F14-T- Development & News

[Brakefade]

The car has a minimum weight, but not the engine from what I know. By having the engine extra light you can then ballast the car to your advantage.

True, lightness in F1 simply means more ballast, which is a very good thing.

[Bubbles]

True, lightness in F1 simply means more ballast, which is a very good thing.

No, the engine has a minimum weight. Currently, it's 95Kg, but the 2014 "Power Units" have to be 145Kg minimum. I don't know if that includes the battery pack.

[Greig]

That could mean ours is 145kg while others are heavier though. It's minimum weight, not maximum.

[RedRebel40]

Guys we know nothing about the 2014 engines yet, if some journalists says our engines delivers 1200 HP on race trim then its just that just a saying. People on the net are saying that the merc engine is the strongest turbo engine but noone knows for sure. I don't think the engine builders know how strong and powerfull the other engines are so its just a very wild guess. Lets wait the first GP and see out ourselfs :)

[mirafiori]

Guys we know nothing about the 2014 engines yet, if some journalists says our engines delivers 1200 HP on race trim then its just that just a saying. People on the net are saying that the merc engine is the strongest turbo engine but noone knows for sure. I don't think the engine builders know how strong and powerfull the other engines are so its just a very wild guess. Lets wait the first GP and see out ourselfs :)

We may even have an idea how good or bad the engine is at testing, but yes you are right lets wait and see?

[stefa]

Guys we know nothing about the 2014 engines yet, if some journalists says our engines delivers 1200 HP on race trim then its just that just a saying. People on the net are saying that the merc engine is the strongest turbo engine but noone knows for sure. I don't think the engine builders know how strong and powerfull the other engines are so its just a very wild guess. Lets wait the first GP and see out ourselfs :)

As I have said these are all just rumors! Not paying much attention to them!

[Bubbles]

Guys we know nothing about the 2014 engines yet, if some journalists says our engines delivers 1200 HP on race trim then its just that just a saying. People on the net are saying that the merc engine is the strongest turbo engine but noone knows for sure. I don't think the engine builders know how strong and powerfull the other engines are so its just a very wild guess. Lets wait the first GP and see out ourselfs :)

This is all hype. People think the Mercedes is going to be the most powerful because the current Merc V8 has the most power, though it's maybe ten horsepower at most. Hulkenberg drove both the Ferrari and the Mercedes and he said the Merc has more power at the top end, whereas the Ferrari is more driveable. As for the Renault V6, well, people wouldn't be talking about Renault if it waren't for Newey's excellent aero all these years. Last year I read that Newey wes concerned about the V6 program at Renault, he felt they were way behind schedule. Ferrari, meanwhile, kept silent.

Mercedes want the hype surrounding their engine to build up to astronomic levels because that will bring them long-term contracts - like Williams and Force India. My guess is the Ferrari is going to be the best V6. Maranello knows how to do a proper high-performance engine. Just look at their road-car engines. Awards every year.

[Hornet]

I would agree that our rival engine maker certainly jump aboard the hype train with all the promotional sound and picture release. Even Honda didn't want to be left out.

Hopefully we silently trash them next year.

[Jose Lorca]

Extracts from the press conference:

Three of the gentlemen here are, of course, in new roles, one within the same team, in Nick's case, but in Paddy and James within different teams, so plenty to talk about. James, can I start with you? How big is the job you've taken on at Ferrari and what's it going to take to get back to winning ways?

James ALLISON: I think technical director at any Formula One team is a very big job, it certainly doesn't leave room for much else than the job in your life, Ferrari is an extremely prestigious Formula One team with a lot of resource and an extremely high level of expectation. There is really no result other than winning that is good enough at Ferrari. So there is a lot of pressure to make sure I play my part in achieving that, but it is a wholly realistic ambition. It's a team with the kit, with the resource, with the people and with the drivers to get the job done, so looking forward to being there when it happens.

You've been in the post for a few months now, what's your assessment of what you've seen so far? Have you seen where changes need to be made and have you already started making those changes?

JA: I've, first of all, been very fortunate to arrive at Ferrari at a point in their cycle when a lot of the changes necessary to return to the front rank - I mean right at the front rank, i.e. winning championships - a lot of the changes necessary to do that have been put in place by Pat Fry. I think I'm particularly lucky to have arrived and been able to benefit from those investments rather than having to start them from scratch. There is much more to be done but I'm a lucky chap to be picking up where I am.

