F14-T- Development & News

[steferrari]

Maybe we will not reveal the car either

Lol ! :xmasbiggrin:

yeah, maybe we'll see it for teh first time in Jerez, Spain....first day of testing...i'll be OK with that as long as we win both championships....he, he..

Forza Ferrari!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you hehe ! :xmasbiggrin:

[RedRebel40]

Yes, it's great that it was made using exotic and lightweight materials, but no pictures then huh?

The allowed materials are listed so exotic materials are forbidden.

[a1b2i3r4]

Allison: "The Ferrari in 2014 will have a great advantage!"

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/333...-bel-vantaggio

[Jose-Lorca Fan]

Well done Can you predict the 2014 season for the Scuderia also? :xmasbiggrin:

Drivers and Constructors championships. Championship to be over before Singapore. Rory Byrne to trump Adrian Newey once again.

[DIEK]

[PURE PASSION]

Allison: "The Ferrari in 2014 will have a great advantage!"

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/333...-bel-vantaggio

"The wind tunnel in Maranello has now been updated and is now in able to function at its best: we are seeing some very interesting data on the car in 2014".

[FerrariF60]

"The wind tunnel in Maranello has now been updated and is now in able to function at its best: we are seeing some very interesting data on the car in 2014".

hopefully interesting means GOOD....

[PURE PASSION]

hopefully interesting means GOOD....

Or more "excellent"!!

[AfterLife]

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/333...-bel-vantaggio

Very encouraging

[Nero Horse]

Allison: "The Ferrari in 2014 will have a great advantage!"

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/333...-bel-vantaggio

I really wish and hope that this will be the case, but at the moment I think it's a little too soon to make any predictions. First we'll have to see how our car stacks up against other cars during the winter testing and then maybe we can gradually start making some conclusions. Right now, no one knows exactly who will have the fastest car, but of course it's nice to dream and hope that we'll hit the bullseye this time (pun intended). :xmassmile:

[blaney1977]

Allison: "The Ferrari in 2014 will have a great advantage!"

http://www.omnicorse.it/magazine/333...-bel-vantaggio

Can somebody translate this please?

[Winter]

Does somebody have a clue when our car will be revealed?

[Tifoso]

Alonso has spent an entire GP in the turbo simulator according to Gazzetta.

[Tifoso]

Il britannico è anche molto ottimista sulle possibilità della Ferrari nel mondiale 2014: "Noi e la Mercedes avremo un grande vantaggio nel primo anno - ammette l'inglese - nel senso che abbiamo potuto portare avanti lo studio e la progettazione del motore e del telaio in parallelo. I motoristi sono scesi a dei compromessi per facilitare la parte dell'autotelaio e altrettanto abbiamo fatto noi per andare incontro a delle specifiche esigenze dei motoristi. L'integrazione fra la scocca e la maccanica, quindi, potrà essere maggiore rispetto ad una squadra che riceverà una power-unit intorno alla quale ha realizzato la propria vettura".

He says that we (and Mercedes) will have a good advantage the first year because we (they) develop their own engine and their own cars.

[Jose Lorca]

Got it from the video in here: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/pre...ari-power-unit

[fratelliferrari]

Got it from the video in here: http://formula1.ferrari.com/news/pre...ari-power-unit

Thank you :xmasbiggrin:

[Tifoso]

Gorgeous!!

Thanks Jose Lorca!

[Jose Lorca]

Antonini tells us the sound of the Ferrari V6 turbo


Maranello, December 19, 2013 - The new turbo engine of the Ferrari was unveiled today, and few journalists have been able to attend the presentation of the new jewel in Maranello.

Among these was lucky journalists Alberto Antonini Autosprint who told us by phone, shortly after the presentation, some of his impressions about the new engine.

