F14-T- Development & News

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 12:45

Originally Posted by Hunkelberg

Based on what we have seen, ferrari's 2014 challenger is just a slow car. But it has to be said, reliable. This says to me that the materials they are using at maranello are top quality.

Based on the latest developments, where Renault is closing the gap in PU performance, I am more than sure RB will smoke Ferrari by the end of the year. That Ferrari PU is gutless. Just look where Sauber is in comparison to Renault powered cars. Marussia btw has done a good job with their chassis. If they were using merc PU this year they would be there in the mix with FI and Williams.

Also, lotus will be faster car by the end of season. If one of the merc customers teams get their act together I assume they will outscore Ferrari by the end of the year. So, fourth or fifth best car of the season, like for like.

but Ferrari was always associated with mediocrity...so it is unreasonable to expect any sudden turn around in form and therefore, you better find some other place for consolation :) This season will be long and painful. It is a good medicine for LdM and co. though.

ps:correct me if I am wrong, regulations say that you can not change the size of the compressor. If this is so, and current compressor is undersized, then merc, which somehow found a way to exploit its H unit bypassing energy store with allegedly bigger compressor will not be caught any time soon. Not even next year.

I bet u my bottom dollar, dat Ferrari will finish ahead of the best Merc customer team in WCC.
Thanks for the laugh, nywayz.

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

And I hear a lot about how it hurts those people who are actually working there. I don't get that excuse. If I would not deliver in my work, I would be let go for someone, who would do better job. After all it's people who are building the car and the tools for it.

How can de be held accountable, if de weren't provided the necessary tools to make swift reaction ?

**NickEice** · 10th May 2014, 12:47

Originally Posted by Kyss4k

What I ment by falling appart, was that we are returning to the age where we were strugling to find a way out of.

And I hear a lot about how it hurts those people who are actually working there. I don't get that excuse. If I would not deliver in my work, I would be let go for someone, who would do better job. After all it's people who are building the car and the tools for it.

You wouldn't get laid off for finishing in 3rd. People always make this argument, but I'm sure you work with a good deal of incompetent people. It's very hard to fire people unless they are a CEO etc. Especially in the more liberal Europe.

If we are returning to an age where we struggle to improve so be it. Your posting here won't fix it, especially in the Technical Thread. I come here to see pictures about updates and the better more technical members of our forum share and explain their knowledge. Not to read the never ending doom and gloom.

You don't get the point of Ferrari. It is more important to be able to watch a race with the beautiful red cars than it is for those red cars to win.

**Kyss4k** · 10th May 2014, 12:53

Originally Posted by NickEice

You wouldn't get laid off for finishing in 3rd. People always make this argument, but I'm sure you work with a good deal of incompetent people. It's very hard to fire people unless they are a CEO etc. Especially in the more liberal Europe.

If we are returning to an age where we struggle to improve so be it. Your posting here won't fix it, especially in the Technical Thread. I come here to see pictures about updates and the better more technical members of our forum share and explain their knowledge. Not to read the never ending doom and gloom.

You don't get the point of Ferrari. It is more important to be able to watch a race with the beautiful red cars than it is for those red cars to win.

Hard to fire people? I would love to live where you do.

We finished where we finished thanks to Alonso. Without him, we would be novhere near the top places. Year after year, we haev the same problems apearing and this time we even failed to build a decent engine.After all this push from Ferrari to F1 becomeing the engine formula again.

Ferrari is there to win, what are you talking about? You are in F1 to win! Even the leaders do say that. If you wanted to watch a beautiful red cars, you would not be watching F1, you would be sanding on the streets of Mranello.

I just won't be satisfied with mediocrity. But that's probably just me I guess.

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 17:50

We changed engine cover in Quali.
Also changed from open ended to revised wheelnut solution (both doing blowing, I guess)

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 18:03

Looks like we haven't found the performance we were lookin for wid the new aero updates brought here.
The new FW trialed by Alonso in FP1 didnt make it to Quali sim. I guess they will be further revising it and left it for the tests later here.
Here's what Pat Fry told :

Originally Posted by Pat Fry

Overall, we have made a few small steps forward on improving the stability of the F14 T, both under braking and on turn-in to the corners, as well as on power delivery, so as to give the drivers more confidence in the car. But there is still lots of work to do to improve the efficiency of the car, especially on the aerodynamic front.

- See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/spa....Sc88Rj62.dpuf

More on updates from FA

Originally Posted by Alonso

Of the updates we brought here, some worked, while others need further testing. There is a definite improvement compared to China, but we have some problems with the rear, despite the many set-up changes we made.

