Kimi confirmed

[Rob]

In 2008 from the Australian GP to the Spanish GP it was Kimi who was the stronger driver. He lead the championship convincingly after a dominant win in Spain while Massa had scored no points in the first two races due to driver errors. Kimi's difficulties began after Spain when they had began to change the car to suit Felipe's driving style more. It began to understeer more and Felipe could be more consistent. We all know how fond of Massa Domenicali is and back then Massa could deliver and fight at the front so one can't really blame the team for changing the car.It's my firm belief that if they had continued in the direction the car was originally going Kimi would have won the title that year as well. After Todt left, the team had began to favor Massa. We all know what happened after they were forced to put all their effort into Kimi in 2009. Suddenly the media was full of headlines like "the old Kimi is back!" People often forget that during his "lackluster" 2008 season Kimi was the hands down best driver until Spain and even after that he dominated France until his exhaust broke, he was catching Lewis rapidly in Britain until the team made a wrong tyre call, he was in with a shout for the win in Canada until Hamilton rammed him in the pitlane and he dominated Spa until the rain came at the end and he aquaplaned into the wall at Blanchimont (agonizingly on the same lap he was supposed to come in for intermediates). Unfortunately in F1 the what-could-have-beens don't count. But that's not how you judge a driver's true performance level.

To be fair, the last bit of that, Kimi did not aquaplane. If you watch the replay of the crash, you will see his right rear flat already. He cut it with Lewis few coners before went they both went off.

[brembo man]

I was dead wrong believing Kimi would never take Massa's #2 seat. Now that it's for sure he did, and if it had to happen, I'm glad it's him. 2014 will rain points on Ferrari, 1, 2 podiums galore! I believe Alonso is faster , more aggressive than Kimi , but Kimi is 2nd best in F1 IMO. We still will need pole pos. to beat Vettel and his rcoket, but! Who knows how the new turbos will fair out. Maybe we will have the best engine for 2014, and the new F1 Rocket Ship will be at Ferrari !
PS; Massa sempre nel mio core ! Salute ! Addi'o.

[BlueEyesKimi]

The way Schumacher talks about the issue in the video and says: "I feel like I have to protect him in many ways" It's pretty clear that this was an issue for several races. Why they didn't change it back for their defending world champion as soon as possible? Because they were favoring Massa.

[Ed Harley]

Sort out the windtunnel, make sure that both drivers have handling that he needs, provide decent car and engine and the team will deliver.

[Greig]

Please, don't try tell me that this is news to you ie. you are just kidding, right?

I tend to block out Kimi at Ferrari, makes things easier

[Greig]

He surely can use the simulator but he has said that he learns almost nothing from using race simulators. Why should he waste time in doing that?

Good to know.

[Greig]

In 2008 from the Australian GP to the Spanish GP it was Kimi who was the stronger driver. He lead the championship convincingly after a dominant win in Spain while Massa had scored no points in the first two races due to driver errors. Kimi's difficulties began after Spain when they had began to change the car to suit Felipe's driving style more. It began to understeer more and Felipe could be more consistent. We all know how fond of Massa Domenicali is and back then Massa could deliver and fight at the front so one can't really blame the team for changing the car.It's my firm belief that if they had continued in the direction the car was originally going Kimi would have won the title that year as well. After Todt left, the team had began to favor Massa. We all know what happened after they were forced to put all their effort into Kimi in 2009. Suddenly the media was full of headlines like "the old Kimi is back!" People often forget that during his "lackluster" 2008 season Kimi was the hands down best driver until Spain and even after that he dominated France until his exhaust broke, he was catching Lewis rapidly in Britain until the team made a wrong tyre call, he was in with a shout for the win in Canada until Hamilton rammed him in the pitlane and he dominated Spa until the rain came at the end and he aquaplaned into the wall at Blanchimont (agonizingly on the same lap he was supposed to come in for intermediates). Unfortunately in F1 the what-could-have-beens don't count. But that's not how you judge a driver's true performance level.

Cool, so why did Stefano wait to Spain to help his favoured Felipe? And is this the same Stefano who wanted Kimi back ahead of his favourite Felipe? something does not make much sense in there. And why would Kimi come back to a team that was a relief to leave and a team that worked against him? again something does not make sense.

[Ed Harley]

Cool, so why did Stefano wait to Spain to help his favoured Felipe? And is this the same Stefano who wanted Kimi back ahead of his favourite Felipe? something does not make much sense in there. And why would Kimi come back to a team that was a relief to leave and a team that worked against him? again something does not make sense.

Who says it has to make sense? They are professionals and according to SD they kept contact even when KR was rallying ie. they had a good relationship and 2014 will be interesting.

[Greig]

Who says it has to make sense? They are professionals and according to SD they kept contact even when KR was rallying ie. they had a good relationship.

Which would suggest if Stefano favoured Felipe to screw over Kimi, that Kimi just did not care.

[Katu]

If things don't have to make sense then common sense has left this forum. I refuse to believe that

[BlueEyesKimi]

Which would suggest if Stefano favoured Felipe to screw over Kimi, that Kimi just did not care.

The decision to favor Massa came from way higher than Stefano. It was the time of the global financial crisis. Ferrari is a big team but they need money too. They had Santander knocking on their door with bags of money. For Santander Massa winning a WDC would be a jackpot because of their interests in Brazil. The crazy thing is it almost worked if it wasn't for that last corner over take by Hamilton.

When stuff doesn't make any sense, there is usually big money changing hands behind the scenes.

[Ed Harley]

Which would suggest if Stefano favoured Felipe to screw over Kimi, that Kimi just did not care.