"The animation was shown a 3D movie that we watched with the special glasses that have provided us. I thought it was an engine more "real" than those who have submitted Mercedes and Renault. They managed to keep hidden some sensitive parts, but it could, however, see a lot of the new 059. For example, it is seen well the kinetic units: the MGU-K located at the bottom left, while the turbo mounted in the back, I felt it was not excessive in size. "

After the screening of this movie Antonini told us that it was possible to hear the sound of the new Ferrari engine, and there was heartened to know that: "The sound is really nice sounds! E 'was also amazing! You have to take into account the fact that it was recorded in a rehearsal room, but surely the result will be positive sound track " , then in more detail told us, "had a low-pitched sound, I think the recording was carried out with the engine that was not at full speed, the gear changes were very close together, without ever bringing the engine to the limit, and you could not hear the whistle characteristic of the turbine. You will not get some noise but powerful V8 the new V6 will still have a nice sound. "

http://www.f1sport.it/2013/12/19/f1-...rari-turbo-v6/

[mkable1370]

Can somebody translate this please?

Translated into English using Bing translate... I regret that I can't vouch for the accuracy, as I don't read Italian.

Allison: "Ferrari in 2014 will have a nice advantage!"
English, technical director of Cavallino, believes that making the entire car would optimize the project

James Allison was promoted to technical director of Ferrari, while there was no mention to Pat Fry that ends in a rearguard role of the Reparto Corse (will manage and track simulation). 45 years English has returned to the prancing horse from 1 September, reviving a wire that was broken nine years ago, when he arrived at Maranello as aerodynamic. Then it was Renault and, then, at Lotus, where he showed his inventive design.

James is an enthusiastic and seems to have brought a surge of optimism in the racing Department which must detoxify by 2013 season that has left many toxins.

The Briton is also very optimistic about the possibilities of Ferrari in 2014 World Cup: "we and the Mercedes will have a big advantage in the first year -admits English- in the sense that we could bring forward the study and design of the engine and chassis in parallel. The testing fell to compromises to make the chassis part and just as we did to meet the specific needs of OEMs. Integrating it into between the shell and the singing, then, can be compared to a team that will receive a power-unit which has built his car ".

We will see that most will point to one aerodynamic efficiency or maximum load as it has been until now?
"The f. 1 is search efficiency. Next year we will have single-seater with a lot less downforce, but also with less resistance. The important thing, then, you go find the downforce without penalising the frontal section: it points to vertical force hoping to not have to have recourse to ailerons with too much impact, because we will have to reckon with fuel economy, being limited to 100 consumption kg/h ".

Allison is confident Ferrari now has a structure able to strive for success: "there is nothing, we just all need to point at the Summit. There are investments, there are structures and people to do very well. "

But aside from his arrival in September, this is the same Ferrari that lost the title a few weeks ago ...
"The analysis is incorrect because there is no doubt that we had a problem in aerodynamic research. For a year and a half we have been forced to work in other structures. The wind tunnel Maranello meanwhile has been updated and is now able to function at their best: we are seeing some very interesting data on car of 2014 ".

You have reached the ideal calibration or do comparison tests again in Cologne?
"It is already able to function properly, but we are doing another few verification: not at Toyota, but Hinwil at Sauber."

The cooling will be one of the important issues in the development of next year because the aerodynamic impact is that the reliability of the systems ...
"Here's this is the prime example to highlight what I said before, namely that those who do the whole car will have an advantage in 2014. Until last year we used to mount a water cooler in a single belly and that of oil in the other. Now things get complicated because with the turbo and hybrid systems will accommodate six radiators in the machine. And believe me it will not be easy to fix them without affecting the efficiency of the car. One of the challenges for 2014 ... ".

This means that Red Bull Racing do not enjoy the same advantage working with Renault?
"Renault seeks to meet the needs of all its customers, taking into particular account the needs of Red Bull, but we have done more" teamwork "that bit disturbing to important results in the first year."

The regulation has some gray areas? Will allow you to the limit of the rules?
"The new rules have written all together after a series of meetings should be clear, but expect surprises as always, because there will surely be those who will bring to the limit of the rules. Nothing new, so why the teams must arrive at the limit of the rules to throw out everything that isn't black or white ... ".

Fernando Alonso was at Simulator is terminated before a Gp "driving" the car 2014. What indications do you have taken from this test?
"Meanwhile, Fernando was able to appreciate the improvements which were brought to the Simulator since the last time you drove. Then have a pilot of his experience allows to address analytically the new problems in the management of a Grand Prix. The power that you have in qualifying, when you will be able to use all the electric potential, will not be equal in the race since race is conditioned by the consumption and from the constraints in the fuel flow.

