Webber quits F1

[Alonsomaniac]

I'm happy to see Mark leave RB, but certainly not happy to see him leave F1.

[FA fan]

he can't, his team screws him all the time

Well if I were him,I would probably slow down pretending to have a car problem,wait for vettel to complete his lap,and as soon as vettel comes closer,screw his happiness

[Katu]

Well if I were him,I would probably slow down pretending to have a car problem,wait for vettel to complete his lap,and as soon as vettel comes closer,screw his happiness

if i were Mark, i would pretend brainfade moments, Vettel has had pleanty of those while being around Mark, Turkey 2010 pops into my mind

[Greig]

Love how Webber plays the victim at Red Bull, yet signed contract after contract....

[Forzi]

Love how Webber plays the victim at Red Bull, yet signed contract after contract....

Well, how he's playing the victim here? Rather sure the contract didn't include the car having problems so often (lets face it, it was SO MANY times compared to Vettels VERY few), Vettel overtaking by not listening to the teams orders. But he didn't abuse any of this to look like a victim, just answered that he wouldn't miss Vettel, which in my point of view is more than reasonable. Him signing those contracts so he would almost guaranteed have a championship contender car, with no contract points so he would have to be second fiddle from the start is also more than reasonable thing to do. All he ever said against RBR was against Marco, which were i'd still say not close enough to what he should have said, and against Vettel, which was also fair.

Don't get me wrong, i'm no Webber fan, far from it and i wouldn't even welcome him in Ferrari instead of our drivers, but i never really noticed his remarks to look like a victim, just saw a person persistently wanting to win a WDC in a team that struggles to give him a reliable car and reliability in his team mates actions. Didn't notice where he actually stated being hated, given not the same car, treated overall badly without reasoning for the statement. Many people just came to the conclusion of him being a victim from seeing what happened to him, as did Clarckson, whose small remarks gave the whole feel of him being the victim in the show.

[Greig]

Was not speaking about Top Gear interview, just his whole general "they are not fair." attitude he has had in his time at Red Bull.

[Forzi]

Was not speaking about Top Gear interview, just his whole general "they are not fair." attitude he has had in his time at Red Bull.

Well, as i said, didn't notice his efforts to make him look as a victim or statements that he thinks it's unfair. Mainly fan observations. Usually noticed him being passive and not optimistic when talking about Seb and the car problems, but wouldn't call it "trying to play the victim" in any way. He has more than enough reasoning to not be optimistic and really happy with the team and how it's going, but to be honest, he's usually avoiding to talk about it and make any unpleasant statements as some others drivers like to do. Can recall numerous people calling him a real sportsman and a gentleman.

Sorry Greig, don't agree with your point of view

[Greig]

So he never had a little whinge at Silverstone? not bad for a no2 driver, then signed a new deal....

[Forzi]

So he never had a little whinge at Silverstone? not bad for a no2 driver, then signed a new deal....

That's why i pointed out "without a reason". He had reasoning for that statement, they took his FW there as i recall, correct? Just dissagreeing that he's constantly trying to look like the victim or constantly has an attitude to talk like that, just for the sake of looking like that without true reasoning. Rather sure he didn't sign up for a faulty car and a uncontrolable team mate. If he did sign for it, then yeah, i take your point of view, but now, i call his outburst in Silverstone anger, not victimising himself. He was rightfully angry then and decided to give it another shot and go for another year for the WDC.

[Greig]

Well I think he has portrayed his time at Red Bull as always up against the team being there for Seb.

[Forzi]

Well I think he has portrayed his time at Red Bull as always up against the team being there for Seb.

Well i'd drop that in to the opinion category. Can't say i noticed that much, you might think otherwise. I accept that

I mean we can't know what Webber was thinking. I'd say he handled everything without trying to make himself the victim here.

Guess lets agree to disagree.

[ManFromMilan]

Well I think he has portrayed his time at Red Bull as always up against the team being there for Seb.

I don't really blame him. Not that i rate him better than Vettel over a season, but he is fast, just some of his bad luck and the continuous nature there off really do seem to be to much to just be a coincidence. Might not be sabotage, just a little less quality control on his side of the garage, who knows.

[brembo man]

Austria 2002! So what your getting paid to let him pass! Vettel's move on Webber was worse. Even the team was willing to let Webber have his day.

[wisepie]

Well I think he has portrayed his time at Red Bull as always up against the team being there for Seb.

Surely Greig, this is how Felipe must feel too, although he never whinges about it.

[Katu]

Surely Greig, this is how Felipe must feel too, although he never whinges about it.

oh really? how about team being on his side every time he has his midseason form loss, how much they keep on supporting him? wow Felipe must feel really abandoned there

[FA fan]

Well i think since mark decided to quit,he will never get the same car like vettel,or atleast not the same attention to details,I.e Kers failure,bad strategy..etc..etc.. As long as the team knows he would be close to vettel,they will compromise his race!

[impactX]

I remember Vettel taking Webber's front wing when they were both title contenders and Vettel ended up crashing out and that was pure karma.

[brembo man]

Surely Greig, this is how Felipe must feel too, although he never whinges about it.

Well said ! No whinging at all from Massa. He just keeps being patient waiting for a better ride. You are right on the money there, he has the patience of a Saint! Even Alonso cracked under the pressure, rightfiully so. I cringe at the thought of some enexpierienced rookie taking Massa's place just when and if Ferrari get's the car right. I feel everyone will be starting from scratch next year with the turbo engines. Massa deserves a shot at that next year for sure. And even though this year it didn't happen, Massa will " Let Alonso pass". A tough pill to swallow !

[FA fan]

I remember Vettel taking Webber's front wing when they were both title contenders and Vettel ended up crashing out and that was pure karma.

True! Even in Germany when webbers tyre hit the poor camera guy,that wasn't intentional! But to slow webber so he doesn't come ahead of vettel after the pitstop was intentional! Hence the mistake from the pit crew again!!

[ntukza]

Well said ! No whinging at all from Massa. He just keeps being patient waiting for a better ride. You are right on the money there, he has the patience of a Saint! Even Alonso cracked under the pressure, rightfiully so. I cringe at the thought of some enexpierienced rookie taking Massa's place just when and if Ferrari get's the car right. I feel everyone will be starting from scratch next year with the turbo engines. Massa deserves a shot at that next year for sure. And even though this year it didn't happen, Massa will " Let Alonso pass". A tough pill to swallow !

+1

[DIEK]

[fratelliferrari]

LOL I saw the episode last week! "Do you gonna miss Seb"?