Carlos Sainz manager meets with Christian Horner in Hungary

[killer]

I think this might be the post race comment that Luca took exception to, Alonso's reaction when asked if his manager had been to see Red Bull.

Stephano handled it well later in that clip, which is what I would have expected Luca to do. I can only guess Luca felt he had reason to do so.

Media obviously milking this for all it's worth and more. Don't see it happening as of now, but this is Formula 1. If it does happen; it is what it is and Ferrari moves forward. On a side note, Stefano did handle that well. He doesn't look like the meek whipping boy most suppose him to be.

[killer]

If it is a swap with Vettel I'm fine. I think it would be pretty stupid to move right now before 2014, where there could be a major shakeup of the rules and RBR may not have the advantage but whatever.

Vettel and Hulk/Massa would be a lineup I am absolutely fine with. And at least it gets rid of the Alonso fanboys...

Sir, I only wish you and this place here the maximum amount of Vettel Fanboys all over the place and watching the comments here if success doesn't comes

That will be fun ...

What? Like what we have on here now?

[Grillo]

A smoke screen by Montezemolo but...

The truth is Alonso told Montezemolo last year that the lack of development the last third of the season cost them the title and the situation this season is even worse. In 2010 the car wasn't the fastest one but Ferrari did a good job during the season. In 2011, 2012 and 2013 it's been really poor job.

[Grillo]

If it is a swap with Vettel I'm fine. I think it would be pretty stupid to move right now before 2014, where there could be a major shakeup of the rules and RBR may not have the advantage but whatever.

Vettel and Hulk/Massa would be a lineup I am absolutely fine with. And at least it gets rid of the Alonso fanboys...

Go run and tell Vettel to swap with Alonso.

**Let's be careful with the "stupid" word please. That is a direct insult of another member.**

[Infi24r]

Its a message from Alonso to the team "Get better".

He wants to stay at Ferrari but i'm sure he's tired of being outclassed by Red Bull. But now not only Red Bull, Mercedes and Lotus are probably also faster.

[Infi24r]

A smoke screen by Montezemolo but...

The truth is Alonso told Montezemolo last year that the lack of development the last third of the season cost them the title and the situation this season is even worse. In 2010 the car wasn't the fastest one but Ferrari did a good job during the season. In 2011, 2012 and 2013 it's been really poor job.

Not to criticize alonso, but he didnt have a fair few unnecessary DNFs in 2010. Spa comes to mind.

[REDARMYSOJA]

He wants to stay at Ferrari but i'm sure he's tired of being outclassed by Red Bull.

As we all are. Only the rest of us don't have the luxury of saying "I'm moving to greener pastures". We're lifers at this Ferrari stuff, there is no other option for us.

[Grillo]

Go run and tell Vettel to swap with Alonso.

**Let's be careful with the "stupid" word please. That is a direct insult of another member.**

I didn't say stupid to the forum member I said it was a stupid comment which is quite different.

[Nova]

So the question is bound to come up...just who would Ferrari put in Alonso's seat? If it did come to him splitting?
I mean really..thar aint many for sure...

[Kingdom Hearts]

What you have done Montezemolo, we don't need this kind of crap all summer long, the team has a lot of problems.

Montezemolo has the right to criticize Fernando but doing it in such away can't bring anything good.

[Grillo]

Not to criticize alonso, but he didnt have a fair few unnecessary DNFs in 2010. Spa comes to mind.

I think 2010 was a sad season, Alonso made a few mistakes and Ferrari could have done it better too but I think the car was among the best which is what you expect from the red cars.

I know most Ferrari fans in Italy are really surprised with Montezemolo's comments because as you said he's just saying we're in the wrong way, there's no room for more mistakes or the season is over.

[Grillo]

So the question is bound to come up...just who would Ferrari put in Alonso's seat? If it did come to him splitting?
I mean really..thar aint many for sure...

I don't know but I can only see Alonso leaving Ferrari if the relationship with Montezemolo and the team manager deteriorates to the point it's better for both sides to part ways friendly and not hurt eachothers. I hope they talk soon and things get better.