Who knows what will be waiting for the first test when they make the 2014 race debut new car?
"The first test is always very exciting, but this time it will be more because there is a technical complexity on the machine that we have never seen. We are working hard to improve every aspect of the car. Usually they are very troubled faces in the first test because they expect the verdicts. I am sure that we will be among the most peaceful ... ".

[mkable1370]

Thank you :xmasbiggrin:

Who here believes that the images presented are accurate?

I admit, they are pretty! But, the cynic in me believes that these PR images of the engine are definitely somewhat stylized. The 3D engine images give people the illusion that they now know something about the 059/3 powertrain layout, but really the images could be of any generic engine configuration that more-or-less meets the letter of the f1 specs. As this is a PR video (instead of showing the real engine!) we must assume that Ferrari are first and foremost trying to create buzz and manage perception surrounding their engine, otherwise why not just reveal the true engine. As such, I am disappointed by this video rather than feeling that I have learned something new and exciting.

Here's to hoping that the true engine is REALLY of superior design, such that Ferrari are justified in keeping it secret a while longer.

[Nero Horse]

Does somebody have a clue when our car will be revealed?

Around the 3rd week of January.

[Winter]

Around the 3rd week of January.

Thank you.

[vcs316]

Ferrari present their new engine - "The challenge? Maximum efficiency"

The new 1600 cc turbo presented in Fiorano. Marmorini, head of engines: "Racing in Melbourne or Monte Carlo will no longer be the same"

The idea is to maximise the reliability and, most of all, the efficiency of the new turbo engine in anticipation of the new rule for the 2014 Formula 1 season, which will see a maximum of 100 litres of fuel allowed per race. This will be the main challenge that Ferrari and the other teams will face from now until the start of next season when, in relation to the management of the new 1600-cc V6, racing in Melbourne or Montecarlo will no longer be the same. It will also be important not to break individual parts; beyond the usual penalties for changing the gearbox, there will also be penalties if the battery or KERS need substituted.

TWO YEARS OF WORK — The objective of the turbo engine that Ferrari presented today on the track in Fiorano – as explained by the head of engines and electronics, Luca Marmorini – is aimed precisely in this direction. "It won’t be the same to race in Melbourne or in Monaco. The challenge will be that of maximising efficiency between performances and consumption ahead of the new rule that will limit everyone to 100 litres of fuel per race.

We’ve been working on this power unit project for two years and we’re on schedule.

We’ll also have to be careful as regards reliability; there will be new penalties for when other components break down, and we can add the battery, KERS, ERS and other things to go with the ones already there for the transmission."

ADVANTAGE — Compared to most of the other teams, Ferrari, like Mercedes, will have the advantage of being able to design the chassis of the new car together with the power unit (the engine together with a series of components such as two power recovery systems, KERS for the brake system and ERS for exhaust gases).

Ferrari technical director James Allison stated: "There will certainly be an advantage to building the engine and the chassis together. Other teams won’t be able to do it. It’s something complex to install the power unit on a new chassis. I’ve had this experience since I was with Lotus. Someone who does engines can meet you halfway, but it’s not the same thing."

With the innovations that await the 2014 Formula 1 season, having experienced drivers will be crucial, and Ferrari’s choice of having Kimi Raikkonen return to Maranello, rather than giving a young driver a start, should be considered from this point of view. "Our choice regarding the drivers makes it clear what we’re giving importance to," said Ferrari’s team principal Stefano Domenicali.

[Hornet]

Who here believes that the images presented are accurate?

I admit, they are pretty! But, the cynic in me believes that these PR images of the engine are definitely somewhat stylized. The 3D engine images give people the illusion that they now know something about the 059/3 powertrain layout, but really the images could be of any generic engine configuration that more-or-less meets the letter of the f1 specs. As this is a PR video (instead of showing the real engine!) we must assume that Ferrari are first and foremost trying to create buzz and manage perception surrounding their engine, otherwise why not just reveal the true engine. As such, I am disappointed by this video rather than feeling that I have learned something new and exciting.

