F14-T- Development & News

**Nero Horse** · 14th February 2014, 22:01

Can't wait for next week when the Bahrain test starts, these are really exciting and crucial times right now. Whoever has the upper hand after the final test will most likely go on to have a very good and successful first half of the season, at the very least. So these last testing days in Bahrain will be extremely important.
Very, very excited to see what kind of new parts Ferrari will have on the car.

**Winter** · 14th February 2014, 23:12

Has anybody seen some news about Kimi skipping fist Bahrain test? I tried to look for some, but couldn't find any..
I taught his back problems were solved and now I hear he's skipping test because back pain?
Please be wrong mr Ferris

**radosav** · 15th February 2014, 02:10

Originally Posted by Winter

Has anybody seen some news about Kimi skipping fist Bahrain test? I tried to look for some, but couldn't find any..
I taught his back problems were solved and now I hear he's skipping test because back pain?
Please be wrong mr Ferris

I am sorry but i have bad news for you! Kimi Mathias Raikkonen died tonight due to chronic back pain and will not attend first Bahrain test !

Don't get me wrong, but you are a little bit paranoid! If you searched for news and there weren't any,then rumor isn't true!

**Hornet** · 15th February 2014, 04:04

Originally Posted by Forzafonz

I really like how more and more experts at the current moment say that Ferrari has a really good car, although the same experts said absolytely opposit things about our car right after its launch ( it is too conservative, luck of innovation, poor engine and so forth0). And now what? It turns out that our car has all of key features: plenty of innovations, really good engine ( according with our team comments they are happy with it) and it is not conservative as it seems at first glance. Do not forget, please, that we expect a great deal of new parts in Bahrein which can bring F14-T on absolytely new level in terms of technical advantage.
I really want an excellent car for Fernando and Kimi, because they both have deserved it.

Well, it's all just opinions and we'll have to wait until Australia to find out. But of course it's always good to hear good stuff in addition to bad stuff as well, this is normal. What's not normal is if everyone thinks our car is bad, then something is really wrong.

**Winter** · 15th February 2014, 05:30

Originally Posted by radosav

I am sorry but i have bad news for you! Kimi Mathias Raikkonen died tonight due to chronic back pain and will not attend first Bahrain test !

Don't get me wrong, but you are a little bit paranoid! If you searched for news and there weren't any,then rumor isn't true!

Roll your eyes all you want, but at lest to me, that guy who posted that "news" doesn't seem to be any more troll than you

And with Kimi you never know, when it comes to sharing something to the press..

**mirafiori** · 15th February 2014, 07:58

Originally Posted by Winter

Roll your eyes all you want, but at lest to me, that guy who posted that "news" doesn't seem to be any more troll than you

And with Kimi you never know, when it comes to sharing something to the press..

Well i personally appreciate you have been searching for information on Kimi, is this not the reason why we all go on the forum, to find things out about the team who we all support and to share our thoughts and opinions.

**f1tomi8** · 15th February 2014, 08:19

**f1tomi8** · 15th February 2014, 09:43

Lorenzo De Luca : Ferrari in Barhain will use the same chassis used at Jerez, in Maranello after more than 1000km of testing, found no weaknesses in it.

**radosav** · 15th February 2014, 11:24

Originally Posted by Winter

Roll your eyes all you want, but at lest to me, that guy who posted that "news" doesn't seem to be any more troll than you

And with Kimi you never know, when it comes to sharing something to the press..

you mean you?

**Hornet** · 15th February 2014, 12:07

Originally Posted by f1tomi8

Lorenzo De Luca : Ferrari in Barhain will use the same chassis used at Jerez, in Maranello after more than 1000km of testing, found no weaknesses in it.

Does chassis includes the nose design?

**f1tomi8** · 15th February 2014, 12:19

Originally Posted by Hornet

Does chassis includes the nose design?

I don't think.

**Winter** · 15th February 2014, 13:02

Originally Posted by radosav

you mean you?

No I ment Ferris, who has joined here in 2008. If you mean that I was Ferris, no I was not.