If KR does not complain about things in the media it does not mean that he does not care. You guys still don't get the Finnish mentality.

In the Autosprint quote Mr Domenicali specifically says that this front suspension detail was discussed several times and eventually it was improved so he did care.

[Greig]

If KR does not complain about things in the media it does not mean that he does not care. You guys still don't get the Finnish mentality.

In the Autosprint quote Mr Domenicali specifically says that this front suspension detail was discussed several times and eventually it was improved so he did care.

So they were not favouring Felipe then, since they changed it back for Kimi. Round and round we go

[Katu]

The decision to favor Massa came from way higher than Stefano. It was the time of the global financial crisis. Ferrari is a big team but they need money too. They had Santander knocking on their door with bags of money. For Santander Massa winning a WDC would be a jackpot because of their interests in Brazil. The crazy thing is it almost worked if it wasn't for that last corner over take by Hamilton.

When stuff doesn't make any sense, there is usually big money changing hands behind the scenes.

And that post proves you have too much free time on your hands. BTW Mia, how's your health?

[Ed Harley]

To my understanding Mr Massa had his and Mr Raikkonen had his.

[Homan13PSU]

*If I may bring back a 2012 TSN meme*

Whatever happened to Ste's prediction of Prost getting the second seat?

[Greig]

When stuff doesn't make any sense, there is usually big money changing hands behind the scenes.

Does explain why Kimi is coming back, thanks

So you are saying in 2008 Santander wanted Ferrari to make Massa win the title to help promote them in Brazil? How would that work considering Ferrari had no association with Santander in 2008?

[BlueEyesKimi]

And that post proves you have too much free time on your hands. BTW Mia, how's your health?

I don't know who is Mia? And that is just what most likely happened.

[Katu]

If KR does not complain about things in the media it does not mean that he does not care. You guys still don't get the Finnish mentality.

In the Autosprint quote Mr Domenicali specifically says that this front suspension detail was discussed several times and eventually it was improved so he did care.

finnish mentality? i thought Marcus Grönholm is the prefect example how it looks like

[BlueEyesKimi]

Does explain why Kimi is coming back, thanks

So you are saying in 2008 Santander wanted Ferrari to make Massa win the title to help promote them in Brazil? How would that work considering Ferrari had no association with Santander in 2008?

They could still have Massa as their poster boy in Brazil. It's a huge market. This is billions and billions of dollars we are talking about. And in 2008 I'm pretty sure both Ferrari and Santander knew they will work together soon.

[Greig]

They could still have Massa as their poster boy in Brazil. It's a huge market. This is billions and billions of dollars we are talking about. And in 2008 I'm pretty sure both Ferrari and Santander knew they will work together soon.

How could they have Massa when they had no deal with Ferrari to do so? I find this theory one of the most ridiculous ones

[REDARMYSOJA]

So you are saying in 2008 Santander wanted Ferrari to make Massa win the title to help promote them in Brazil? How would that work considering Ferrari had no association with Santander in 2008?

Seems a slight flaw in the reasoning.

[REDARMYSOJA]

The decision to favor Massa came from way higher than Stefano. It was the time of the global financial crisis. Ferrari is a big team but they need money too. They had Santander knocking on their door with bags of money. For Santander Massa winning a WDC would be a jackpot because of their interests in Brazil. The crazy thing is it almost worked if it wasn't for that last corner over take by Hamilton.

When stuff doesn't make any sense, there is usually big money changing hands behind the scenes.

So, how did they convince Kimi to change the front suspension, since it seems it was his idea?

[Katu]

I don't know who is Mia? And that is just what most likely happened.

I'm sorry, my mistake, you just remind me a certain kim.. oh this is not allowed to say anymore.. She was from Sweden too, talked about full moon, her love for Piquet jr, then she started to hate him, her love for Di Grassi, then she started to hate him.. But if you happen to see her, give her my greetings and ask how's her health. She also spoke so fondly about Kimi's not so blue eyes she dreamed of, your competitor perhaps?

[Ed Harley]

finnish mentality?

Finnish mentality is this:

The Finn by Jorma Etto

A Finn is the one who answers when he is not asked,
asks when he is not answered,
does not answer when he is asked.

The one who loses the way, yells on the shore,
and on the opposite shore yells another of the same kind:
the forest clangs, echoes, the pines hum.

There comes a Finn and groans, is here and groans,
goes there and groans,
is as in the sauna and groans when another throws water on the stove.

That kind of a Finn always has a partner,
never is he alone, and that partner is another Finn.

And nothing separates a Finn from a Finn.
Nothing. Except the death. And the Police.

End of lesson.

[Varren]

Next year is going to be a brilliant season, I cannot wait much longer - after hearing about the new regulations (and how RB would be taken down a peg) and now this ... yeah, it's going to be good.

[Ed Harley]

So, how did they convince Kimi to change the front suspension, since it seems it was his idea?

You lost me there completely?

[BlueEyesKimi]

Okay maybe my theory is a little bit, I still think a lot more than we know happened behind the scenes and Kimi never "lost his motivation". He even commented himself in 2009 that Ferrari letting him go wasn't about his driving performance, it was about "money talks".

[Katu]

Okay maybe my theory is a little bit retarded, I still think a lot more than we know happened behind the scenes and Kimi never "lost his motivation". He even commented himself in 2009 that Ferrari letting him go wasn't about his driving performance, it was about "money talks".

Yes, money called and talked to Kimi, he answerd and took it. Simple actually

[Ed Harley]

Yes, money called and talked to Kimi, he answerd and took it. Simple actually

If you are not wanted what else do you do?