German Grand Prix 2013 - Race thread

**Rishu** · 7th July 2013, 15:14

F138 has good base to build upon but sadly traction problems at all circuits hurt us.

**71dino** · 7th July 2013, 15:17

if we voice our disappointment we are called whiners, if we feel that a driver deserves a better car we are called "fan boys"... we are Scuderia fans and we do not want to settle for mediocrity. fact is, this team is struggling and is not moving ahead... we need major changes if we are ever to challenge the Bulls... call me a whiner if you want and call me a fan boy if you like but I wont be happy until we begin to be competitive again. looking through the comments I see that others feel the same way that I do.

**Forzi** · 7th July 2013, 15:17

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

How do we know, that they won't use that "what they found" thing even after the rule change? We should stop with thoughts as "if there wouldn't be Red Bull, we would have won" or "they have something thanks to what they are dominating"... Ferrari has to find something also, but it doesn't look we are able to. The biggest thing we brought since 2009 were the wheel covers implemented into the rims. Now we only have the gilly rear wing. Other than that is just copy of Red Bull or McLaren. We have to come up with something. Blown diffusers, double diffusers, flexi wing, F-duct, FRIC suspension, DRD,... none of these are Ferrari's ideas.

History shows that when the regs change, there's a shuffle in the grid. Been like that for a couple of decades and don't see why that would change now. Speaking of decisive pace inventions, i'd say it's been very few. Brawn double diffuser and RBR blown diffuser. Others didn't bring much of anything, atleast huge points and title wise. Even without these kind of things we managed to pass most of the teams that invented something original in the end of the season.

**FFFerrari** · 7th July 2013, 15:17

Originally Posted by Rishu

Hungary can be even more painful. Save your emotions.

Sorry everyone, but I agree with Rishu here. Hungary could be even worse. As we can see, if it's hot Lotus is blisteringly fast. If it's cold, Mercedes is blisteringly fast. Ferrari --- is just there. Fernando is a great driver, but he can't push the envelope beyond it's boundaries.

**ferrariboy1** · 7th July 2013, 15:17

yeahhh ,,,u say we neeed support would be nice if alonso had support from Massa but Massa cant do that because race after race he makes a mess of it

Originally Posted by Sianellen

It's the constant attacking I don't agree with, not a will do to better. They need support for that.

**Hornet** · 7th July 2013, 15:18

Originally Posted by Vau9hn

Well, once again Ferrari have done the usual and totally predicted crappy performance. We need drivers that know how to overtake and have fight in them. This current team is going nowhere fast. I am embarrassed to support them. Clearly they will think this was a brilliant performance...and continue at this pace because this is all they are capable it seems. You go Ferrari....one way to win the championship NOT.

For the sake of F1, wake up or bow out.

Um, dude. If Ferrari were to bow out with some bad seasons, Ferrari would have left F1 long before Schumi came

Ferrari will bounce back. It's frustrating, I feel it too, but we can't always win. Besides, Alonso has won a couple of races this season, in a dry and normal race. Pirelli did not make it easy for us after the mess they made.

**Greig** · 7th July 2013, 15:18

Originally Posted by albert

We have been supporting them the last 3 years of failure, so how many more years do we have to ensure?? Mclaren at least delivered last year, we have not since 2010 even then we didnt have the top pace.

Feel free to go support a more winning team if you wish.

Also why does someone in Australia pretend they are in the UK? we know you are a returning troll....

**goferrarigo** · 7th July 2013, 15:19

Good performance today considering from what we saw in Silverstone. P4 isn't as bad as it could have been, especially considering the recent resurgence from Mercedes. I'm optimistic that we can improve and hopefully with a bit of luck, win the WDC and 2nd in WCC! Forza Ferrari

**Rishu** · 7th July 2013, 15:20

Pinning my hopes on Spa, Monza & the hot Asian races. Forza Ferrari !!

**tifosi1993** · 7th July 2013, 15:21

Originally Posted by stefa

As I said, why is every criticism to the team here characterized as not supporting?

Because real fans don't mock their team, especially when they are down.

**Sianellen** · 7th July 2013, 15:21

Originally Posted by ferrariboy1

yeahhh ,,,u say we neeed support would be nice if alonso had support from Massa but Massa cant do that because race after race he makes a mess of it

1) Still not clear what happened to Massa this race
2) It's not Felipe's job to make Alonso win

**ferrariboy1** · 7th July 2013, 15:21

truth

Originally Posted by Vau9hn

Well, once again Ferrari have done the usual and totally predicted crappy performance. We need drivers that know how to overtake and have fight in them. This current team is going nowhere fast. I am embarrassed to support them. Clearly they will think this was a brilliant performance...and continue at this pace because this is all they are capable it seems. You go Ferrari....one way to win the championship NOT.

For the sake of F1, wake up or bow out.