See more at: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/spa...-concentration

**tifosi1993** · 10th May 2014, 18:04

Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Spain (10/05/2014)

via Sutton & f1grandprix.net

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 18:36

Giorgio Piola explains the rear end updates :

Originally Posted by Giorgio Piola

For Spain, Ferrari have gone from a double rear wing pillar support (inset) to a single pillar system (main drawing), with a horseshoe mounting going around the exhaust outlet, which also becomes the mounting system for the 'monkey seat' - a small wing that is mounted on the car centre line. The single mounting pillar will mean less disturbance to the airflow going to the underside of the rear wing, while the 'monkey seat' wing will use the fairly high-speed exhaust gas to again create more downforce.

**impactX** · 10th May 2014, 19:13

Just wondering what happened in the last 3 weeks...

**shamim179** · 10th May 2014, 19:16

Originally Posted by impactX

Just wondering what happened in the last 3 weeks...

We made some improvements. But others have made larger improvements. At least we haven't gone backwards!

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 19:18

You do realize Ferrari promised nothing out of this world in terms of performance upgrade for this race. Wait another month.

**Nero Horse** · 10th May 2014, 19:21

Originally Posted by PadGeT

You do realize Ferrari promised nothing out of this world in terms of performance upgrade for this race. Wait another month.

When was the "B-spec" car due? In time for Canada I believe it was? Well, nothing else to do but wait and see.

**Hornet** · 10th May 2014, 19:27

Originally Posted by shamim179

We made some improvements. But others have made larger improvements. At least we haven't gone backwards!

We seem to be more unstable under acceleration than we did in China though, similar to Bahrain. Not sure the reason for that.

**Rob** · 10th May 2014, 19:46

Montezemolo: Ferrari new in Canada

Envoy Autosprint in Barcelona (Spain): Alberto Antonini

There will be another Ferrari for the Canadian Grand Prix next June.

A promise it is none other than Luca di Montezemolo , who arrived in Barcelona to stay close to his team. "There are so many things to do," said the President , who is now much more involved in the practical management of the team . "Even in the relationship with suppliers, for example: Formula One new things have to get right, not in ten days. "

Do not just come once the new version of the F14 T , but there will be a lot to expect. "Here in Spain there is something new in Monte Carlo do not believe that it is worthwhile to take a lot, but in Canada we have something." There is also talk of changes important enough to "power unit" , to the extent permitted by the regulations . In addition to this, a long list of new aerodynamic .

Montezemolo also attended the meetings on cost reduction , but did not lead to permanent solutions. "It seems that someone does not convince you to cut costs before a team fails. We are opposed to the "cost cap", the roof of the costs, because we believe we can not control. But if today's exchange rate, for example, are all the same, why not adopt the same for everyone. "

http://autosprint.corrieredellosport...-canada/15285/

**Nero Horse** · 10th May 2014, 21:48

Originally Posted by Rob

Montezemolo: Ferrari new in Canada

Envoy Autosprint in Barcelona (Spain): Alberto Antonini

There will be another Ferrari for the Canadian Grand Prix next June.

A promise it is none other than Luca di Montezemolo , who arrived in Barcelona to stay close to his team. "There are so many things to do," said the President , who is now much more involved in the practical management of the team . "Even in the relationship with suppliers, for example: Formula One new things have to get right, not in ten days. "

Do not just come once the new version of the F14 T , but there will be a lot to expect. "Here in Spain there is something new in Monte Carlo do not believe that it is worthwhile to take a lot, but in Canada we have something." There is also talk of changes important enough to "power unit" , to the extent permitted by the regulations . In addition to this, a long list of new aerodynamic .

Montezemolo also attended the meetings on cost reduction , but did not lead to permanent solutions. "It seems that someone does not convince you to cut costs before a team fails. We are opposed to the "cost cap", the roof of the costs, because we believe we can not control. But if today's exchange rate, for example, are all the same, why not adopt the same for everyone. "

http://autosprint.corrieredellosport...-canada/15285/

Very risky move by Luca to make such promises. Now if there won't be a significant improvement in Canada then there could be a lot of disappointment and people saying "but Luca said that there would be a big improvement...". On the other hand if Luca can make such big promises then that must mean that he's feeling confident about Ferrari being much better in Canada and if it turns out to be true then that would be simply fantastic.

**Winter** · 10th May 2014, 21:49

Originally Posted by tifosi1993

Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Spain (10/05/2014)

via Sutton & f1grandprix.net

So no blown wheel nuts on either of cars. Another try and error?

**Nero Horse** · 10th May 2014, 22:03

Originally Posted by Winter

So no blown wheel nuts on either of cars. Another try and error?

Different parts for different tracks. Maybe the engineers found that this solution is better for this track and the blown wheel-nuts worked best on the Chinese track.

**PadGeT** · 10th May 2014, 23:19

I know this isn't related to F14 T, but just had to share this video. It seems Red Bull are back to their dirty aero tricks.

