F14-T- Development & News

[ntukza]

3ws
it's better when you test with F1 actual car (cooling, fuel..)

My point is that Ferrari may be ahead in engine testing that possibly the data that remains to be gathered, as far as the Ferrari team is concerned, can be collected by Ferrari themselves, without resorting to paying for their customer teams' promotional running. This is especially if all is going well. If problems arise with the engine then maybe they should go that route.

[Stormsearcher]

According to Gary anderson Ferrari are ahead in the Engine and transmission department and seem to have found something that the others havent- but apparently we are still lacking in mid speed downforce.

[RedPassion]

Gary doesnt have a clue ,either on the engine side nor on the aerodynamics side,if other teams dont know how could he knows??????

[Jas]

VERY GOOD ARTICLE ON COOLING OF FERRARI! SHOWING EVEN THE CHANGES THEY MADE DURING TESTING! Never noticed the duct on the side tbh! http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/vi...ooling_inlets/

[ntukza]

Is the apparent downforce deficit cause for concern? We have been lacking in this area for years.

[Unbannable II]

Lets just hope that even if there is a downforce deficit, the new personel with a working wind tunnel will be able to catch up with competition.

[Stormsearcher]

Knowing how fast RBR can develop a car, our best bet this season is to hit the ground running rather than hope to develop the car over the season. I dont think we can arrive with a downforce problem. Hopefully the next 2 tests will sort this out.

[Hornet]

My point is that Ferrari may be ahead in engine testing that possibly the data that remains to be gathered, as far as the Ferrari team is concerned, can be collected by Ferrari themselves, without resorting to paying for their customer teams' promotional running. This is especially if all is going well. If problems arise with the engine then maybe they should go that route.

I don't think we can tell if everything is going well just yet. The temperature in Jerez is no where near representative of what we'll face during the season. Therefore if there's any way we can expose any potential problem with the engine, we should do it sooner rather than later. The engine testing is certainly far from done. It's not like Ferrari is on a strict budget anyway, the team is capable of spending more than what the rules allow, and every team in such position will find ways to spend on extra testing advantages.

[Winter]

I read from Finnish paper that Ferrari is going to bring big motor update and new front and rear wings to Bahrain.
I believe first test was just to test reliability and other basic stuff. Maybe in Bahrain we can see some real time laps
and where we stand against the others..

[S1000RR]

I read from Finnish paper that Ferrari is going to bring big motor update and new front and rear wings to Bahrain.
I believe first test was just to test reliability and other basic stuff. Maybe in Bahrain we can see some real time laps
and where we stand against the others..

I have heard the same; this package was just to confirm windtunnel data

[stefa]

I have heard the same; this package was just to confirm windtunnel data

We'll see, we'll see....

[peta_w]

Nice post http://www.forumula1.com/forum/viewt...390845#p390845 here on the front of the F14T.

I'm feeling confident about our car. Lets hope things keep going good next testing.

[mkable1370]

Omnicorse is reporting a new rumor that all of the f1 cars are running over the minimum weight this season. They say our F14-T is one of the lightest at only about 12kg over the minimum. .
They imply that essentially no ballast is being used this season because the teams are already too heavy and can't afford the weight penalty. Thoughts?

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...tte-sovrappeso

[Unbannable II]

That's interesting, I also noticed that driver cockpit is moved backwards compared to last years car and this years competition.
That implies that Ferrari is lighter at the back and they were able to move some weight backwards.

[Jas]

Nothing to do with updates etc...just a bit of a laugh from lotus and mercadeshttp://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/477878/Video_Mercedes_and_Lotus_provide_a_laugh/

[ntukza]

Nice post http://www.forumula1.com/forum/viewt...390845#p390845 here on the front of the F14T.

I'm feeling confident about our car. Lets hope things keep going good next testing.

Good to read this. I can't wait for the next test.

[ntukza]

I don't think we can tell if everything is going well just yet. The temperature in Jerez is no where near representative of what we'll face during the season. Therefore if there's any way we can expose any potential problem with the engine, we should do it sooner rather than later. The engine testing is certainly far from done. It's not like Ferrari is on a strict budget anyway, the team is capable of spending more than what the rules allow, and every team in such position will find ways to spend on extra testing advantages.

Yeah I suppose you're right. I'm sure the team has a way of making the Jerez test results useful despite the low temperatures but you do make a good point.

[Katu]

Nothing to do with updates etc...just a bit of a laugh from lotus and mercadeshttp://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/477878/Video_Mercedes_and_Lotus_provide_a_laugh/

Rosberg most certainly has a very good sense of humour

[Jas]

Just seen a pic of the lotus at lotus on facebook, with something highlighted near the exhaust...looks quite interesting!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

[Jas]

if the link does not work its on the facebook page....Scudderia Ferrari Fans

[Avantifer12]

Just seen a pic of the lotus at lotus on facebook, with something highlighted near the exhaust...looks quite interesting!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

Interesting indeed but if it is the actual exhaust it's illegal, the rules are pretty clear when it comes to the exhaust system. The rules state that the last 15cm tailpipe must lie between 17 and 18,5cm behind the rear wheel centerline. My guess is that it's something related to cooling.

