Red Bull’s traction secret revealed?

[Greig]

FrankAlfa is 100% correct in saying the FIA and Bernie, Charlie and all his friends are controlling all what happens in the sport, and if you can not see it then you must be blind, as for saying FrankAlfa has no evidence to back up his claims, then you and some other members on this forum must be blind. We see the connection of the key players in the sport week in week out always chatting together, and for some of you who say BERNIE HAS NO INFLUENCE in the rules is incredible. So Frank you are not alone I can see it two. FORZA FERRARI....

So Ferrari having the right to veto is not controlling the sport?

[mirafiori]

Well then it is sad you mention Ferrari having right to veto, because I think they have forgotten about it. Anyway it does not change the fact that Bernie and his band of friends have to much influence in what happens in the day to day running of the sport...

[Greig]

Well then it is sad you mention Ferrari having right to veto, because I think they have forgotten about it. Anyway it does not change the fact that Bernie and his band of friends have to much influence in what happens in the day to day running of the sport...

Such as? Bernie wanted Ferrari to veto the new engine rules.

[zoocheatah]

What claims?

Here Greig claims there are some other reports or scrutinizing that goes on other than the event Technical Reports

Tech report is not everything, try and understand that and lot's more goes on away from a race weekend.

I challenged him more than once to Put Up or Shut Up, he did neither.

If you find F1 that bad, dont watch.

So now you're joining your boss and gonna make up things and claim they are mine - what an absolute crock.

Look, if you feel you really have to be a good lap-dog and have your turn at me cause I wupped your boss, try and at least base it on something I posted, not some fantasy.

[Greig]

Here Greig claims there are some other reports or scrutinizing that goes on other than the event Technical Reports.

You must think F1 stops when there is not a race weekend or something.....little scenario for you to ponder.

Monday - Ferrari find a change to the engine map they want to use, they contact FIA to inform them, send it over and the FIA will look at it.

Thursday - FIA say hello Ferrari that is fine, you are now ok to use software version 1.0.1 we will check this is being used at the next event.

Next race, FIA check all software versions (as rules state) correspond with the version they have lodged.

No scrutineers report, that you seem to think covers every thing the FIA do. Teams are in constant contact with the FIA not just at race weekends.

[Suzie]

Why so aggro, zoocheatah?

[mirafiori]

Such as? Bernie wanted Ferrari to veto the new engine rules.

You answered my question, Bernie wanted Ferrari to veto new engine rules, why is Bernie getting involved with the technical side of the sport, so what else is he saying behind the scenes, what does he say to Charlie, Hembery, do they listen to him, I bet they do, you do not bite the hand who feeds you.

[Greig]

You answered my question, Bernie wanted Ferrari to veto new engine rules, why is Bernie getting involved with the technical side of the sport, so what else is he saying behind the scenes, what does he say to Charlie, Hembery, do they listen to him, I bet they do, you do not bite the hand who feeds you.

So the fact Bernie wanted Ferrari to veto them, proves that Bernie holds no power to control the FIA.

[mirafiori]

Sorry Greig on this one you are wrong big time, Bernie has massive influence over the FIA, and this is my main issue with the sport.....

[Greig]

Sorry Greig on this one you are wrong big time, Bernie has massive influence over the FIA, and this is my main issue with the sport.....

Give some examples then, rather than just saying I am wrong big time.

[mirafiori]

May I say I have no problem with Red Bull winning, I say good luck to them,we as a team need to do better, and we will win again hopefully soon. My issue is with Bernie and his band of men..

[mirafiori]

Give some examples then, rather than just saying I am wrong big time.

