I don't know."
http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...erse-mounting-
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luckily i don't have to love anyone. but if there's one GPDA member whom i certainly do not trust boycotting anything, it's Vettel, he'll show up
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I wouldn't be surprised. It seems Kimi has more influence on Vettel than Horner has (still remember those f-bombs he dropped after Kimi's lead ) but he can easily ignore orders and I bet Schumi has showed him some tricks as well.
Meanwhile, it either says something or just nothing that Alonso, Schumacher and Raikkonen have reputedly spared a F1 podium on five occasions and Fernando has stood on the top step on every occasion. He's F1's first among equals. (PG)
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So... Hembrey/Pirelli knew that teams were "experimenting" with swapping tires...
... Hembrey admits they didn't know enough about their product to appreciate the risks of that swapping...
...Hembrey explains what happens when the tires get swapped around...
YET... Hembrey/Pirelli go ahead and bring back the Kevlar belt anyway??
... the decision was "made" in very short order, even though we saw blowouts earlier in the season...
AND... Pirelli produced 1000 tires in 48 hours??
Why does that not add up?
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ohh dear, i never impied that Kimi has influence on Vettel, rather that Vettel is such an *** himself that he doesn't care about whatsoever agreements. when the other GPDA members agree that they boycott, he'll say that they don't deserve the win and race anyway
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Typical media sensationalism with false reporting. The quoted personnel in this article are obviously referring to the Pirelli portion of the test and not the whole test as far as using current drivers is concerned. Why would Ferrari blatantly disregard the FIA's restrictions? Some media people cannot be trusted. This should be illegal!
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I don't buy the story of Pirelli being unaware of the dangers of reversing the tyres. These are the guys who MADE the tyres. They made them thicker on the outside in order to handle the imposed heavier loads on the outside. Obviously fitting the thinner wall where the heavier loads arw expected poses a safety hazard. It's obvious!
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Outer wall of the tire is still on the outside, no matter whether it's on the right or left side of the car. By swaping them, teams achieved that tires are rotated in oposite direction then designed by pirelli. As tires construction is not symetrical, it behaves diferent when rotated in oposite direction. Anyway, pirelli is the designer and they should know it. For me it looks like bunch of excuses...
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Soon we have the tyre test at Silverstone, I bet Mercedes are gutted that they are not taking part. The tyre construction is now different to when Mercedes tested at Barcelona, in Germany you could see the frustration in Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes have a fast car over one lap, and after the test in Barcelona you could see their race pace had improved, with the new test now all the other teams have a chance to understand tyre wear to their advantage. I can see Mercedes trying to muscle in on this test, I know they are banned from test, but when you are desperate you will try anything, like they did when they cheated in their secret test in Barcelona.
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on german motorsport-total.com webpage they issued an article where they wrote that MERC is trying to participate at the YDT in Silverstone by backdoor called: safety! As the tires will be different in Hungary they say they need to test them too for safety reason. And extend the YDT for one additional day were MERC can test the new tires. Brawn plays down the chances but ... at least it seems they are trying to get a better position ...
LInk --> Google Translate will help for the rest ...
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Well that does not surprise me, when Ross Brawn was asked why did you take part in the test in Barcelona, he said Pirelli were struggling with there tyres and had safety concerns to, so for the good of the sport we helped them to understand the tyres better, and we as a team did not learn anything from this test. Yeah and the POPE will drive for Ferrari next year. The thing is one of the main reasons Lewis Hamilton left Mclaren, because he said he was fed up of doing sponsorship and corporate stuff, but he was happy to spend 3 days helping Pirelli. come to GRIPS with its tyres
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Yeah and the POPE will drive for Ferrari next year.
Well the last Ferrari enzo 2004 model was built and donated to the Vatican,so never say never
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FIA has published regulations for the tests in Silverstone
a) only 3 day testing --> therefore Merc not allowed to participate
b) only drives who haven't participated more than 2 races are allowed to test new components BUT according to motorsport-total.com there is a hole where when the new parts are put on the car in the morning for young test driver they do not need to be removed in the afternoon when a other driver takes over ... but the component must then be all day on the car ... so no on/off/on/off for comparing ...
c) Pirelli allowed to give (each) team extra 5 set of tires for testing
d) one construction set of tire will be available: 2012 construction with 2013 surface (hard, medium & soft)
"If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.
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Anyone knows in Germany GP last weekend, what compound was used? Was it 2012 compound?
I'm hoping the new tires with 2013 compound will better suit us again
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Or the other way around: what doesn't fit yet will be fit ...
I expressed that in the Germany Race Thread: as the new tires seems to be more stable and reliable I hope we have no technical limitation to take 'em more harder and be less gentle ... As RBs as shown that you can be quick for one single lap as for long run ...
"If I was driving for Red Bull [from 2008] probably I would have more championships, but because they were dominating between 2010 and 2014 probably I would never have driven for Ferrari. I am very happy and very proud to drive for Ferrari, all my time there.
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Just as I was starting to like Hamilton....
Not testing new F1 tyres unfair on Mercedes, says Hamilton
Lewis Hamilton believes Mercedes should not have to head into the Hungarian Grand Prix weekend racing on tyres it has never tested.
Mercedes has been banned from taking part in the forthcoming young driver test as a punishment for illegally running its 2013 car during a Pirelli test at Barcelona earlier this year.
Its absence means that it will be the only outfit not able to try out the new Pirelli tyres at Silverstone ahead of the next race at the Hungaroring.
Although Mercedes has enquired about the possibility of getting some running on the new tyres at Silverstone, such a go-ahead is believed to be unlikely.
"I don't know if people fully appreciate how big a negative it is for us not doing the test," said Hamilton.
"We're going to go to Hungary when other people have run different ride heights and tested different pressures, and got their car ready for a long run.
"We won't have any of that information, so we're going to go into it blind.
"We shouldn't be in this position in the sport but that's the way it is."
When asked if he felt hard done by because of the young driver test ban, Hamilton said: "I'm not saying I'm hard done by.
"I'm just saying in a sport everything should just be equal, you shouldn't be going to races like that. But that's the way it is."
Mercedes is still awaiting clarification from the FIA about the exact plans for the young driver test, and whether there is any scope for it to be allowed to run because the test is no longer just restricted to rising stars.
Source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108690
Is he serious? He's whining about things being unfair and how things should be equal? He wasn't so worried about testing equality when he was prancing around Barcelona throughout the secret test. What a joke...
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Hey Lewis, all I have to say to you and Merc is this: "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time." ...so SHUSSHHH!!!"We're going to go to Hungary when other people have run different ride heights and tested different pressures, and got their car ready for a long run.
"We won't have any of that information, so we're going to go into it blind.
"We shouldn't be in this position in the sport but that's the way it is."
It would be beyond ridiculous if FIA would let Merc take part of that YDT, but I'm sure they won't.
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Anyone know the schedule for Silverstone YDT ? Which youngsters and which race driver(s) will pilot F138
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