When are they coming?Originally Posted by hrc5555
I can't wait to see solution for new front wing, reversed rear suspension and monkey seat!
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When are they coming?I can't wait to see solution for new front wing, reversed rear suspension and monkey seat!
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need help what page is the comparison of Alonso and Hamilton gear shifting video on saw it this morning but cant find it now regaurding how smooth the Ferrari gear box is
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According to rumors last Bahrain test or even first race.
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Source - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112376
The FIA is undertaking a clampdown on Formula 1's 2014 noses to ensure they meet required safety standards, amid ongoing debate about their designs.
One of the main talking points of the new F1 cars that have run at Jerez this week have been the 'ugly' noses.
While the look of the cars has been the main topic of conversation for fans and team bosses, F1's governing body has also decided to take a closer look at the situation on safety grounds.
AUTOSPORT has learned that the FIA has written to the teams to demand they supply it with information about the structural integrity of the nose tips.
In a technical directive that was sent to teams on Thursday, the FIA has asked for comparison data between the noses on last year's cars and this year's.
Gallery: 2014 F1 designs so far
It has asked for information about "Cross sectional areas of the nose, taken vertically and normal the car centre line, at points 50mm, 150mm and 300mm back from the tip of the nose itself.
"The same cross-sections as above showing the construction of the parts in the relevant sections."
The directive added: "In both cases we are only interested in the nose itself, not the front wing or hangers."
F1 2014 tech focus: How tiny aero rule change led to nose storm
It is understood that some teams have exploited the regulations to produce noses that comply with both the technical regulations and crash tests, but may not actually be tough enough to provide maximum protection in the event of an accident.
The new information will allow the FIA to confirm that the 2014 designs are not weaker than last year's versions.
Although the FIA would not be able to rule the noses illegal on grounds they breach the rules on dimensions or crash tests, there is a catch-all regulation that would allow it to act if it deems they are not strong enough.
I know it has already been discussed a little bit, but I'm confused. If the cars all passed safety and crash tests prior to testing how can they enforce a change now? RB must be really upset about our nose....the FIA is crazy, what a farce this season is becoming.
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I do not want to argue anyone but imho it is the exact opposite -> why would they do this only on one side, if it was for aero. Also the cooling is probably not symmetric (intercooler in one sidepod engine cooling on other side). Also the pipe from that inlet lead towards engine. I do not say I am rignt. Just my thoughts.
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The FIA is going into full fecal fantasy mode. What is a team to do when they "produce noses that comply with both the technical regulations and crash tests, but may not actually be tough enough..."
Can someone please point me to the "not tough enough" section of the rules? This is like the old "flexing floor" nonsense, where it was not enough to meet the rules, a team had to exceed the rules by an amount that was never published.
Now it will be interesting to see how this new "regulation" is applied. Will the cars with horizontal oriented noses, like Ferrari, Merc and Macca be subject to further scrutiny? Will Lotus have to prove that they are "as tough" than in 2013. Will all of the "anteater" noses be deemed OK without any need for a test? If there is a concern that cars that have passed the crash test are not tough enough, will the FIA rewrite the crash structure rules and make every team retest?
If this sort of stuff is allowed to go on, we may be looking at a year where half of the starters are non-finishers, or limp around belching and whirring, hoping not to run out of fuel or catch fire.
FARCE, FARCE, FARCE...finally I agree with Sir Bernard!
And the "power units" are a FARCE, FARCE, FARCE too!
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It would appear that there is some thing on the left side that needs extra cooling. This year there are 30-40 separate devices that require cooling. If Ferrari have had to add only one small duct, I'd say that's pretty good. If it were there to increase airflow, it would be on both sides.
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Thats right, the car is not symmetrical and it could be the case that on the right side is impossible for air to pass that section...
I suppose that cut leads the air to the diffuser.