OK you want example, one of the biggest scandals to hit our great sport in the last 10 years was 2007 Mclaren spygate, after the court hearing where it was discovered Mclaren had CHEATED, Max Mosley said we have no choice but to throw Mclaren out of the 2007 calendar, and at that time the championship was between Hamilton, Alonso, who were both at Mclaren, and Kimi who was at Ferrari, if this CORRECT decision was made it would have killed the excitement for the 2007 season, but Bernie, for self gain told Max Mosley, who was head of the FIA you cant do that, you will ruin the 2007 season, lets fine them 100 million dollars instead, so guess what, they did what Bernie told them to do and that is a fact. Also while I have your attention, Max Mosley said he also wanted to throw them out of the 2008 season too, because he and his team believed Mclaren were still using Ferrari technology, Bernie did not want that, again for self gain, so if the FIA were not INFLUENCED by Bernie, Hamilton would not of won the 2008 title, and Massa would of been the rightful world champion instead.

[dpiatto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVJsFtUL72o.
I guess it was a bumpy track.

[Greig]

OK you want example, one of the biggest scandals to hit our great sport in the last 10 years was 2007 Mclaren spygate, after the court hearing where it was discovered Mclaren had CHEATED, Max Mosley said we have no choice but to throw Mclaren out of the 2007 calendar, and at that time the championship was between Hamilton, Alonso, who were both at Mclaren, and Kimi who was at Ferrari, if this CORRECT decision was made it would have killed the excitement for the 2007 season, but Bernie, for self gain told Max Mosley, who was head of the FIA you cant do that, you will ruin the 2007 season, lets fine them 100 million dollars instead, so guess what, they did what Bernie told them to do and that is a fact. Also while I have your attention, Max Mosley said he also wanted to throw them out of the 2008 season too, because he and his team believed Mclaren were still using Ferrari technology, Bernie did not want that, again for self gain, so if the FIA were not INFLUENCED by Bernie, Hamilton would not of won the 2008 title, and Massa would of been the rightful world champion instead.

Funny then that it was Bernie that got the case re-opened when he received info about the emails (Alonso and Pedro) and informed the FIA.

The only safe thing would have been to exclude them from 2007 immediately and also from the 2008 championship. But with little or no income for 18 months and over 1,000 employees, their situation would have been dire. A ban would also have destroyed the great championship battle which was going on between Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Raikkonen.
I was for a ban. I understood the consequences but I believe in the old legal maxim "hard cases make bad law". But I was outvoted (so much for the accusations of dictatorship) and the council went for a very large ($100 million) fine instead.

The penalty was decided by a vote, not by Bernie or Max.

[Alessandra]

OK you want example, one of the biggest scandals to hit our great sport in the last 10 years was 2007 Mclaren spygate, after the court hearing where it was discovered Mclaren had CHEATED, Max Mosley said we have no choice but to throw Mclaren out of the 2007 calendar, and at that time the championship was between Hamilton, Alonso, who were both at Mclaren, and Kimi who was at Ferrari, if this CORRECT decision was made it would have killed the excitement for the 2007 season, but Bernie, for self gain told Max Mosley, who was head of the FIA you cant do that, you will ruin the 2007 season, lets fine them 100 million dollars instead, so guess what, they did what Bernie told them to do and that is a fact. Also while I have your attention, Max Mosley said he also wanted to throw them out of the 2008 season too, because he and his team believed Mclaren were still using Ferrari technology, Bernie did not want that, again for self gain, so if the FIA were not INFLUENCED by Bernie, Hamilton would not of won the 2008 title, and Massa would of been the rightful world champion instead.

In the interview I heard a few weeks ago on Sky with Mosley he said his cnversation with Ecclestone was roughy.............
Mosley: The result of such a fine would be horrendous.........
Ecclestone: OK. Fine McLaren 10K for the offence and Ron 90K for being a prat!

[giodap]

OK you want example, one of the biggest scandals to hit our great sport in the last 10 years was 2007 Mclaren spygate, after the court hearing where it was discovered Mclaren had CHEATED, Max Mosley said we have no choice but to throw Mclaren out of the 2007 calendar, and at that time the championship was between Hamilton, Alonso, who were both at Mclaren, and Kimi who was at Ferrari, if this CORRECT decision was made it would have killed the excitement for the 2007 season, but Bernie, for self gain told Max Mosley, who was head of the FIA you cant do that, you will ruin the 2007 season, lets fine them 100 million dollars instead, so guess what, they did what Bernie told them to do and that is a fact. Also while I have your attention, Max Mosley said he also wanted to throw them out of the 2008 season too, because he and his team believed Mclaren were still using Ferrari technology, Bernie did not want that, again for self gain, so if the FIA were not INFLUENCED by Bernie, Hamilton would not of won the 2008 title, and Massa would of been the rightful world champion instead.

