German Grand Prix 2013 - Race thread

[Forzi]

Looks like it's going to be loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong 3 weeks here.

[stefa]

Everyone enjoys winning, but you should support the team through thick and thin not just attack them every time a result doesn't go our way. Everyone in F1 has phases of winning and losing. It's part of the sport. Things will probably completely change again next year. Red Bull have been at the front for nearly 5 seasons. Can you imagine what it must have been like for a Mclaren fan during the glory years? At least we are consistently near the front in races and firm podium contenders. We could be Mclaren right now in nowheresville.

As I said, why is every criticism to the team here characterized as not supporting?

[Kingdom Hearts]

Great job by Fernando and the strategy even if it didn't went perfect, it was good, the problem is the car, we need a faster car dammit. What happen with Felipe?, mistake or car problem?.

Vettel is doing a fantastic job this year, but he has a fantastic car too, difficult to see other driver winning the title. Let's hope the second part of the season is better for us and worse for him.

[anuragiyer8989]

I hope that everyone in the team understands tha Feranando doesn't deserve this car...this man is a warrior..give him the right weapons!

+1000000000......

[FerrariF60]

That's is our level. Poor in qualif. better in the race but not enough. Realistic, I don't see Ferrari as a WDC or WCC challenger this year.

sadly, at this stage of the season, you are right mate...teh points gap is beginning to be too big (especially if Pettel wins the next one also) and even if Ferrari will turn around after summer break...im afraid it will be TOO LATE to overcome the points gap

but at least we'll look forward to next year, and hope we'll be in better shape then

[pericoloso]

This is so sad. Ferrari's new slogan is: "We Must Improve"... We've been hearing this for the last 4+ years... Also, the "if we are lucky we can get on the podium" or "we are the 3rd or 4th fastest car" repetitive statements from various team members is pathetic. Is this legendary team getting used to being a little better than mediocre?

I hate to say this but Ferrari needs Briattore as team principal. Ferrari is not pushing the boundaries anymore. Meanwhile RBR exploits the regulations and dismisses "the spirit of the regulations" at every opportunity and all they get is a slap on the wrist.. Oh yeah, and wins!

[Golfsmith]

Ferrari technical/management don't know how to make a fast F1 car they are here for the show and not the sport

[AfterLife]

Don't loose hope. There are a lot of time. We are in good shape. I have pined hope to the next series of upgrades and team performance. Once again great drive by Fernando.

[SinanOzerS]

That's is our level. Poor in qualif. better in the race but not enough. Realistic, I don't see Ferrari as a WDC or WCC challenger this year.

Clearly.

[albert]

Everyone enjoys winning, but you should support the team through thick and thin not just attack them every time a result doesn't go our way. Everyone in F1 has phases of winning and losing. It's part of the sport. Things will probably completely change again next year. Red Bull have been at the front for nearly 5 seasons. Can you imagine what it must have been like for a Mclaren fan during the glory years? At least we are consistently near the front in races and firm podium contenders. We could be Mclaren right now in nowheresville.

We have been supporting them the last 3 years of failure, so how many more years do we have to ensure?? Mclaren at least delivered last year, we have not since 2010 even then we didnt have the top pace.

[FerrariF60]

This is so sad. Ferrari's new slogan is: "We Must Improve"... We've been hearing this for the last 4+ years... Also, the "if we are lucky we can get on the podium" or "we are the 3rd or 4th fastest car" repetitive statements from various team members is pathetic. Is this legendary team getting used to being a little better than mediocre?

I hate to say this but Ferrari needs Briattore as team principal. Ferrari is not pushing the boundaries anymore. Meanwhile RBR exploits the regulations and dismisses "the spirit of the regulations" at every opportunity and all they get is a slap on the wrist.. Oh yeah, and wins!

+1000000 mate, couldn't have put it in better words myself...

[FranksterGM]

Hopefully the team can get another victory or 2 this year.

Seriously wouldnt blame alonso for going, he deserves a better car.

[71dino]

whats your problem? we cant make a comment on here? what fan boys are you referring to?

If he is I hope he takes his fanboys with him.

[Grillo]

Everyone enjoys winning, but you should support the team through thick and thin not just attack them every time a result doesn't go our way. Everyone in F1 has phases of winning and losing. It's part of the sport. Things will probably completely change again next year. Red Bull have been at the front for nearly 5 seasons. Can you imagine what it must have been like for a Mclaren fan during the glory years? At least we are consistently near the front in races and firm podium contenders. We could be Mclaren right now in nowheresville.

There's a time when you have to change things to make things change. Don't you think?

What will be the new reason for being so slow in 2014? You only are a good fan here if you're a worshiper?