Some quotations of his/her posts:

"Don't be surprised next week if Alonso is given all the driving duties. This is not in the teams control and wont be a terrible thing for the team but it was certainly more useful to have them both contributing to the feedback on the car.

I am just trying to get some rumours confirmed that Kimi wont be testing in Bahrain due to some physical constraints..."

"
"I thought that was what this community was all about. Providing information as soon as we had it. I qualified it by stating I was trying to confirm the rumour further. My source is not some media outlet and the explanation would not be good for the source who told me about the issue with Kimi.

He was the same person who advised me the Kimi deal had been secured weeks before the media confirmed it."

This is internet, of course somebody can just troll, but if you automaticly assume that, you are just a little bit paranoid

**radosav** · 15th February 2014, 13:54

Originally Posted by Winter

No I ment Ferris, who has joined here in 2008. If you mean that I was Ferris, no I was not.

Some quotations of his/her posts:

"Don't be surprised next week if Alonso is given all the driving duties. This is not in the teams control and wont be a terrible thing for the team but it was certainly more useful to have them both contributing to the feedback on the car.

I am just trying to get some rumours confirmed that Kimi wont be testing in Bahrain due to some physical constraints..."

"
"I thought that was what this community was all about. Providing information as soon as we had it. I qualified it by stating I was trying to confirm the rumour further. My source is not some media outlet and the explanation would not be good for the source who told me about the issue with Kimi.

He was the same person who advised me the Kimi deal had been secured weeks before the media confirmed it."

This is internet, of course somebody can just troll, but if you automaticly assume that, you are just a little bit paranoid

After seeing twitter posts from JoseLuis i don't believe no one if it isn't official source or people very close to center of subject!

**Winter** · 15th February 2014, 14:40

Originally Posted by radosav

After seeing twitter posts from JoseLuis i don't believe no one if it isn't official source or people very close to center of subject!

I must say, that I have no idea what your saying..

I just hope that this Kimis back case is wrong info and Ferrari can run their planned test program with both drivers.

**gjoko-mkd** · 15th February 2014, 18:01

good view of the rear part of the car

**windwaves** · 15th February 2014, 20:11

Originally Posted by Winter

Has anybody seen some news about Kimi skipping fist Bahrain test? I tried to look for some, but couldn't find any..
I taught his back problems were solved and now I hear he's skipping test because back pain?
Please be wrong mr Ferris

I would be very very surprised that there are problems with his back. While I understand that with back surgery rarely one has full recovery it should be ok for driving F1 but most importantly Ferrari would have not hired KR without certainty about his back. It is just bad rumors spread by some. And the truth is soon to be revealed :)

**Unbannable II** · 15th February 2014, 20:40

They rehired him before his back problems surfaced . :)

**Nova** · 16th February 2014, 02:57

Am interested to see if anyone will try the Mac bumper wing idea...
Also interested to see if it really works....
Also interested to see if Ferrari tries a different nose idea...
Also interested to see who will drive the F14T...
Also interested to se if Ferrari turns up the wick a bit....

**Hornet** · 16th February 2014, 04:02

Originally Posted by gjoko-mkd

good view of the rear part of the car

I hope those lines say "good aero airflow"

Seems like we do not cover the axle like we did last year. Wonder if it has anything to do with the new weight limit

**Rob** · 16th February 2014, 08:14

Originally Posted by Hornet

I hope those lines say "good aero airflow"

Seems like we do not cover the axle like we did last year. Wonder if it has anything to do with the new weight limit

Teams covered the driveshaft and rear axle because of the EBD. As the driveshaft rotated(s) it gives inconsistent aero. And with the EBD, its best to have consistent. Now we do not have them, there is no need to cover the rear axles, driveshafts. All teams (so far, i think all teams) have not covered the rear components.

**Hornet** · 16th February 2014, 08:26

Originally Posted by Rob

Teams covered the driveshaft and rear axle because of the EBD. As the driveshaft rotated(s) it gives inconsistent aero. And with the EBD, its best to have consistent. Now we do not have them, there is no need to cover the rear axles, driveshafts. All teams (so far, i think all teams) have not covered the rear components.

