F14-T- Development & News

[wacc]

It is true that F14-T doesn't have big undercut. But on the other hand the sidepod is getting narrower upwords. Also she can have lower center of gravity thanks to that. Those hot air exhaust channels at the rear might be redesinged later, if the cooling is sufficient.

[Avantifer12]

dam mercades and redbulls rear is very tight...I have to say we are actually quite bulky on that front...and that's a fundamental problem which is no quick fix

based on this pic, does anyone else think that merc have tighter packaging than us?
looks like were still running a bit of bodywork to house last years exhausts, where as everyone else seems very slim in that area...?

I have had a close look at our sidepods and have compared them to others and it seems that they are not that bulky, I'd say they are about the same in overall performance or even better.

Look at it this way, to get the most of the air to the rear you need a streamlined design and the airflow to stay attached to the sidepod. My thoughts is that Mercedes and RB have quite wide sidepods initially that shrinks a lot after the wide part as it makes it's way to the rear, compare that to Ferraris sidepods that looks to be slimmer initially and also shrinks but over a longer distance. In my mind our solution is the most efficient because our sidepods are a bit narrower at the begining and hence the airflow is not blocked and attaches more easily to the sidepod. Merc and RB's sidepods may accelerate the airflow more as their sidepods shrink more towards the coke bottle than ours but I think in conjunction with the flow condtioners we use and possibly our nose design we get really good airflow to the rear.

I don't think the comparison above do justice to how tight our packaging is because we are using a different cooling design, if we were to use similar cooling design as RB (shrink the sidepod outlets and open up the engine cover) I think our rear would be just as tight as the others.

[LordPhoenix]

Love the #ForzaMichael on the cars

[RedPassion]

I have had a close look at our sidepods and have compared them to others and it seems that they are not that bulky, I'd say they are about the same in overall performance or even better.

Look at it this way, to get the most of the air to the rear you need a streamlined design and the airflow to stay attached to the sidepod. My thoughts is that Mercedes and RB have quite wide sidepods initially that shrinks a lot after the wide part as it makes it's way to the rear, compare that to Ferraris sidepods that looks to be slimmer initially and also shrinks but over a longer distance. In my mind our solution is the most efficient because our sidepods are a bit narrower at the begining and hence the airflow is not blocked and attaches more easily to the sidepod. Merc and RB's sidepods may accelerate the airflow more as their sidepods shrink more towards the coke bottle than ours but I think in conjunction with the flow condtioners we use and possibly our nose design we get really good airflow to the rear.

I don't think the comparison above do justice to how tight our packaging is because we are using a different cooling design, if we were to use similar cooling design as RB (shrink the sidepod outlets and open up the engine cover) I think our rear would be just as tight as the others.

Exactly.This was one of our problems last year.We had quite big sidepods at the front and then a much bigger undercut at the rear,and it was clear that we had some separation and flow attachement problems in that area.I believe we have chosen more of a Sauber approach with smaller sidepods in the front and a tight but non brutally undercuted rear,we will see what works best.

[giodap]

I have had a close look at our sidepods and have compared them to others and it seems that they are not that bulky, I'd say they are about the same in overall performance or even better.

Look at it this way, to get the most of the air to the rear you need a streamlined design and the airflow to stay attached to the sidepod. My thoughts is that Mercedes and RB have quite wide sidepods initially that shrinks a lot after the wide part as it makes it's way to the rear, compare that to Ferraris sidepods that looks to be slimmer initially and also shrinks but over a longer distance. In my mind our solution is the most efficient because our sidepods are a bit narrower at the begining and hence the airflow is not blocked and attaches more easily to the sidepod. Merc and RB's sidepods may accelerate the airflow more as their sidepods shrink more towards the coke bottle than ours but I think in conjunction with the flow condtioners we use and possibly our nose design we get really good airflow to the rear.

I don't think the comparison above do justice to how tight our packaging is because we are using a different cooling design, if we were to use similar cooling design as RB (shrink the sidepod outlets and open up the engine cover) I think our rear would be just as tight as the others.

[tifosi1993]

Jerez (29/01/2014)







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[RedRebel40]

hmm that reddish helmet in the low nose Ferrari looks like Schumacher in the F2001

[Hornet]

based on this pic, does anyone else think that merc have tighter packaging than us?
looks like were still running a bit of bodywork to house last years exhausts, where as everyone else seems very slim in that area...?

In my uneducated opinion, the radiator area (the forward area of the sidepod, bulkiest part) for Ferrari seems to be slimmer when compared to Merc and Red Bull. Their sidepod shape feature a larger bulge (where the sidepod expand from the inlet, before shrinking towards the rear.) Ferrari's sidepod expand a little, but quickly becomes flat instead of a bulge.

The rear section (where the air outlet is located) however, Ferrari's seems to be larger while Merc and Red Bull looks very much slimmer. In other pictures where if you compare the air outlet opening, Red Bull's is much lower, but not much smaller compared to Ferrari's opening. However from what I can see, Red Bull's rear is tighter because their sidepod seems to shrink significantly before expanding towards the air outlet. (like an hour glass figure). Ferrari sidepod is more straight, it doesn't get any smaller then expanding again to the outlet, it's just a straight line to the outlet at the rear.

Just IMO anyway

[tifosi1993]

[f300v10]

The apparent 'bulk' at the rear of the F14t sidepods is all down to the placement of the hot air exits. There is undercut under the outlets that is as tight or tighter than the Merc or Redbull. The Redbull routes more air up through the central tunnel around the exhaust, and has 2 smaller exits down low just in front of the rear suspension. The Mercedes is similar, but I believe they are running with larger exits today from the photos I have seen. Also keep in mind that air is flowing out of these exits so its not as if they act as a blockage. I am not sure how the velocity of the hot air compares to the free stream, but I bet it is pretty close to the same.