Originally Posted by Winter

So no blown wheel nuts on either of cars. Another try and error?

I don't think so. Its just a more revised version, and is still doing blowing, albeit through smaller channel. I think Red Bull's front wheel hub is closer to Ferrari's current iteration in many aspects.

**Winter** · 11th May 2014, 01:04

I don't think so. Its just a more revised version, and is still doing blowing, albeit through smaller channel. I think Red Bull's front wheel hub is closer to Ferrari's current iteration in many aspects.

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That RedBulls intake channel looks way smaller/ less draggy than ours.

**Winter** · 11th May 2014, 01:12

[QUOTE=PadGeT;842741]I know this isn't related to F14 T, but just had to share this video. It seems Red Bull are back to their dirty aero tricks.

How that moving aero part is supposed to be legal?

**Alesi1** · 11th May 2014, 03:26

I think we are at the stage where we can take risks cause season is over.

First of all, how hard is it to ditch the front pullrod and try/test push rod at front ?
We dont have anything to lose, why not try. The front of our car looks too stiff/non compliant, and i think this is affecting stability at the rear/whole car.

For those of you who dont think it will make any differnce fine, but it is a controvrsial aspect of our car that we could try the theory on. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but we wont know unless we give it a go. How much worse could we get ?

In fact how many issues have we had since we switched to rear pullrod, also been a disaster.

**Hunkelberg** · 11th May 2014, 05:57

so the thing quoted at the start of the page does not sound so far fetched after qualifying does it ?
I wonder if the bet is still on....and I get the last laughter as well. nice.

**Hornet** · 11th May 2014, 07:24

Originally Posted by Alesi1

I think we are at the stage where we can take risks cause season is over.

First of all, how hard is it to ditch the front pullrod and try/test push rod at front ?
We dont have anything to lose, why not try. The front of our car looks too stiff/non compliant, and i think this is affecting stability at the rear/whole car.

For those of you who dont think it will make any differnce fine, but it is a controvrsial aspect of our car that we could try the theory on. If I'm wrong, then so be it, but we wont know unless we give it a go. How much worse could we get ?

In fact how many issues have we had since we switched to rear pullrod, also been a disaster.

With limited testing, the team cannot afford to randomly change things just to see what happens. A major difference between push rod and pull rod is it's aero characteristic, so they will have to redesign many minor aero details, and those require CFD and windtunnel usage, which are limited due to cost cutting.

Therefore testing any idea is basically making a bet. If the idea isn't beneficial, that's a bunch of CFD and windtunnel usage the team won't get back and there will be lesser resources left to find a solution.

**Rishu** · 11th May 2014, 08:35

[QUOTE=Winter;842750]

Originally Posted by PadGeT

I know this isn't related to F14 T, but just had to share this video. It seems Red Bull are back to their dirty aero tricks.

How that moving aero part is supposed to be legal?

The vane was broken, not a movable device

**PadGeT** · 11th May 2014, 08:48

Originally Posted by Hunkelberg

so the thing quoted at the start of the page does not sound so far fetched after qualifying does it ?
I wonder if the bet is still on....and I get the last laughter as well. nice.

Ya, it is (although its childish anyways). I wont go back on my word. Remind me after the season ends where F14 T stands relative to other Mercs customer teams & Lotus. By the way, its not the time yet for last laughter, and I am pretty sure I will be one doing so at your comments.

Originally Posted by Rishu

The vane was broken, not a movable device

Possible, and can anyone confirm which race it is (China) ?

**Paulpg87** · 11th May 2014, 13:35

Interview on pitlane from itaian tv. Alonso said we are working on a new car for 2015. There is nothing to do this year. Season over for Ferrari.

**wacc** · 11th May 2014, 15:06

Every team is working on 2015 car. It does not mean they are not working on F14-T too.

**Hornet** · 11th May 2014, 15:11

Originally Posted by wacc

Every team is working on 2015 car. It does not mean they are not working on F14-T too.

Yeah, I'd imagine there are things we can learn this season that can be carry forward to next year. We can also continue to improve our PU reliability since next year's PU will be based on this years one (they cannot completely redesign a new one)

**AfterLife** · 11th May 2014, 15:22

Originally Posted by Paulpg87

Interview on pitlane from itaian tv. Alonso said we are working on a new car for 2015. There is nothing to do this year. Season over for Ferrari.

Upgrading our current car will transform to the next year. I am laughing right now for myself because of thinking for the next year.

**PadGeT** · 11th May 2014, 15:42

Originally Posted by Hornet

(they cannot completely redesign a new one)

Why not?
Regarding the race, it shows you why Red Bull aren't there with Mercedes yet. Its Renault PU. If it was Mercs PU, they would have still been the benchmark here. I hope it bugs Deiter at night seeing Vettel put in the fastest lap of the race. His team ain't invincible yet.