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Actually Red Bull is upset about every other nose on the grid,and i am sure they already have something prepared in case the FIA changes the regulation(lobbying as always)and i believe that our nose should be the only one that does not bring structural problems with it ,on the contrary,but maybe they want to ban our interpretation because they missed a trick,thats why they are arguying about how dangerous it is when the low noses are broken,because of the high chassis behind them(quite a stupid commentary because it has been the same for the last 2 years).You know what,Red Bull acts like Mr. Berlusconi,if you have done something against the law,you dont need to change or step back,just change the law,and this is exactly what RED BUll is all about
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I found this picture and I have to say it looks more like a temporarely aerodynamic feature, but it also looks a bit melt so to speak but this is testing so you have to improvise so it cannot be the prettiest fix.
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Just saw this and I didn't think the pipe was connected to the cutout but it was which is a bit confusing. Either they are channeling air to cool a specific area or they are trying to feed air to the middle part of the diffuser using this pipe. Has Ferrari run any aero rigs today or do you guys think they can measure a difference without a aero rig on the diffuser?
This picture shows the pipe, you can compare with the other picture I posted to see that its connected to the cutout:
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Are those heat sensors on the rear suspension arms? that could suggest that opening is for cooling then?
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Wow that's really interesting, wonder what is going on there given it's only on one side of the car....
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Yes, teams use them on a regular basis during testing and when trying new solutions. Ferrari had many of them on crash structure behind the exhaust and on the suspesion arms which are exposed to the hot air coming from sidepod outlets. They have had those stickers on the cars since day 1.
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What really stunned me this year is the level of development the project has.Last year we begun the tests with the wings and diffuser from end 2012,this year we already have an interim rear wing,an interim front wing,we had an interim diffuser and we already tried a seocnd one probably for the first race.And if someone is thinking thats because the aerodynamics rules have changed so much that you must have specific parts ,well,i dont think thats the case, because red bull is running with last year parts adapted to the new rules a little bit like Williams,showing that you can use old adapted parts as interim spec.I believe that the new organisation is bearing fruits(Tombazis said last year that he was beginning to see the first fruits,i believe now the fruits are mature and the team has more time to study and deliver the projects,resulting in a development advantage,i hope it pays out .
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with more lights
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Really curious about where that air is being sent with that ductwork! Additional cooling for engine/electronics/etc.? Or routing cool air somewhere for aero or other purpose?with more lights
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One thing is certain, it is not some new aero device to send additional airflow to the diffuser, as some have speculated.
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Agree, after a closer look it seems that the tube is bent towards the front so it could be cooling the energy store which is not welcomed news but this will be solved (if there is something to solve) to the next test.
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Something in there is running slightly hot,that is a very temporary looking fix.
Could'nt be that serious if only a two inch ducting pipe turning some air 180 degrees did it.
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Various rumours going round that the Ferrari may not quite have the grip of the Mercedes and maybe even the McLaren.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25984458And while Ferrari generally kept under the radar - and there may be signs that the car lacks a bit of grip - Fernando Alonso completed a series of impressive-looking runs on the final day. The double world champion was fastest at various points before ending up second overall behind former team-mate Felipe Massa's Williams.
This may not be ideal but right now, I'd rather have the reliability of the car first.
2 things that were more important than anything for Ferrari this test:
1. Make sure the car worls (powertrain)
2. Make sure numbers on track match the wind tunnel.
Looks like this has been done. Which is good, and now because of this base, they can go and find that missing grip to close the gap. (If they haven't done already. They may have just brought the basic aero package to just get the mechanical reliability sorted but then Merc might be the same. We will see in Bahrain what kind of aero parts the car may have in the pipeline.)
And because of the Wind tunnel working and if that stays the case then Ferrari's development should be very good and fast too.
And even if it turns out in Australia that Ferrari is off the pace of Mercedes, I still trust the F14 T to complete more races than the others based on the past few years. Mercedes engine may be reliable, but McLaren and Mercedes have had many car failure the past few seasons while most of Ferrari's troubles have been due to collisions.