[f300v10]

Just saw this on Twitter:

Lawrence Butcher ‏@motorsportech 3m
And finally, the back of the Ferrari. Tightly packaged thanks to excellent cooling says Ferrari's James Allison #F1

http://pic.twitter.com/Tpaw2sfvmH

So Mr. Allison says excellent cooling on F14t, which explains the small sidepod inlets

[Cozza]

I hope its not just me that thinks the nose of our car kinda looks like a catfish with its mouth open

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[Nero Horse]

I hope its not just me that thinks the nose of our car kinda looks like a catfish with its mouth open

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Whatever, at least we don't have a freaking ----- car, a la Mclaren, Toro Rosso, FI.

And to me our car looks really great and decent compared to some of the others...look at Lotus or Caterham, incredibly hideous monsters.

[Cozza]

Whatever, at least we don't have a freaking dildo car, a la Mclaren, Toro Rosso, FI.

I agree with ya there. The Catherham aswell looks awful

[tifosi1993]

Jerez (29/01/2014)







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[hrc5555]

Anyone knows what is this?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341


Will that be hard to copy?

[Unbannable II]

Anyone knows what is this?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341


Will that be hard to copy?

The way I understand it, it is moveable aero device and should therefore be illegal...

[khizerk]

Yeah if that is legal, we may as well bloody fashion wings out of our suspension links!

[Jas]

Anyone knows what is this?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112341


Will that be hard to copy?

Very hard I believe, a whole change of suspension required, the whole pint the way it got round it is that it WAS NOT just simply a shrowding/cover of the suspension but actuall interlinked with the function of it...very clever I must say even though I don't understand how the hell that will help!

[RedPassion]

The way I understand it, it is moveable aero device and should therefore be illegal...

I must say it is very ingenious,but think about it if that is illegal than are winged rear brake ducts too.

[khizerk]

Yeah but the point is, you can always design a component in a way which mechanically does not make sense, for aerodynamic purposes. Just like there are limits to how much you can do that with brake ducts, there ought to be rules about this too!

[crbassassin]

The way I understand it, it is moveable aero device and should therefore be illegal...

If it's unsprung weight, then its out of the scope of the rules. This is why teams are allowed to add wings on the brake ducts.

[Unbannable II]

I must say it is very ingenious,but think about it if that is illegal than are winged rear brake ducts too.

But brake ducts have a primary function to cool the brakes, this doesn't have a function other than to assist a diffuser aerodinamicly and to move with suspension. It is like a small DRS that works all the time.

[hrc5555]

This is something like double diffuser trick in 2009...

[RedPassion]

If it's unsprung weight, then its out of the scope of the rules. This is why teams are allowed to add wings on the brake ducts.

Ok my bad i did not know this rule.Then must be illegal because it is a sprung part,even if i believe that is more eye catching than everything else.You can bring tons of innovations that bring you 4 tenths,than you find a creative way of lower the splitter by 1mm like RedBull,and you make any Plane Jane car 5 tenths faster.

[RedPassion]

This is something like double diffuser trick in 2009...

I do not believe that is that effective.

[Kiwi Nick]

The way I understand it, it is moveable aero device and should therefore be illegal...

Well, everybody shapes their suspension arms to be airfoils, not round, mounted in a horizontal plane to make them more aerodynamic and reduce drag. These arms also move. If Macca's suspension arms are really shapes this way, and not merely suspension arms with covers on them, then why would they be any less legal than the same suspension arms rotated 90 degrees? We could take the same suspension arm and mount one in a horizontal plane and the other in the vertical plane. One is meant to reduce drag, one is meant to slow flow; both move as the suspension moves, which is illegal?

Seems to me that the only way around this is to specify that suspension arms, that are external to the bodywork, must have round cross sections and be of a certain diameter. Otherwise, Macca may have discovered a way to use their suspension to isolate the diffuser and greatly accelerate the air flow through the diffuser and improve the downforce that it generates.

[Kiwi Nick]

But brake ducts have a primary function to cool the brakes, this doesn't have a function other than to assist a diffuser aerodinamicly and to move with suspension. It is like a small DRS that works all the time.

This would be true if you didn't think that holding the rear wheels to the car was not a legal function. Personally, I think that the rear A-arms have a function beyond aerodynamics.

[Unbannable II]

This would be true if you didn't think that holding the rear wheels to the car was not a legal function. Personally, I think that the rear A-arms have a function beyond aerodynamics.

Yeah, I was treating them like they are an attachment to the arms, my bad. I havent looked at the rules, but I thought that suspension arm were aloud to be streamlined to reduce drag and that was it. No wings on it or anything like that. This works directly with the diffuser and also moves, so in a way it borderlines on legality, depending on how one interprets the rules.

[f300v10]

This is good news:

From James Alison: "We have obtained some good baselines from which to continue the development of the F14 T,” said the Scuderia’s Technical Director, talking to www.ferrari.com. “We are working mainly on car reliability and so far, we can claim to be reasonably satisfied because, even though we are talking about a car that’s almost totally new, we haven’t encountered any particular problems. We are also happy with the data parameters we have seen in terms of cooling, as well as those relating to aerodynamic downforce: both of them have matched our expectations"

Aero data and cooling matching expectations is huge.