I see, thanks for the explanation.

Didn't know it was for EBD

**Stormsearcher** · 16th February 2014, 09:28

Originally Posted by Unbannable II

They rehired him before his back problems surfaced . :)

hmm..

i always thought his back problems were actually payback to Lotus for not paying him. Was it even real?

**Unbannable II** · 16th February 2014, 11:57

It was real, he had an operation in Switzerland, unless the articles were lying about that too.

**stefa** · 16th February 2014, 13:15

Based on what you people are expecting new/different nose design from Ferrari at second test?

Why?

**Hornet** · 16th February 2014, 13:27

Originally Posted by stefa

Based on what you people are expecting new/different nose design from Ferrari at second test?

Why?

Not expecting of course, just that it may be a possibility for some teams to try on different nose design. Will Ferrari do that, who knows eh.

**Kiwi Nick** · 16th February 2014, 14:23

Am interested to see if anyone will try the Mac bumper wing idea...
Also interested to see if it really works....
Also interested to see if Ferrari tries a different nose idea...
Also interested to see who will drive the F14T...
Also interested to see if Ferrari turns up the wick a bit....
Also interested to see if Ferrari paint car yellow...
Also interested to see if Nando gets "nose job" in sympathy for F14-T...
Also interested to see if Kimi is named new team principal...
Also interested to see if Pirelli introduce square tires to increase grip in light of decreased downforce

It's all "possible"

**Grinsomx** · 16th February 2014, 14:25

Originally Posted by stefa

Based on what you people are expecting new/different nose design from Ferrari at second test?

Why?

Ferrari did say they are looking at different nose designs in one of the many articles posted in this thread, my best guess is that is where this idea comes from.

**Avantifer12** · 16th February 2014, 14:50

Originally Posted by Hornet

I hope those lines say "good aero airflow"

Seems like we do not cover the axle like we did last year. Wonder if it has anything to do with the new weight limit

Originally Posted by Rob

Teams covered the driveshaft and rear axle because of the EBD. As the driveshaft rotated(s) it gives inconsistent aero. And with the EBD, its best to have consistent. Now we do not have them, there is no need to cover the rear axles, driveshafts. All teams (so far, i think all teams) have not covered the rear components.

This is an interesting topic, I took for granted that Ferrari would cover the driveshaft but by the looks of it I think they are achieving the same effect by using the wishbone and trackrod.

I think Scarbs wrote something on this a year ago or so and if I'm remember correctly the spinning driveshaft in open airflow creates a aerodynamic disadvantage (in F1) called the Magnus effect (same effect when footballers curl the ball)
http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2013/04/26...ear-wishbones/

So, by covering the driveshaft you reduce this unwanted effect and also improving the flow over the diffuser. So with or without EBD it seems to be a good idea to cover the driveshaft. I'm starting to think that the lack of the beam wing could have something with covering the driveshaft, could also have something to do with the new weight limit.
Most of the teams cover the driveshaft more or less (same effect I think).

Red bull: http://i.imgur.com/go11cVd.jpg
Mercedes: http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/s...s1431ja112.jpg
Sauber: http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...a01-751449.jpg
Force India: http://i.imgur.com/mYQGFZ2.jpg
Toro Rosso: http://images.adrivo.com/images/1440/959/0554637.jpg
Caterham: http://www.formula1.com/wi/enlarge/0...ms1429a339.jpg

As for flow visualization (flow-vis or flow-viz call it what you want

) from what I know which isn't much you are looking for clean attached lines, disruption in the lines indicates separation and no lines at all indicates stagnation. So looking at the F14-T flow-viz picture (not hi-res) the flow over the rear floor looks OK I guess. The patch with no paint in front of the rear wheel seem to be a area with strong velocity and looking at the lines next to it I guess the high velocity flow has something to do with the cutouts or rear wheel or possible both together. It would be more interesting to see high resolution flow-viz pictures of the diffuser or brake ducts.
Great site, has little about flow-viz. http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/