And that is before you get to the main equalisers, the divers. Fernando and Kimi are very well versed in making up the difference in pecking order between the cars anyways.
Of course these rumours may be BS and nobody knows anthing yet and we will have to wait until Bahrain to see what the pecking order will be as right now it is just reliability the teams are focusing on. If so, then no need to worry.
But then, even if the rumours are true and that Ferrari may be a little behind, then there isn't much need to worry either!
To be honest, RedBull still remain the biggest competition if one of our guys is to take the title. So if they are struggling then it is a massive boost.
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Car lacking of grip is a common rumor in italy, here the f14t is not considered as a good car at the moment. Just reporting infos guys, not my opinion, i do not really know, what i can state is that mc an d mercedes looks better than us and listening to Button comments seems mc is really good.
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Button in quali....no problem haha....hes the most over rated driver in my opinion! Winning 2009 only because of a very very very dominant car, and out shadowed by Hamilton in quali on nearly every occasion! If the gap is only a sec to the mclarens....we have no problem haha!
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Our engine sounds great! Listen how it howls when it is switched off, like a jet engine...from the 21:10 mark in this video.
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Lets just hope the McLaren's aero trick is no where near as advantageous as the double diffuser. Few years ago I don't think it will be, but now it's hard to tell since the car is losing downforce with the new rules, any small advantage could become a dominant factor.
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I wouldn't worry McLaren's trick is as big as that. There is nowhere near as much controversy about the legality of the DDD, and most teams just assumed it was illegal. This I think would be similar to the F-duct I think.Lets just hope the McLaren's aero trick is no where near as advantageous as the double diffuser. Few years ago I don't think it will be, but now it's hard to tell since the car is losing downforce with the new rules, any small advantage could become a dominant factor.
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Relax, the car doesn't even have the monkey seat on, maybe Ferrari are hiding some sexy solution there.
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After having watched Ted's notebook from day 4 he said that most teams weren't so happy about Ferrari's solution to protect the turbo in case of a failure and that most teams are using reinforced engine covers while Ferrari is confident that their turbo casing will contain all bits and pieces if the turbo goes to south.
Our solution will give us a lower center of gravity so I hope there won't be too much turbulenceabout that.
An other intresting topic that I probably has to read about at the F1technical forums is the internal airflow which for me is unkown territory, I have no clue how that works and would like to know more so if any of you here has any thoughts please share. From what my common sense tells me is that same aerodynamic basics applies for this area too, so a clean airflow as possible with minimum drag. What confuses me is where does the air come from, cockpit, rollhoop and how much energy has this airflow? And are you looking to create downforce within the chassis or do you just use the flow to cool vital parts?
I remember a picture of the engine, gearbox I think of the Red Bull and it had at least two internal winglets, were these winglets there to direct airflow or create downforce?.
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This might explain a bit more even if its an old car.After having watched Ted's notebook from day 4 he said that most teams weren't so happy about Ferrari's solution to protect the turbo in case of a failure and that most teams are using reinforced engine covers while Ferrari is confident that their turbo casing will contain all bits and pieces if the turbo goes to south.
Our solution will give us a lower center of gravity so I hope there won't be too much turbulence
An other intresting topic that I probably has to read about at the F1technical forums is the internal airflow which for me is unkown territory, I have no clue how that works and would like to know more so if any of you here has any thoughts please share. From what my common sense tells me is that same aerodynamic basics applies for this area too, so a clean airflow as possible with minimum drag. What confuses me is where does the air come from, cockpit, rollhoop and how much energy has this airflow? And are you looking to create downforce within the chassis or do you just use the flow to cool vital parts?
I remember a picture of the engine, gearbox I think of the Red Bull and it had at least two internal winglets, were these winglets there to direct airflow or create downforce?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gly...e_gdata_player
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