[redkid]

For sure, it is already frustrating for a driver with the caliber of Alonso to be fighting in the midfield instead of the podium. For sure, Luca is also very frustrated on the fact that Ferrari, despite having all the resources still failed to produce a very competitive package. When all these frustrations set in...BOOM! But both parties should manage it very well, don't speak with the media right away as everything will be blown out of proportion. Let us all hope that we can recover big time in the second half and PEACE will reign within Ferrari.

Forza Ferrari!

[Hornet]

Are you serious? What r u smokin here?

I mean, I love too Ferrari more than any driver, but some of you guys here are really blind of what's going on and keep supporting the ones ruling the squad, the ones that are not up to.

Um, in the picture that started all of this, 3 person was present. Alonso's manager, Horner, and the father of a young driver under Alonso's manager. The media completely left out the fact that the kid's dad was there. They only tell you about Alonso's manager and Horner and make it as if he's talking to Horner about Alonso.

If Alonso is really looking for a drive in RB, there will be serious discussion behind closed doors, not at the front of a garage. And he won't bring someone else's dad along either.

[REDARMYSOJA]

I didn't say stupid to the forum member I said it was a stupid comment which is quite different.

Still, telling someone they made a stupid comment can be seen as insulting. Just try to phrase it better.

[REDARMYSOJA]

Let us all hope that we can recover big time in the second half and PEACE will reign within Ferrari.

Forza Ferrari!

Agreed. Everyone is frustrated and maybe just needs to let off a little steam. Hopefully this is a low point.

[Hornet]

I think this might be the post race comment that Luca took exception to, Alonso's reaction when asked if his manager had been to see Red Bull.

Stephano handled it well later in that clip, which is what I would have expected Luca to do. I can only guess Luca felt he had reason to do so.

Hmm, I can't find anything wrong in Alonso's respond. He simply said "not that he know off" which is true. Just because Alonso didn't tell his manager to speak to Horner, doesn't mean his manager cannot speak to Horner for other reason. His manager is free to stroll along the paddock and talk to anyone he likes.

And yeah, I agree with Stefano, the team knows better than to be affected by any rumor. No one should react to any rumor.

[Forzi]

Mates, you really got to get some resiliance to these kind of media jewells. It's silly to leave a team like this before the game changing 2014. Fernando numerious times said he's here to stay and dear to say luca didn't say something hursh here, as well as fernando didn't say anything bad. Just a media knock job done here, yet gets people here in THAT mood where we start accusacions and insults. Is it just me, or has this been going on this year more than ever?

[Hornet]

Mates, you really got to get some resiliance to these kind of media jewells. It's silly to leave a team like this before the game changing 2014. Fernando numerious times said he's here to stay and dear to say luca didn't say something hursh here, as well as fernando didn't say anything bad. Just a media knock job done here, yet gets people here in THAT mood where we start accusacions and insults. Is it just me, or has this been going on this year more than ever?

I agree the media has been doing this all the time, this Alonso rumor, previous Massa rumor, etc etc. Only problem here is the article that comes directly from Ferrari. Don't understand why Ferrari had to post that article but they did and it's stirring up a media storm now, from F1 sites to CNN.

That will provide the media some serious fuel as all they will keep referencing back to that official article that we cannot deny. Stefano and Alonso is going to have a hard time answering question when we get to Spa

[Imperatore]

What started out as a silly rumor has shown some real problems, Alonso's childish outbursts are annoying and damaging.

[Stormsearcher]

So the question is bound to come up...just who would Ferrari put in Alonso's seat? If it did come to him splitting?
I mean really..thar aint many for sure...

Thats easy!... lewis hamilton! He has been waiting for the Ferrari seat and has even kissed and made up with Fernando in that hope.

Having said that, i think this is all media BS. Alonso wont leave at the cusp of the massive regulation change for 2014. Besides i think he 'gets' this team and vice-versa.

And lastly.. i hope he doesnt leave.