BOOM!!!

[mirafiori]

BOOM!!!

BOOM is good, but checkmate or slam dunk will do.....

[Greig]

Maybe you should read into spygate a bit more

[mirafiori]

Maybe you should read into spygate a bit more

Yes I have read what is available, what I have posted is a fact. These are not my words these are the words of Max Mosley who was head of the FIA at the time of Spygate, as you well know. So if you still think Bernie has no influence in telling the FIA what to do, then you are letting any level headed person who uses this forum down.

[Greig]

Yes I have read what is available, what I have posted is a fact. These are not my words these are the words of Max Mosley who was head of the FIA at the time of Spygate, as you well know. So if you still think Bernie has no influence in telling the FIA what to do, then you are letting any level headed person who uses this forum down.

Yet it was Bernie who put McLaren back in the dock? I quoted max, the penalty was decided by a vote. You can try and belittle me if you wish but its not really respectful.

Bernie off course will try and protect his interests (and the teams) to expect otherwise is not being level headed.

[zoocheatah]

You must think F1 stops when there is not a race weekend or something.....little scenario for you to ponder.

Monday - Ferrari find a change to the engine map they want to use, they contact FIA to inform them, send it over and the FIA will look at it.

Thursday - FIA say hello Ferrari that is fine, you are now ok to use software version 1.0.1 we will check this is being used at the next event.

Next race, FIA check all software versions (as rules state) correspond with the version they have lodged.

No scrutineers report, that you seem to think covers every thing the FIA do. Teams are in constant contact with the FIA not just at race weekends.

Nice story, but this has zero to do with what I said.

What I said was not every part of every car gets checked at every race. Stop trying to make out I said anything else.

[zoocheatah]

Why so aggro, zoocheatah?

People make up stuff and say I said it, I will set the record straight. And I won't back down just because someone keeps up with the bs. And being a boss here doesn't make anyone any better than regular Joes.

[Greig]

Nice story, but this has zero to do with what I said.

What I said was not every part of every car gets checked at every race. Stop trying to make out I said anything else.

But you told me the tech report tells everything checked? which is not true.

[Greig]

People make up stuff and say I said it, I will set the record straight. And I won't back down just because someone keeps up with the bs. And being a boss here doesn't make anyone any better than regular Joes.

Oh it does and abbreviated swearing is not allowed.

[giodap]

Yet it was Bernie who put McLaren back in the dock? I quoted max, the penalty was decided by a vote. You can try and belittle me if you wish but its not really respectful.

I think we can all agree that bernie sticks his beak in when he needs too. Wether the teams and the fia take any notice of him is another question. However, I think everybody wants to keep bernie on side, so for me, i think it is pritty obvious that he has an influence on decisions made in the sport

[zoocheatah]

Oh it does

No it doesn't, you might want it to, but you are not better than anyone here.

[Greig]

No it doesn't, you might want it to, but you are not better than anyone here.

That's what you think

[zoocheatah]

But you told me the tech report tells everything checked? which is not true.

I said the event Tech Reports detail what's scrutinized at the race. Now, you show me where where every part of every car is checked at every race. I've been calling you out for days and you still have come up with nada. You are full of it, and it might be loads of different things but one thing "it" ain't (in your case) is facts or evidence. Swish.

[Greig]

I said the event Tech Reports detail what's scrutinized at the race. Now, you show me where where every part of every car is checked at every race. I've been calling you out for days and you still have come up with nada. You are full of it, and it might be loads of different things but one thing "it" ain't is facts or evidence. Swish.

I never said every part was checked, you are the one thinking a tech report at a race weekend covers all the FIA do with governing the rules, which is simply not the case.

[zoocheatah]

That's what you think

My dog's got a big ego too.