Here's to hoping that the true engine is REALLY of superior design, such that Ferrari are justified in keeping it secret a while longer.

IMO, nothing special was reveal in the video. It just shows some standard internal components (6 cylinder, V config, 4 valve per cylinder), with turbo and additional parts for the ERS system which are govern by the rules. If you strip the Merc or Renault engine down to those components, it will all look like that IMO :xmastongue:

Important stuff such as the external shape of the engine which affects the car aero are not shown.

[zike]

Is it really possible to make the engine out of exotic materials, as far as I know all the materials allowed are specified in the regulations???

[Module]

Is it really possible to make the engine out of exotic materials, as far as I know all the materials allowed are specified in the regulations???

I think it was "based on" concerning the different materials so that would leave it sufficiantly open

[Hornet]

Is it really possible to make the engine out of exotic materials, as far as I know all the materials allowed are specified in the regulations???

Nope, you are right the regulations are pretty clear what kind of alloy is allowed, and no composite material allowed which is the important part that forbids any advance material technology

The materials used in the manufacture of the engine and its components are strictly controlled by the regulations. The crankcase and cylinder block must be made of cast or wrought aluminium alloys - the use of composite materials is not allowed. The crankshaft and camshafts must be made from an iron-based alloy, pistons from an aluminium alloy and valves from alloys based on iron, nickel, cobalt or titanium.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru...ulations/8699/

[zike]

Nope, you are right the regulations are pretty clear what kind of alloy is allowed, and no composite material allowed which is the important part that forbids any advance material technology


http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/ru...ulations/8699/

So, what kind of advantage could we have?

[Hornet]

So, what kind of advantage could we have?

Certainly not the stuff the rumor is claiming where we have secret material. Doubt anyone can even tell what alloy they are looking at when they see a metallic object :xmastongue:

From what I've read, many are saying that no any engine will have a significant advantage over others. Merc themself said some time ago that engine will not be a dominant factor. Aero is still the way to go.

One advantage we may have is the fuel consumption and reliability. The most reliable power unit will probably take the most points. It's new design, and we have gone down from 8 units per driver to 5, this is probably more challenging than the performance.

[Jose Lorca]

Good news, the paddock rumours that we were behind schedule and struggling with fuel efficiency are not true

Ferrari adamant its 2014 V6 turbo Formula 1 engine is on target

Ferrari is adamant it is on track with its engine preparations for the 2014 Formula 1 season, despite recent suggestions that it could be behind its manufacturer rivals.

The Italian team played the first audio recording of its new turbocharged V6 to selected media in Maranello this week, as its engine chief Luca Marmorini dismissed any talk the team was behind schedule.

"We defined a timetable two years ago and we are in line with our plans, but we are fully focused on the job," he said.

"We want to be ready in March. We would be working hard if we still had a freeze, and the new regulations don't change our approach and focus.

"Yes there is more uncertainty but we are convinced we will be ready in March."

CONCERNS OVER 'ECONOMY RUNS'

Ferrari prompted doubts about progress earlier this year amid requests in engine meetings for an increase in the fuel limit, as it felt that there were grands prix that would be a struggle for its drivers to finish if they raced flat-out.

Marmorini made it clear that Ferrari's stance was not because it had specific concerns about its own engine, but instead because it does not want the image of F1 to be battered by races turning into economy runs.

"Ferrari never liked the fact that we may be pushed a lot to work on strategy to save fuel to finish the race," he said.

"This is a risk that could in some way change the image of F1, if cars have to save fuel in order to finish the race.

Ferrari 2014 F1 engine launch

"This is unavoidable and we have done our best to have very low fuel consumption. We are working on strategy to be able to finish the race in the minimum total time."

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali added: "When we discussed this issue together with the other engine suppliers, the FIA and other parties, we were not concerned about fuel efficiency or the problem with our engine.

"We were concerned about the point of being so aggressive with the fuel consumption approach that it would have changed the understanding of F1.

"The image has been of a sport where you have to push for the maximum performance. So to think that having some more fuel would have avoided going in fuel-saving mode at certain tracks, like Melbourne, would have helped to understand the situation better.

"It was not so much because of our concern about our fuel efficiency but mainly for the sport itself."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111919