Q: (Dan Knutson - Auto Action and National Speedsport News) And the team's target?

JA: Ferrari's target is always to win. As far as how next year will work out, I think that the size of the rule change means that there will be some unanticipated reshuffling of the pack in terms of where all the teams will find themselves in the pecking order. However, I think - notwithstanding the size of the changes - over the years it's been fairly clear that the teams, although they're hundreds of people in different places end up producing cars independent of one another that come together and are very competitive with one another and I would expect that to be true next year as well. I would also imagine that the first half of next year is likely to be heavily affected by reliability. Next year's rule changes are big enough, just in terms of the configuration of the car but they also place a much much higher burden of reliability on us as well.

[Jas]

Meanwhile, Marca correspondent Marco Canseco claims the 2007 Red Bull tested week for 'filming' purposes at the Los Arcos Navarra circuit may have been wearing a low nose, as per the 2014 regulations.

[Rob]

2014 rule changes - narrow front wings 18 November 2013

For 2014 the width of the front wing will be reduced by 15cm. This will alter the alignment of the wing relative to the front tyres. Previously the wing's 180cm width was the same as the car's total width, so it was relatively easy to design front wing endplates to minimise the drag produced by the tyres. Next year, to compensate for the wing's reduced width the endplates will be even more curved on the outside so that they can still spill airflow towards the outside of the tyres, as you can see in this simple drawing of a 2014 front wing.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1126.html

[Rob]

2014 rule changes - ERS battery position, exhausts, rear wing 18 November 2013

For next season the amount of fuel that can be used in a race is limited to 100kg. Meanwhile, the batteries for the Energy Recovery Systems (ERS) must weigh between 20 and 25kg and be contained in single pack (not split, as Red Bull have done in recent years - upper drawing). This means it will be necessary to place the battery pack inside the fuel cell (red arrow, right). Also shown here are the exhaust tailpipes (red arrow, centre left), which must extend at least 170 to 185mm behind the rear axle line (and have a single exit). Another difference for 2014 is that the rear wing can no longer include a lower, beam wing. This means that vertical pillars (red arrow, left) will once more be used to fix the rear wing to the car.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1127.html

[Nova]

Great posts Rob, Thanks.

[Hermann]

2014 rule changes - ERS battery position, exhausts, rear wing 18 November 2013

For next season the amount of fuel that can be used in a race is limited to 100kg. Meanwhile, the batteries for the Energy Recovery Systems (ERS) must weigh between 20 and 25kg and be contained in single pack (not split, as Red Bull have done in recent years - upper drawing). This means it will be necessary to place the battery pack inside the fuel cell (red arrow, right). Also shown here are the exhaust tailpipes (red arrow, centre left), which must extend at least 170 to 185mm behind the rear axle line (and have a single exit). Another difference for 2014 is that the rear wing can no longer include a lower, beam wing. This means that vertical pillars (red arrow, left) will once more be used to fix the rear wing to the car.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1127.html

Interesting. This is going to be a real challenge for Newey. Can't wait to see which rabbit he will pull out of his magical hat this time.

[FA fan]

Interesting. This is going to be a real challenge for Newey. Can't wait to see which rabbit he will pull out of his magical hat this time.

Hopefully an ugly fat and unstable rabbit,with no down force!!

[Muhammad Ansib]

Hopefully an ugly fat and unstable rabbit,with no down force!!

Mr Rory Bryne, Mr James Allison may we have a very good and the fastest car in 2014..IA and for once our drivers lead from the front and for a change..

[Brakefade]

I hope the RB car is a pig, just to see Vettel cry every race.

[ManFromMilan]

I hope the RB car is a pig, just to see Vettel cry every race.

Yeah and no more sweet inspirational radio messages. So sweet it makes me want to loose my lunch

I'm sure he'll bitch and moan when it is not going his way next year for sure.

[GrndLkNatv]

We may even have an idea how good or bad the engine is at testing, but yes you are right lets wait and see?