From 2014 technical regulations:
5.8.4 The last 150mm of any tailpipe must in its entirety :
Be positioned in order that the entire circumference of the exit of the tailpipe lies
between two vertical planes normal to the car centre line and which lie between
170mm and 185mm rearward of the rear wheel centre line.

[Avantifer12]

I saw this picture a day ago which shows the seriousness and risks about handling so much high voltage. Let's hope they never will have to use this equipment.

[Nero Horse]

Although Mercedes is being touted as the early 2014 Formula 1 season favourite, Ferrari is reportedly also ahead of the game as Formula 1′s new V6 turbo engine era dawns.

Speed Week reports that, when Ferrari-powered cars decelerated at the recent Jerez test, they sounded “very different” to their Mercedes and Renault-equipped counterparts.

Reports in Italy say that engine designer Luca Marmorini has devised a unique system that stops the flow of fuel when the driver is not accelerating, improving not only fuel consumption but also the effect of engine-braking.

Also attracting attention at Jerez were Ferrari’s airboxes and sidepods, amid suggestions the Italian marque is ahead of the game in the challenging area of cooling the all-new engine, turbo and energy-recovery systems.

When asked about the Ferrari layout, Mercedes engine boss Andy Cowell told Auto Motor und Sport: “Cooling has become such an important issue, both for power and for the aerodynamics, so a lot of research has gone into this field.”

http://grandprix247.com/2014/02/07/f...rise-mercedes/

[Avantifer12]

“Cooling has become such an important issue, both for power and for the aerodynamics, so a lot of research has gone into this field.”

This is what we also heard from the presentation video of the F14-T. Teams have to make a trade off between more power (require more cooling) or improved aerodynamics (less cooling). I hope and think we have made a very good job finding the right balance between power and aerodynamics.

But rather worrying Mercedes reported that their engine were more powerful than expected, aprox. 690bhp. This could just be a mind game however I think Ferrari is not that far away from those numbers.

In german though.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/f...r-8032979.html

[bondilad]

http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/06/f1-...he-power-unit/

Another article about the ferrari turbo engine.

It says only mclaren ran the engine@15000 rpm at jerez.

[bluesilhouettes]

What does "air - water - air" exchanger mean ??

[Hornet]

What does "air - water - air" exchanger mean ??

Sounds like it's about how they transfer the turbo heat out. Instead of directly flowing air to the turbo, they use water to transfer the heat elsewhere before using air to cool the water.

[Avantifer12]

Ferrari is the only one to use an “air-water-air” exchanger to cool down the turbocharger

This is not necessarily all true, It's a rumor yes and it makes sense but as Scarbs wrote at F1technical forum: "Other Tech directors were fairly sure that Ferrari running water-to-air intercoolers and that Ferrari werent alone in that respect."

Sounds like it's about how they transfer the turbo heat out. Instead of directly flowing air to the turbo, they use water to transfer the heat elsewhere before using air to cool the water.

Precisely, but basics first for anyone who finds this a bit confusing. Radiators cools the engine coolants. Intercoolers cools the hot air from the turbo and this can be done by using air or water.(air to air or air to water)

Here is an illustration that helped me, not F1 but I believe it's the same principles.


For those of you who want to learn more about the pro's and con's with these different intercoolers here's a link.
http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...tercooler.html

[Rob]

http://thejudge13.com/2014/02/06/f1-...he-power-unit/

Another article about the ferrari turbo engine.

It says only mclaren ran the engine@15000 rpm at jerez.

No teams would really want to max out the engine that early by continously hitting 15000 rpm, for no benefit (lap times) First test, was just one big shakedown and data collection. If other teams ran 15000rpm, fair play, but in my eyes, and the team that is a big risk to take for no reason.

[mkable1370]

This is not necessarily all true, It's a rumor yes and it makes sense but as Scarbs wrote at F1technical forum: "Other Tech directors were fairly sure that Ferrari running water-to-air intercoolers and that Ferrari werent alone in that respect."



Precisely, but basics first for anyone who finds this a bit confusing. Radiators cools the engine coolants. Intercoolers cools the hot air from the turbo and this can be done by using air or water.(air to air or air to water)

Here is an illustration that helped me, not F1 but I believe it's the same principles.


For those of you who want to learn more about the pro's and con's with these different intercoolers here's a link.
http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...tercooler.html

Keep in mind that this is ALL speculation, and that no one outside the teams knows for certain (or is telling) which cars, Ferrari or otherwise, are actually running air-water intercoolers. That said, my first thought would be to look to the various Ferrari customer teams. They will have been the ones with the most detailed knowledge of how best Ferrari believes their power unit will operate, what the cooling requirements are, etc., and there could very well be some sort of technology transfer deal there along with the power unit contracts. Since we haven't really seen pictures of any of the Ferrari powered cars with sidepods internals or engine exposed, its hard to say what each team is using. But, there have been media reports already pointing to the relatively small sidepod air inlets on the various Ferrari powered cars. This could certainly be a first indication to the type and efficiency of the cooling units being employed by those teams.