**stefa** · 7th July 2013, 15:22

Originally Posted by 71dino

if we voice our disappointment we are called whiners, if we feel that a driver deserves a better car we are called "fan boys"... we are Scuderia fans and we do not want to settle for mediocrity. fact is, this team is struggling and is not moving ahead... we need major changes if we are ever to challenge the Bulls... call me a whiner if you want and call me a fan boy if you like but I wont be happy until we begin to be competitive again. looking through the comments I see that others feel the same way that I do.

**Kyss4k** · 7th July 2013, 15:23

Originally Posted by Forzi

History shows that when the regs change, there's a shuffle in the grid. Been like that for a couple of decades and don't see why that would change now. Speaking of decisive pace inventions, i'd say it's been very few. Brawn double diffuser and RBR blown diffuser. Others didn't bring much of anything, atleast huge points and title wise. Even without these kind of things we managed to pass most of the teams that invented something original in the end of the season.

We managed... by copying them thanks to our huge budget, which allowed us to do so. But we didn't invent nothing since I don't even know how long... since the banned flexi floor?

But I guess working upgrades would be enough for now.

**stefa** · 7th July 2013, 15:23

Originally Posted by Rishu

Pinning my hopes on Spa, Monza & the hot Asian races. Forza Ferrari !!

and who knows how big points gap will be by that time....
Just saying. NOT WHINING. NOT BASHING.

**stefa** · 7th July 2013, 15:23

Originally Posted by Rishu

Pinning my hopes on Spa, Monza & the hot Asian races. Forza Ferrari !!

and who knows how big points gap will be by that time....
Just saying. NOT WHINING. NOT BASHING.

**faloupas** · 7th July 2013, 15:23

We say our opinions,and we dont stop supporting this team.We are just talking about the truth...it is truth that clearly these years(2009-2013) are some lost years.I dont know what is wrong,and i dont think that this car has the power to give us WDC and WCC,despite Fernando's passion and team's efforts to improve it.
Remember that we are Ferrari.Ferrari it is not just a team,is a legend,is the history of f1.This situation must change quickly.

**LightAmaterasu** · 7th July 2013, 15:24

Originally Posted by Vau9hn

For the sake of F1, wake up or bow out.

**ferrariboy1** · 7th July 2013, 15:24

Not saying it is his job did i ,,,what i mean is massa doesn't have a fighting spirrit anymore and for Ferrari its kinda useless

Originally Posted by Sianellen

1) Still not clear what happened to Massa this race
2) It's not Felipe's job to make Alonso win

**albert** · 7th July 2013, 15:25

Originally Posted by Greig

Feel free to go support a more winning team if you wish.

Also why does someone in Australia pretend they are in the UK? we know you are a returning troll....

I moved. Don't you have anything better to do than spy on members and attack anyone who dares say anything negative about an incompetent team? So sad. You do realise the purpose of a forum is to share different opinions? Not just the opinion you like?

**Kyss4k** · 7th July 2013, 15:25

Originally Posted by Forzi

History shows that when the regs change, there's a shuffle in the grid. Been like that for a couple of decades and don't see why that would change now. Speaking of decisive pace inventions, i'd say it's been very few. Brawn double diffuser and RBR blown diffuser. Others didn't bring much of anything, atleast huge points and title wise. Even without these kind of things we managed to pass most of the teams that invented something original in the end of the season.

By the way, the rules are not changing "that much". Engines, lower noses and exhaust basicly behind the car. That's it. So we have to hope, that Red Bull's advantage is in those 3 areas.

**Greig** · 7th July 2013, 15:26

Originally Posted by albert

I moved. Don't you have anything better to do than spy on members? So sad.

Hardly spying, you have never had a UK IP, we know who you are, troll.

**FranksterGM** · 7th July 2013, 15:26

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

By the way, the rules are not changing "that much". Engines, lower noses and exhaust basicly behind the car. That's it. So we have to hope, that Red Bull's advantage is in those 3 areas.

Hopefully their new driver will unsettle der beiber

**stefa** · 7th July 2013, 15:27

Originally Posted by FranksterGM

Hopefully their new driver will unsettle der beiber

Don't think so

**NickEice** · 7th July 2013, 15:28

Hopefully our new 2nd driver will help defeat Red Bull next year.

**stefa** · 7th July 2013, 15:29

Originally Posted by NickEice

Hopefully our new 2nd driver will help defeat Red Bull next year.

uffff. This will bring new wave of comments here

**FFFerrari** · 7th July 2013, 15:29

Originally Posted by FranksterGM

Hopefully their new driver will unsettle der beiber

Let's hope it's Kimi. He won't settle, he will be drunk most of the time. Or eating icecream.

**ferrariboy1** · 7th July 2013, 15:29

Thats what we all Hope for

Originally Posted by NickEice

Hopefully our new 2nd driver will help defeat Red Bull next year.

**Tony** · 7th July 2013, 15:29

I guess some of the members here didn't follow Ferrari in the 80's and 90's when it was much worse... the complaining is becoming childish by certain posters to be quite honest...