The new engine will be great!! I visited with Luca on Sept 3rd, and after that visit, I have no worries.. In regard to the total fuel load, due to the fuel restrictions all teams will have engines that produce power and torque up to around 13k rpm, but after that rpm no more bhp will be generated. Yes the car can rev to 15k rpm, but it will be flat in terms of bhp and torque. So the efficiency of the engine is key and I can honestly tell you that the new V6 from Maranello will be amongst the best. In regard to testing, the test group can simulate the entire seasons worth of tracks, in fact all teams are doing this, it's a normal part of an F1 teams test routines. Remember this coming year you get 8 gears forward, and you cannot change the ratios once you set them at the first of the season. In regard to this, you will only see 8th gear used at Monza by most teams.. Also remember that due to this non optimized gear selection, the engine must produce more torque in order to drive out of the slow speed sections quicker due to not have optimized short gear ratios that allow the engine to run at it's peak all the time. In other words the engine must have a broader power band, and with the Turbo it can be accomplished. Anyway, lots of cool developments coming up this year, not only recovering braking energy but also engine energy..

[giodap]

The new engine will be great!! I visited with Luca on Sept 3rd, and after that visit, I have no worries.. In regard to the total fuel load, due to the fuel restrictions all teams will have engines that produce power and torque up to around 13k rpm, but after that rpm no more bhp will be generated. Yes the car can rev to 15k rpm, but it will be flat in terms of bhp and torque. So the efficiency of the engine is key and I can honestly tell you that the new V6 from Maranello will be amongst the best. In regard to testing, the test group can simulate the entire seasons worth of tracks. Remember this coming year you get 8 gears forward, and you cannot change the ratios once you set them at the first of the season. In regard to this, you will only see 8th gear used at Monza by most teams.. Also remember that due to this non optimized gear selection, the engine must produce more torque in order to drive out of the slow speed sections quicker due to not have optimized short gear ratios that allow the engine to run at it's peak all the time. In other words the engine must have a broader power band, and with the Turbo it can be accomplished. Anyway, lots of cool developments coming up this year, not only recovering braking energy but also engine energy..

what do you mean you visited with luca?

[giodap]

just a casual day out then...? lol! so did luca tell you that the new v6 is as sweet as the v8's and v12's ferrari are currently producing?

[GrndLkNatv]

It wasn't a casual day, a day of meetings.. No, Luca didn't say anything about that...... All I can tell you is that you have nothing to worry about.. Since Luca has been back from Toyota, Ferrari have been perfect in the engine department!

[giodap]

well if your at ease then im at ease... but come winter testing, if the engines a dog then ill come knocking

[GrndLkNatv]

I have no worries... I am more worried about Aero than the powertrain.

[giodap]

yeah i think we could lose out to redbull and merc in terms of aero. theyre both very strong in that department. hopefully mr allison will pull a few rabbits out the hat for us next year

[GrndLkNatv]

Yeppers, Renault ran around half a season without enough bhp a couple years back but did well anyway due to their aero efficiency.. I am sure the team are working on it at this very moment but until you see working on the track, you have to worry a little..

[mirafiori]

The new engine will be great!! I visited with Luca on Sept 3rd, and after that visit, I have no worries.. In regard to the total fuel load, due to the fuel restrictions all teams will have engines that produce power and torque up to around 13k rpm, but after that rpm no more bhp will be generated. Yes the car can rev to 15k rpm, but it will be flat in terms of bhp and torque. So the efficiency of the engine is key and I can honestly tell you that the new V6 from Maranello will be amongst the best. In regard to testing, the test group can simulate the entire seasons worth of tracks, in fact all teams are doing this, it's a normal part of an F1 teams test routines. Remember this coming year you get 8 gears forward, and you cannot change the ratios once you set them at the first of the season. In regard to this, you will only see 8th gear used at Monza by most teams.. Also remember that due to this non optimized gear selection, the engine must produce more torque in order to drive out of the slow speed sections quicker due to not have optimized short gear ratios that allow the engine to run at it's peak all the time. In other words the engine must have a broader power band, and with the Turbo it can be accomplished. Anyway, lots of cool developments coming up this year, not only recovering braking energy but also engine energy..

Thank you very much for some inside information, lets hope what you say is correct, we Ferrari fans need the 2014 engine to be amongst the very best. When you say Luca you mean Luca Marmorini, who for me is a genius when it comes to Engines. Thanks again for the info

[Salvador Dali]

First details of 2014 noses emerge
(This entry was posted in Uncategorized by scarbsf1)

Full article: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111262

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Dear God I hope not!

[Hornet]

We'll have to endure that for 1 year, and the FIA will change the rule again to give the cars a nicer nose. Just like the stepped nose.

[Salvador Dali]

Yes I guess so, but still another year of ugly cars cozz of the FIA... grrrr...