[Senna4Ever]

What started out as a silly rumor has shown some real problems, Alonso's childish outbursts are annoying and damaging.

and maybe you can provide some examples for "childish outbursts"?
The damaging is already done, as no expert in the media expects a strike back from Ferrari over the sommer break. And that would be a real problem for me if I would be Luca: the difference between effort on Input (staff + money + infrastructure) and Output ... and compared to other teams

[Hornet]

What started out as a silly rumor has shown some real problems, Alonso's childish outbursts are annoying and damaging.

Your outburst are annoying and... well just annoying

What outburst again are you talking about?

[Grillo]

Um, in the picture that started all of this, 3 person was present. Alonso's manager, Horner, and the father of a young driver under Alonso's manager. The media completely left out the fact that the kid's dad was there. They only tell you about Alonso's manager and Horner and make it as if he's talking to Horner about Alonso.

If Alonso is really looking for a drive in RB, there will be serious discussion behind closed doors, not at the front of a garage. And he won't bring someone else's dad along either.

The man is former WRC two times champion Carlos Sainz. His son Carlos Sainz Jr. drives for a Red Bull team (F3 I think) and García Abad who is Alonso's manager is his manager too. Carlos Sainz Jr. drove a Toro Rosso and a Red Bull during the young drivers test at Silverstone a week ago or so.

[wisepie]

As we saw at Mclaren, if Fernando really isn't happy at Ferrari, I'm sure he would be tempted to jump ship. We can all understand his frustration but with the new 2014 engines and in theory a new beginning, now wouldn't be the time to do it. But if he did, we could always promote Felipe to No1 driver and it could be 2008 all over again!

[Yoda401]

Alonso has been critical of the team on numerous times over the past 4 years and I think Di Montezemolo thought it was time to remind him who is boss at Ferrari. I can't remember Schumacher EVER saying anything that was ever marginally critical of the team when he was there, and Ferrari where is a significantly worse position back in 1996.

People always say the wrong call on the pit lane lost Alonso the title in 2010... this just isnt true. It was just one of numerous erros that contributed to the title loss.... and some of those errors were Alonso's.

Win and lose as a team.

That's what Schumacher did.

[Greig]

Alonso has been critical of the team on numerous times over the past 4 years and I think Di Montezemolo thought it was time to remind him who is boss at Ferrari. I can't remember Schumacher EVER saying anything that was ever marginally critical of the team when he was there, and Ferrari where is a significantly worse position back in 1996.

People always say the wrong call on the pit lane lost Alonso the title in 2010... this just isnt true. It was just one of numerous erros that contributed to the title loss.... and some of those errors were Alonso's.

Win and lose as a team.

That's what Schumacher did.

Any quotes for these criticisms from Alonso? Schumacher never mentioned our performance really? Same Schumacher that had get out clauses if Ferrari did not perform to his expectations? Same Schumacher that was not willing to drive to help Eddie in 99 until Luca reminded him who was boss? People do blame the pit call for losing the title for Alonso, just like people blamed the engine blowing at Suzuka for MS losing his in 2006 while ignoring the mistakes MS made.

[Grillo]

As we saw at Mclaren, if Fernando really isn't happy at Ferrari, I'm sure he would be tempted to jump ship. We can all understand his frustration but with the new 2014 engines and in theory a new beginning, now wouldn't be the time to do it. But if he did, we could always promote Felipe to No1 driver and it could be 2008 all over again!

There are rumours in Spain about Ferrari having serious problems with 2014 engine. They talked about that yesterday on an F1 radio programme. I doubt it has anything to do with Alonso's frustration but I got shocked. They said the power unit = engine+turbo+kers is performing behind the Mercedes and Renault power units and there are a few problems that worries Ferrari engineers.

[Greig]

Well it's not like the engine is being used tomorrow, plenty of time.

[Grillo]

Well it's not like the engine is being used tomorrow, plenty of time.

I agree but the worrying part was that they said next season power will be much more important so you may end with Mercedes and Renault plus their engine clients being faster than Ferrari. I'm not too worried with that type of rumours but this is a key moment in the season that you have to make a decision about the resources you keep working on 2013 and 2014 car.