[PURE PASSION]

I now everybody is disappointed with the results,we all want to win races and championships,but in the buttom line THIS IS OUR TEAM and if we are true fans we are obliged to support the team in bad moments!!!Even if those bad situation are going for years!!!!!
FORZA FERRARI FOR EVER AND EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

[ferrariboy1]

@hakanabi -- The truth is the Truth ,,,all the improvements that have been made didn't help at all ,,, race after race Ferrari is just slipping up

[Kyss4k]

Build a car same class as redbull? It's disgraceful? Get real mate, they found something in 2009/2010 and abused it till now having their golden age as we did a decade back. Untill the regs change (next year) and they are not alowed to use whatever they found, this wont change. It ain't easy to end a teams era, ask anyone when we or Mclaren hadd theirs. Asking for a team to just make a car like theirs is a lot.

How do we know, that they won't use that "what they found" thing even after the rule change? We should stop with thoughts as "if there wouldn't be Red Bull, we would have won" or "they have something thanks to what they are dominating"... Ferrari has to find something also, but it doesn't look we are able to. The biggest thing we brought since 2009 were the wheel covers implemented into the rims. Now we only have the gilly rear wing. Other than that is just copy of Red Bull or McLaren. We have to come up with something. Blown diffusers, double diffusers, flexi wing, F-duct, FRIC suspension, DRD,... none of these are Ferrari's ideas.

[NickEice]

Imagine where would have been the last few years without Alonso. Massa is done. Get him out of here. How many mistakes can he make? Enough is enough.

[anuragiyer8989]

Another 3 weeks....hope we don't bring downgrades to Hungary!

[Hornet]

Disappointing race, but lets all calm down a little bit No one is more disappointed than Massa/Alonso and the team.

By the way, anyone knows what happened to Alonso car? Why did he stopped.

ps: Glad the camera guy is "relatively ok". Broken bones, but nothing life treating as far as I understand. I notice while everyone was alert of the tire, the camera man was focusing on the car. Maybe FIA have to look into having non-essential people in the pit lane during a race.

[Sianellen]

We have been supporting them the last 3 years of failure, so how many more years do we have to ensure?? Mclaren at least delivered last year, we have not since 2010 even then we didnt have the top pace.

A team is the people not just a logo, every race weekend people are slagging them off instead of encouraging them. I seem to rememeber us delivering last year too, Alonso finished second in the championship only 3 points behind Vettel. It's never enough though, to stop the slagging off. Maybe you should try being a Williams fan like my older brother and still continue to support your team no matter where they are. I was asking a fair question, consider what you really support, the team or the winning?

[Forzi]

As I said, why is every criticism to the team here characterized as not supporting?

Me, as a person that i admit to criticize some, would say that everyone is not criticized who say something bad. Check the comments by some about the team and the ones that are criticized, you'll see a difference. Some people criticize it, hey i even did it a few pages back, but some people act extremely unreasonably, saying that the teams a discrace/the cars a brick/the tema is simply not worth supporting and Fernando to be in. That's just not true and something too big to say. The car is 2rd-3rd, that's not something u'd call a brick car bringing discrace for the team. Fernando joined the team on his own will, after being in a team nowhere near a title, so can't see why he should be SOOOO hating being here. These are the most common comments that get shot down here. That's the difference.

[stefa]

Another 3 weeks....hope we don't bring downgrades to Hungary!

We will not need any. That track hates cars like ours.

[tifosi1993]

Ferrari technical/management don't know how to make a fast F1 car they are here for the show and not the sport

But you know, right? I think you should help them with all your expertise.

[DIEK]

[Rishu]

Hungary can be even more painful. Save your emotions.

[FA fan]

Any news from Alonso problem?? Anyways both guys did their best,Alonso drove a good race,the car really didn't help,and he struggled to pass Hamilton,although he had fresher tyres and that I think robbed him for a podium! Don't really know what happened with massa,but his start was good,and for sure the podium or even better was within grasp,such a shame,and bad luck to him! Worse part is the boring 3 long weeks!!

[FerrariF60]

Another 3 weeks....hope we don't bring downgrades to Hungary!

you know mate that it may be possible that would happen....we've done for the past 3+ races....so with any luck we'll have some more downgrades....bring on the next race

[Sianellen]

There's a time when you have to change things to make things change. Don't you think?

What will be the new reason for being so slow in 2014? You only are a good fan here if you're a worshiper?

It's the constant attacking I don't agree with, not a will do to better. They need support for that.

[Vau9hn]

Well, once again Ferrari have done the usual and totally predicted crappy performance. We need drivers that know how to overtake and have fight in them. This current team is going nowhere fast. I am embarrassed to support them. Clearly they will think this was a brilliant performance...and continue at this pace because this is all they are capable it seems. You go Ferrari....one way to win the championship NOT.

For the sake of F1, wake up or bow out.